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Anonymous wrote:Just saw Bethenny is selling her Hamptons home.

This is on top of buying and selling 3 NYC apartments in rapid succession. Why doesn't she settle down and create a HOME for her daughter?

Poor Bryn; hopefully she has some stability on her dad's side, as far as having a stable home goes.

Cycling through homes and friends--Jill, Carole, Sonja, Ramona--is this just Bethenny creating her chaotic childhood and relationship with her mom over and over again?

Considering that her ex is a psycho, probably not. Bethenny's primary home is in NYC. Her Hamptons house is just a vacation home.

You know this how? From Bethenny? Not exactly a credible source.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

She said Carole has no career. Present tense. She didn’t cast further aspersions. I think it’s harsh, but true.

Also she talks about the journalist stuff incessantly well before this.

I do agree what she did was rare and not easy.

She does talk about it incessantly, and does tend to put a bit of a spin on it. Not that they aren't great achievements, but the Emmys she won aren't her own personal ones--she was part of a team. It's like an actress who wins an Emmy for "Best Drama on TV", rather than "Best Actress on Evening Drama". Bit of a difference.

I'm also rather tired of her talking about her late husband, although it pales in comparison to Dorinda (almost called her Dorit--hate both of them). She was married to him for 4 years, and he's been dead for almost twenty. Why does she still have his name at this point? Oh, right, because the Radziwill name is recognizable and important, unlike DiFalco which probably just recalls her working class roots in upstate NY, which she is clearly trying to distance herself from.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

You’re kidding, right? There’s an incredible amount of work and preparation that goes into getting a medical degree. That medical degree, by definition, gives someone the right to call themselves and practice as a doctor for life. That’s what it is.

Being a journalist requires no preparation whatsoever. You can be a journlist without ever having even the easiest college degree. Being a journalist is about what you DO. It’s not about what you’ve done in the past the way being a doctor is.

It’s pretty insulting to real professionals to put journalists on the same level as medical doctors.

And fwiw I don’t think many doctors who move on from medicine still call themselves a doctor anyway. They’d keep it on their resume but most likely refer to themselves as whatever they’re currently doing. I have a PhD in mathematics. However, I’ve moved on, and I don’t refer to myself as a mathematician although I’ve earned the right to do so. That would be weird.

The problem is that Carol has not moved on. She doesn’t do anything. If someone asks about your past then you can tell them, but you can’t go around expecting people to treat you a certain way (not that most people would probably have had a ton of respect for a journalist anyway) when you did it for a few years a lifetime ago and don’t even have aspirations of going back because you know you couldn’t handle it anymore. She needs to wake up and face reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw Bethenny is selling her Hamptons home.

This is on top of buying and selling 3 NYC apartments in rapid succession. Why doesn't she settle down and create a HOME for her daughter?

Poor Bryn; hopefully she has some stability on her dad's side, as far as having a stable home goes.

Cycling through homes and friends--Jill, Carole, Sonja, Ramona--is this just Bethenny creating her chaotic childhood and relationship with her mom over and over again?

Considering that her ex is a psycho, probably not. Bethenny's primary home is in NYC. Her Hamptons house is just a vacation home.

I thought she bought the Hamptons home to flip it. Hopefully she stays in the most recent NYC purchase (the one she was showing Dorinda).

You're right. I was thinking of the other Hamptons house, the one that she showed when she first came back to the show.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw Bethenny is selling her Hamptons home.

This is on top of buying and selling 3 NYC apartments in rapid succession. Why doesn't she settle down and create a HOME for her daughter?

Poor Bryn; hopefully she has some stability on her dad's side, as far as having a stable home goes.

Cycling through homes and friends--Jill, Carole, Sonja, Ramona--is this just Bethenny creating her chaotic childhood and relationship with her mom over and over again?

Considering that her ex is a psycho, probably not. Bethenny's primary home is in NYC. Her Hamptons house is just a vacation home.

I thought she bought the Hamptons home to flip it. Hopefully she stays in the most recent NYC purchase (the one she was showing Dorinda).

Anonymous wrote:Just saw Bethenny is selling her Hamptons home.

This is on top of buying and selling 3 NYC apartments in rapid succession. Why doesn't she settle down and create a HOME for her daughter?

Poor Bryn; hopefully she has some stability on her dad's side, as far as having a stable home goes.

Cycling through homes and friends--Jill, Carole, Sonja, Ramona--is this just Bethenny creating her chaotic childhood and relationship with her mom over and over again?

Considering that her ex is a psycho, probably not. Bethenny's primary home is in NYC. Her Hamptons house is just a vacation home.

Just saw Bethenny is selling her Hamptons home.

This is on top of buying and selling 3 NYC apartments in rapid succession. Why doesn't she settle down and create a HOME for her daughter?

Poor Bryn; hopefully she has some stability on her dad's side, as far as having a stable home goes.

Cycling through homes and friends--Jill, Carole, Sonja, Ramona--is this just Bethenny creating her chaotic childhood and relationship with her mom over and over again?

Anonymous wrote:Carole has also lost credibility by becoming so tight with Tinsley - someone who is a total lightweight and has never had any kind of a career and has nothing interesting or enlightening to say. I keep remembering how Carole bashsed Ramona for no knowing anything about the presidential election and how she didnt want her at her election night party. She basically called Ramona shallow and self-involved and stupid. And now Carole is hanging out wit.... Tinsley??

