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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

I have not heard of Moratorium for turnover anywhere, but moratorium for building new housing is standard practice.

Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good or effective practice.

I agree, I’m tired of people saying, “I got mine”. People can move to West Virginia and not need to worry about building.

I got ‘mine’? What does that even mean?

I got my kids to attend a HS that is overcrowded and will be more overcrowded?

Nobody is saying that there can be NO development. Parents are asking for RESPONSIBLE development.

If the City wants to allow all these additional housing units, then there needs to be arrangements for appropriate infrastructure. Especially schools.

Fine if they want to put in more housing. Not fine to do so when schools are already overcrowded.

If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

Are you serious? You lose 10% in friction cost if you buy and sell. Continue to chose to live here, huh.

Development has already happened before school here and that's why we will be in situation with 400-500 extra kids in RM. It will be insanity to make it even worse.

Yes I’m serious. It sounds like you don’t like the area. You want to stop progress because you have your home. Where will everyone else live at?

Putting 600-700 extra kids in school and making lots of condos is not progress. Progress is keeping the same quality of life or even higher quality of life and accommodating more new citizens.

Wow! At the rates numbers are increasing, it won’t be long and you’ll be estimating every condo has kids in it. The building they’re talking about might bring in another 10 or 20 high schoolers. It’s fine.

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If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

DP.. stop being an a$$. People who live here have a right to voice their opinion and fight over development. If you love development so much why don't you move to Tysons where there is an over abundance of high rises and development.

I want the city to be successful. If you think having a failed town center will help the school then you are dead wrong. It will drop the home values and bring in more FARMS students that have 10 people living in each bedroom and score badly on tests. Low home values will thus bring in many hundreds of new poor students without new building. Allowing the city to continue building in a three block area is hardly going to destroy the schools. You need to get a grip. The town center area discussed is a very small part of the RM cluster.

*While RM is at 56 percentile...*

Anonymous wrote:Got behind on commenting - but I wanted to go back to the complaint that "RM is a bad school - just look at the report card - why would anyone want to move here". I know it's more fun to make broad categorizations especially when they fit your view of the world, but if you really want to understand what is happening, you need to look at the details in the data. RM has two main areas of impact - chronic absenteeism and ESOL students.

RM has ~9% ESOL students and when ESOL 1 students arrive, they are classified as 9th graders, no matter their age. The impact of ESOL students isn't just in the progress towards learning English category. It also hits "on track in 9th grade", "well rounded curriculum beyond HS graduation requirements", "graduation in 4 years", and "proficiency in English". The state should really just break out ESOL students in high school separately and have more appropriate measure for them. This would also prevent masking actual problems with your English speaking students because of a high amount of ESOL students.

Chronic absenteeism is absent 10% or more of school, regardless of whether the absences are excused or not. That's 18 days out of 180, or 4.5 days per quarter. There are a lot of kids out due to being sick, being pulled for doctor's appointments, being pulled early for vacations, staying home for a "mental health day", etc. Sure, there are probably 20-30 kids per grade with extreme absence issues, but the bulk of the chronic absenteeism is from the well-performing students who feel they can afford to miss a day of school here and there. I think this is another bad measure from the state - it should be unexcused absences.

For the majority of students in RM, they have access to a strong academic program and they are very successful with it. This is why people still want to move into the RM cluster. An overlooked group of people who will move into those condos is families experiencing divorce who have older children and teens. One parent keeps the house in a cluster with a less desirable high school, and the other parent moves into a condo in RTC and the kids end up at JW and RM. Part of the projections challenge at RM has been the surprise arrival of high school students that weren't already in the feeder pattern coming from JW or the magnet. I think every fall for the past 5 years has started with ~30-40 more students than were enrolled in June when people leave for the summer. So yes, more building in RTC will generate more students at higher than previously projected rates, and I think those students are biased towards the MS and HS, not ES level.

Rockville high school has higher FARMs and higher ESOL. It doesn't have IB magnets. Still it is at 63 percentile while IB is 56 percentile. Something is not right with RM to be at 56 percentile despite hosting IB magnet.

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

I have not heard of Moratorium for turnover anywhere, but moratorium for building new housing is standard practice.

Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good or effective practice.

I agree, I’m tired of people saying, “I got mine”. People can move to West Virginia and not need to worry about building.

I got ‘mine’? What does that even mean?

I got my kids to attend a HS that is overcrowded and will be more overcrowded?

Nobody is saying that there can be NO development. Parents are asking for RESPONSIBLE development.

If the City wants to allow all these additional housing units, then there needs to be arrangements for appropriate infrastructure. Especially schools.

