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Anonymous wrote:I'm a black woman--actually, 1/2 Asian too, but I identify as black given how I was raised (predominantly black schools and neighborhoods). While it seems there was some uneven adherence to the rules, it never works for a black person--even Serena Williams--to say that other non-black/males have gotten away with the same behavior. We know that we are conspicuous in predominantly white spaces and will be held to a different standard. A shame, and unfair, but the truth. Bad behavior is never seen as a reflection of an individual simply having a tough moment when the individual in question is black--it becomes an excuse for covert and overt racism.

Take a look at this Australian cartoon, in which the artist chose to portray Serena in the style of the Sambo-style depictions of black people common 100 years ago. Also see how Osaka is portrayed in the same cartoon.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/10/serena-williams-jk-rowling-newspaper-cartoon/

Wow, that is horrible!

Interesting that Osaka is portrayed with blond hair. Also, that she is being asked to "let" Serena win when she is the one who was awarded the extra point and game.

PP here. Yes, I noticed that--I guess he's trying to say that Williams felt entitled to the win.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a black woman--actually, 1/2 Asian too, but I identify as black given how I was raised (predominantly black schools and neighborhoods). While it seems there was some uneven adherence to the rules, it never works for a black person--even Serena Williams--to say that other non-black/males have gotten away with the same behavior. We know that we are conspicuous in predominantly white spaces and will be held to a different standard. A shame, and unfair, but the truth. Bad behavior is never seen as a reflection of an individual simply having a tough moment when the individual in question is black--it becomes an excuse for covert and overt racism.

Take a look at this Australian cartoon, in which the artist chose to portray Serena in the style of the Sambo-style depictions of black people common 100 years ago. Also see how Osaka is portrayed in the same cartoon.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/10/serena-williams-jk-rowling-newspaper-cartoon/

Wow, that is horrible!

Interesting that Osaka is portrayed with blond hair. Also, that she is being asked to "let" Serena win when she is the one who was awarded the extra point and game.

And, no, she did nothing for women or the sport by behaving like that.

Forgive, forget, move on.

If Serena had just yelled at the judge that would have been one thing and she certainly would not have been the first athlete to yell at an ump over a questionable call.

What made Serena's meltdown different is that she continued to yell at a judge and throw a tennis racket after having been warned.

Can you imagine if her opponent had been as equally volatile during that match - screaming at the judge and breaking her own racket? Why not turn it into an outright brawl. After all, men have been known to do that in sports like hockey, right?

Serena is human and lost her temper. That happens. But that extended meltdown that she had was ridiculous and out of line. That is why she is getting so much attention for it.

I wanted to just say to all pps who don't really watch tennis and don't know much about gamesmanship in tennis and mental games. Tennis is often won by playing these games, they are viewed as unethical and used to swing the game in your favor. It is viewed as intimidation technique. And while it is not forbidden, as who is going to decide what is acceptable and what is not, it is used in junior tennis and in pro tennis. Whether Serena did this on purpose, or she just lost her temper, such actions have long been judged in tennis circles. It is in fact known that many juniors win like this, by being nasty to their opponent, and that a better player often loses if he is a nicer kid who can't handle the mental games. Just FYI, this happens in pro tennis all the time too.

That is pretty darn funny! But, Osaka is not that skinny, and I can see why it is inappropriate, but still pretty accurate.

I'm a black woman--actually, 1/2 Asian too, but I identify as black given how I was raised (predominantly black schools and neighborhoods). While it seems there was some uneven adherence to the rules, it never works for a black person--even Serena Williams--to say that other non-black/males have gotten away with the same behavior. We know that we are conspicuous in predominantly white spaces and will be held to a different standard. A shame, and unfair, but the truth. Bad behavior is never seen as a reflection of an individual simply having a tough moment when the individual in question is black--it becomes an excuse for covert and overt racism.

Take a look at this Australian cartoon, in which the artist chose to portray Serena in the style of the Sambo-style depictions of black people common 100 years ago. Also see how Osaka is portrayed in the same cartoon.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/09/10/serena-williams-jk-rowling-newspaper-cartoon/

she probably plays for Japan because she can earn much more money that way. It's a rich country with few big athletes and she will get tons of advertising contracts. Nishikori makes more money than djokovic although he is a recreational player by comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are sour losers!! ALWAYS blame on someone or something!! She lost dumb a$$.

