Anonymous wrote:When Ds finally get control and hand write a medicare for all bill on the back of a cocktail napkin, guess that will be Regular Order and all the Rs will be cool with it.

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Anonymous wrote:And with the repeal of the individual mandate, if that survives the version that comes out of the conference committee, does it spell the death knell of the ACA?

Yes. That's the insurance market death spiral. The whole system topples without the individual mandate.

It wasn't working anyway. Too many young or healthy people were opting out. Most couples in the moderste brackets cannot pay $20,000 with a $12k deductible. This was a scheme to shift the costs - put the burden on the middle income to give care for free to lower income. Obamacare was a much worst hit to middle earner than this tax.

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Anonymous wrote:"Some measures are barely connected to the realm of taxation, such as the lifting of a 1954 ban on political activism by churches and the conferring of a new legal right for fetuses in the House bill — both on the wish list of the evangelical right." - NYT

This is what you get when you vote Republican.

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Anonymous wrote:And with the repeal of the individual mandate, if that survives the version that comes out of the conference committee, does it spell the death knell of the ACA?

Yes. That's the insurance market death spiral. The whole system topples without the individual mandate.

The individual mandate was so weak (enforced through a relatively small penalty) that it was death spiraling anyway. I can choose between $10,0000 in premiums or a penalty of around $1500. And lots of moderate earners are choosing to do the latter. You needed a REAL penalty for not buying in, but that was ruled unconstitutional because you can't force private citizens to buy a private product.

The point was that the R Senators wouldn't vote for it as a stand alone but were fine once it was hidden in the tax bill. Not a lot of political courage there.

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Anonymous wrote:And with the repeal of the individual mandate, if that survives the version that comes out of the conference committee, does it spell the death knell of the ACA?

Yes. That's the insurance market death spiral. The whole system topples without the individual mandate.

The individual mandate was so weak (enforced through a relatively small penalty) that it was death spiraling anyway. I can choose between $10,0000 in premiums or a penalty of around $1500. And lots of moderate earners are choosing to do the latter. You needed a REAL penalty for not buying in, but that was ruled unconstitutional because you can't force private citizens to buy a private product.

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Anonymous wrote:Elections have consequences

That must really have stung when it was first said, eh?

Not the pp you are addressing ........ though I have said the same thing. For me personally, it did not sting a bit because I think Obama was spot on when he said it after the 2008 election. But it works both ways and that is what liberals don't seem to be able to absorb.

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Anonymous wrote:And with the repeal of the individual mandate, if that survives the version that comes out of the conference committee, does it spell the death knell of the ACA?

Yes. That's the insurance market death spiral. The whole system topples without the individual mandate.

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Anonymous wrote:And with the repeal of the individual mandate, if that survives the version that comes out of the conference committee, does it spell the death knell of the ACA?

Yes. That's the insurance market death spiral. The whole system topples without the individual mandate.

The individual mandate was so weak (enforced through a relatively small penalty) that it was death spiraling anyway. I can choose between $10,0000 in premiums or a penalty of around $1500. And lots of moderate earners are choosing to do the latter. You needed a REAL penalty for not buying in, but that was ruled unconstitutional because you can't force private citizens to buy a private product.

Anonymous wrote:"Some measures are barely connected to the realm of taxation, such as the lifting of a 1954 ban on political activism by churches and the conferring of a new legal right for fetuses in the House bill — both on the wish list of the evangelical right." - NYT

This is what you get when you vote Republican.

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Anonymous wrote:When Ds finally get control and hand write a medicare for all bill on the back of a cocktail napkin, guess that will be Regular Order and all the Rs will be cool with it.

When, when, when ........ if Democrats continue to be out of touch with what most of middle America wants, that day will be a long time coming.

I am sure middle America will be happy to have tax-free private aircraft, the ability to pass $11M on to their kids tax free and lowered taxes on their golf courses. That is what they voted for, right?

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Anonymous wrote:And with the repeal of the individual mandate, if that survives the version that comes out of the conference committee, does it spell the death knell of the ACA?

Yes. That's the insurance market death spiral. The whole system topples without the individual mandate.