Fine if they want to put in more housing. Not fine to do so when schools are already overcrowded.

If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

Are you serious? You lose 10% in friction cost if you buy and sell. Continue to chose to live here, huh.

Development has already happened before school here and that's why we will be in situation with 400-500 extra kids in RM. It will be insanity to make it even worse.

Yes I’m serious. It sounds like you don’t like the area. You want to stop progress because you have your home. Where will everyone else live at?

Putting 600-700 extra kids in school and making lots of condos is not progress. Progress is keeping the same quality of life or even higher quality of life and accommodating more new citizens.

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If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

DP.. stop being an a$$. People who live here have a right to voice their opinion and fight over development. If you love development so much why don't you move to Tysons where there is an over abundance of high rises and development.

Got behind on commenting - but I wanted to go back to the complaint that "RM is a bad school - just look at the report card - why would anyone want to move here". I know it's more fun to make broad categorizations especially when they fit your view of the world, but if you really want to understand what is happening, you need to look at the details in the data. RM has two main areas of impact - chronic absenteeism and ESOL students.

RM has ~9% ESOL students and when ESOL 1 students arrive, they are classified as 9th graders, no matter their age. The impact of ESOL students isn't just in the progress towards learning English category. It also hits "on track in 9th grade", "well rounded curriculum beyond HS graduation requirements", "graduation in 4 years", and "proficiency in English". The state should really just break out ESOL students in high school separately and have more appropriate measure for them. This would also prevent masking actual problems with your English speaking students because of a high amount of ESOL students.

Chronic absenteeism is absent 10% or more of school, regardless of whether the absences are excused or not. That's 18 days out of 180, or 4.5 days per quarter. There are a lot of kids out due to being sick, being pulled for doctor's appointments, being pulled early for vacations, staying home for a "mental health day", etc. Sure, there are probably 20-30 kids per grade with extreme absence issues, but the bulk of the chronic absenteeism is from the well-performing students who feel they can afford to miss a day of school here and there. I think this is another bad measure from the state - it should be unexcused absences.

For the majority of students in RM, they have access to a strong academic program and they are very successful with it. This is why people still want to move into the RM cluster. An overlooked group of people who will move into those condos is families experiencing divorce who have older children and teens. One parent keeps the house in a cluster with a less desirable high school, and the other parent moves into a condo in RTC and the kids end up at JW and RM. Part of the projections challenge at RM has been the surprise arrival of high school students that weren't already in the feeder pattern coming from JW or the magnet. I think every fall for the past 5 years has started with ~30-40 more students than were enrolled in June when people leave for the summer. So yes, more building in RTC will generate more students at higher than previously projected rates, and I think those students are biased towards the MS and HS, not ES level.

Anonymous wrote:We live in Rockville and my kids play sports. Through MSI and RBBA and through the City Rec. My DH has coached, and I’ll vouch that field space is extremely limited.

Families want to live here and have room for their kids to play soccer or baseball. Already, the fields are booked and there’s barely enough room for the kids to practice basketball. My DD’s team shared the gym with another team for practice last year, which was not ideal.

We need better facilities before we can accommodate thousands of new residents.

Maybe the city should stop allowing out of city people from reserving the fields in Welsh and Woodlry Garden Parks? I mean, they’re city parks after all. I walk my dog past Welsh Park and see people with DC and VA plates all the time. Way more than you would expect. Then there’s the people that don’t live in the City but live in the County that use the park and don’t pay city taxes.

We live in Rockville and my kids play sports. Through MSI and RBBA and through the City Rec. My DH has coached, and I’ll vouch that field space is extremely limited.

Families want to live here and have room for their kids to play soccer or baseball. Already, the fields are booked and there’s barely enough room for the kids to practice basketball. My DD’s team shared the gym with another team for practice last year, which was not ideal.

We need better facilities before we can accommodate thousands of new residents.

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

I have not heard of Moratorium for turnover anywhere, but moratorium for building new housing is standard practice.

Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good or effective practice.

I agree, I’m tired of people saying, “I got mine”. People can move to West Virginia and not need to worry about building.

I got ‘mine’? What does that even mean?

I got my kids to attend a HS that is overcrowded and will be more overcrowded?

Nobody is saying that there can be NO development. Parents are asking for RESPONSIBLE development.

If the City wants to allow all these additional housing units, then there needs to be arrangements for appropriate infrastructure. Especially schools.

Fine if they want to put in more housing. Not fine to do so when schools are already overcrowded.

If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

Wow! Your comments are astounding. So elitist.