Carole is an opportunist with delusions of grandeur. Her glory days have long past and she is nothing but a reality show member now.

so true!

I guess Scott is the connection that brought them together.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

She said Carole has no career. Present tense. She didn’t cast further aspersions. I think it’s harsh, but true.

Also she talks about the journalist stuff incessantly well before this.

I do agree what she did was rare and not easy.

Carole has also lost credibility by becoming so tight with Tinsley - someone who is a total lightweight and has never had any kind of a career and has nothing interesting or enlightening to say. I keep remembering how Carole bashsed Ramona for no knowing anything about the presidential election and how she didnt want her at her election night party. She basically called Ramona shallow and self-involved and stupid. And now Carole is hanging out wit.... Tinsley??

Carole is an opportunist with delusions of grandeur. Her glory days have long past and she is nothing but a reality show member now.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Carole should be proud of her achievements HOWEVER why does she have to downplay Bettheny's? It doesn't make sense. Anyone who follows the show KNOWS that Bettheny (as nasty as she is, and she IS nasty) has really done very very well for herself and hustled big time. Her career is major. When Carole discredits Bettheny's career, it only makes Carole look insecure. If she left that part out of her blog, I wouldn't raise my eyebrows as much.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

Well if someone went on national television and said he had no career and implied that he was basically good for nothing/had no business acumen, he might well talk about his experience as a successful CEO, right?

Heart surgery, of course, is more difficult than journalism, but it takes a lot of skill, hard work, perseverance and talent to be a journalist. And to be on the level of Emmy-level nightly network news is truly rare and truly exceptional.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

Yeah, I just don't really agree with this. I think it's a bit pathetic. My spouse founded a company and was the CEO and sold it for many millions about 10 years ago. He doesn't walk around currently referring to himself as a CEO or talking about it all the time. It's the past.

Or the surgeon comparison. No discredit to journalists, but being a heart surgeon is a good deal more difficult and challenging. If I met a heart surgeon who hadn't practiced in over a decade and yet talked about it constantly and referred to it as a present-day career, I would think that person was disconnected from reality.

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I think Carole’s take on the show is I’m above all this and all of you and I’m just dipping into this to have the experience and I’m going to observe and stay above the fray. Because really I’m a journalist/author/serious person, not a reality tv star. Let me remind you 100 times about how I used to have real jobs. A long, long time ago.

I thought she was refreshing in the beginning. Now I’m over her. She completely lacks self-awareness.

+1. Agreed.

I’m the PP who asked if this is her true self and I agree with this assessment. And she stopped working for ABC ~15 years ago. She is no longer a journalist

She's also a novelist. "What Remains" is phenomenal. I didn't read "Widow's Guide," but it was relatively recent. Isn't it pretty typical for writers to publish books at a slow pace?

Plus, what's been on her resume is very impressive. And she's very wealthy. Why can't she do as she pleases? Why can't she do projects that interest her as they come up, and enjoy her life?

She can do whatever she wants. But her journalism career was a long time ago. For a lack of expression, her work experience is no longer relevant. It's like high school football player who keeps talking about his glory days.

Now she's a reality tv star like the rest of them.

OK, I'm a former journalist whose byline appeared in the Washington Post more than 10 years ago. So I don't claim to be a journalist, because my highest pinnacle was a story about condo flipping in WaPo.

Carole is an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning journalist who has traveled the globe to cover stories in war zones. She gets to call herself a journalist for life. That's big time. That's ABC, that's network news in prime time. She can dine out on that for as long as she wants to, and no current or former member of the SPJ will ever say she's not a journalist.

It's like telling someone who hasn't practiced medicine in 10 years that he's no longer a doctor, when he used to be a heart surgeon.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I find odd is how angry Carole is getting about things Bethany said that are basically true.

You are pals with Tinsley.
You have a history of glomming onto one friend.
You are high maintenance.
You don’t have a career.
Bethenny realizes she doesn’t have much in common with you.

I get it Carole doesn’t want to hear these things. But are they so far off the mark?

It's not just what you say, it's how you said it. She said those things in that way to hurt Carole and put her down.

Mission accomplished.

She said those things as the explanation as to why she didn't bring Carole to PR and why they were growing apart on a TV show where she is being asked to explain herself on camera. And she said them very matter-of-factly. And they're all true. In an ideal world, I suppose she should have said all this stuff to Carole's face straight away. But she didn't and again it's a TV show. In real life, it would have been a normal cooling off in a friendship. However, Carole gets to see it all on TV months later. Which I'm sure sucks and feels bad.

However, the stuff Carole has said as the show is airing in her blogs and tweets is personal and genuinely hateful and 10x meaner than anything Bethenny has said.

This was my feeling as well!
She took Bettheny down, and I was trying to figure out why? Was it what Bettheny said about Adam? Carole went after Bettheny with a dagger, and aside from Bettheny usually bitchiness, she didn't do anything g to cause it. I do think she was really hurt that she wasn't brought to Puerto Rico. Maybe she's feeling insecure about her career. Despite what Carole said, Bettheny is having a rock start career.

I am not a fan of Bethenny’s but Carol loses all credibility when she makes comments like this. Bethenny is a highly successful, driven woman. And her career is nowhere near over - although she has the self-made millions for it to be if she so chose.