You do realize that Osaka holds American citizenship and has lived in the US for 17 years, while only living in Japan for three years.

I get that she has chosen to play under the Japanese flag, but she is as American as anyone else who is a citizen. You can't take that away from her.

Mom is Japanese, her dad is Haitian

So is then the new young hope of US tennis Frances Tiafoe not American? He plays for the US flag, and was born here but his parents are definitely not US born. Is that what makes the difference that he was born here? Osaka's father moved to US to attend New York University, then to Japan then back to US. I presume he got US citizenship down the road, just as his daughters had. The reason Naomi and her sister play for Japan is that Japan gave them funds for tennis. USTA did not.

I don't get this last comment. Is it a problem that people are pointing out that Naomi Osaka is of Haitian and Japanese ancestry, holds both Japanese and US passports, and spent most of her life growing up in the US? I think it's kind of cool.

In terms of funding, I read that the dad decided to have them play as Japanese. When you say USTA did not fund them, are you saying that they tried to get funding from USTA but were turned down? How is it decided who gets funding and who does not?

I do not have information on her exact case clearly, but generally USTA will take promising young tennis players, and pay for their training. Often they take them young, and most of them end up being a bust. In some articles it says they decided to play for Japan because there was more funding available. There is a long debate in tennis communities that USTA is constantly making the mistake of taking kids who are promising at a younger age and sticking with them. Sadly, very few of these kids ever amount to anything. USTA is criticized on focusing on younger kids, and not recognizing that often it is later on, in later teens that true competitors are found. By then some of these talented kids quit because they have no money for such an expensive sport. As for my comment, I was responding to the comment Naomi is not American, bcs mom is Japanese and Dad is Haitian. But, the fact is that she has US passport, and so she is American, but plays for Japan's flag. So, in terms of person she is American too, in terms of which country she represents she is Japanese. In fact, you could say she is a true citizen of the world, kid of three countries, but the one she grew up in is US. She doesn't speak Japanese, just understands it she said.

^^ men are genetically better at sports, care more about sports and pay more money to the sports industry.

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Anonymous wrote:The New York Times nailed it with this analysis:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/sports/tennis/serena-williams-us-open-equality.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Why should men and women athletes earn the same amount of money? More purple pay more money to watch the men in almost every sport

Should men and women salespeople earn the same amount of money regardless of how many people buy their products?

My only question in tennis would be why women aren’t required to play 5 set matches in grand slam events. Kind of insulting because it implies that women aren’t conditioned to the same level as men.

I want to know why a man can't carry a baby and give birth, too.

Men are biologically unable to carry a baby and give birth. You should've stated in school.

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Anonymous wrote:The New York Times nailed it with this analysis:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/sports/tennis/serena-williams-us-open-equality.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Why should men and women athletes earn the same amount of money? More purple pay more money to watch the men in almost every sport

Should men and women salespeople earn the same amount of money regardless of how many people buy their products?

My only question in tennis would be why women aren’t required to play 5 set matches in grand slam events. Kind of insulting because it implies that women aren’t conditioned to the same level as men.

I want to know why a man can't carry a baby and give birth, too.

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Anonymous wrote:The New York Times nailed it with this analysis:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/sports/tennis/serena-williams-us-open-equality.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Why should men and women athletes earn the same amount of money? More purple pay more money to watch the men in almost every sport

Should men and women salespeople earn the same amount of money regardless of how many people buy their products?

My only question in tennis would be why women aren’t required to play 5 set matches in grand slam events. Kind of insulting because it implies that women aren’t conditioned to the same level as men.

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Anonymous wrote:The New York Times nailed it with this analysis:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/sports/tennis/serena-williams-us-open-equality.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Why should men and women athletes earn the same amount of money? More purple pay more money to watch the men in almost every sport

Should men and women salespeople earn the same amount of money regardless of how many people buy their products?