Do you really think an average family can just pick up and move? It may be that simple for you, but many of the families in the RM cluster are middle class. This isn’t an area full of millionaires like Bethesda or Potomac.

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

I have not heard of Moratorium for turnover anywhere, but moratorium for building new housing is standard practice.

Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good or effective practice.

I agree, I’m tired of people saying, “I got mine”. People can move to West Virginia and not need to worry about building.

I got ‘mine’? What does that even mean?

I got my kids to attend a HS that is overcrowded and will be more overcrowded?

Nobody is saying that there can be NO development. Parents are asking for RESPONSIBLE development.

If the City wants to allow all these additional housing units, then there needs to be arrangements for appropriate infrastructure. Especially schools.

Fine if they want to put in more housing. Not fine to do so when schools are already overcrowded.

If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

Are you serious? You lose 10% in friction cost if you buy and sell. Continue to chose to live here, huh.

Development has already happened before school here and that's why we will be in situation with 400-500 extra kids in RM. It will be insanity to make it even worse.

Yes I’m serious. It sounds like you don’t like the area. You want to stop progress because you have your home. Where will everyone else live at?

You seem confused.

Progress is not simply building 2 thousand housing units.

Process is building more housing units, while assuring that the people who move in can enjoy the same standard of living.

Should they make room by moving the IB magnet to a less overcrowded school?

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

I have not heard of Moratorium for turnover anywhere, but moratorium for building new housing is standard practice.

Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good or effective practice.

I agree, I’m tired of people saying, “I got mine”. People can move to West Virginia and not need to worry about building.

I got ‘mine’? What does that even mean?

I got my kids to attend a HS that is overcrowded and will be more overcrowded?

Nobody is saying that there can be NO development. Parents are asking for RESPONSIBLE development.

If the City wants to allow all these additional housing units, then there needs to be arrangements for appropriate infrastructure. Especially schools.

Fine if they want to put in more housing. Not fine to do so when schools are already overcrowded.

If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

Are you serious? You lose 10% in friction cost if you buy and sell. Continue to chose to live here, huh.

Development has already happened before school here and that's why we will be in situation with 400-500 extra kids in RM. It will be insanity to make it even worse.

Yes I’m serious. It sounds like you don’t like the area. You want to stop progress because you have your home. Where will everyone else live at?

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

I have not heard of Moratorium for turnover anywhere, but moratorium for building new housing is standard practice.

Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good or effective practice.

I agree, I’m tired of people saying, “I got mine”. People can move to West Virginia and not need to worry about building.

I got ‘mine’? What does that even mean?

I got my kids to attend a HS that is overcrowded and will be more overcrowded?

Nobody is saying that there can be NO development. Parents are asking for RESPONSIBLE development.

If the City wants to allow all these additional housing units, then there needs to be arrangements for appropriate infrastructure. Especially schools.

Fine if they want to put in more housing. Not fine to do so when schools are already overcrowded.

If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

Are you serious? You lose 10% in friction cost if you buy and sell. Continue to chose to live here, huh.

Development has already happened before school here and that's why we will be in situation with 400-500 extra kids in RM. It will be insanity to make it even worse.

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Based on MCPS previous projections of RM, Umbers should be 150-200 higher than what MCPS is projecting. Within 5 years without building any new condos, we should be around 130%.

OK, then there should be a selling moratorium until the high school at Crown is built, right? No turnover of existing housing until Crown HS opens!

I have not heard of Moratorium for turnover anywhere, but moratorium for building new housing is standard practice.

Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good or effective practice.

I agree, I’m tired of people saying, “I got mine”. People can move to West Virginia and not need to worry about building.

I got ‘mine’? What does that even mean?

I got my kids to attend a HS that is overcrowded and will be more overcrowded?

Nobody is saying that there can be NO development. Parents are asking for RESPONSIBLE development.

If the City wants to allow all these additional housing units, then there needs to be arrangements for appropriate infrastructure. Especially schools.

Fine if they want to put in more housing. Not fine to do so when schools are already overcrowded.

If it’s so bad, why do you stay here with the kids in overcrowded schools? You chose Rockville and you continue to choose to live in Rockville. We don’t need new schools before development. We need more housing for the growing population. Schools can come later. I don’t want people commuting from Frederick because there is no housing here.

I don't know about the PP, but I bought in Rockville in 2012 and city use to have moratorium for building at 110%.

Increasing it to 120% was a huge mistake and now talking about increasing it even more is insanity.

I wish I had a pile of money to simply sell and buy somewhere else, but I don't.