I'm not sure what the PP was referring to when he referred to the letters of Timothy and Peter as "gruesome." I suspect that he has not actually read them.

2 Peter 1:3-11: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

2nd Timothy 2:22-26: "So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will."

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Is the accuser going to acknowledge these references, continue to defend the accusation or gloss over it or ignore it?

New Testament - some good quotes:

1 Timothy 2:12New International Version (NIV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalm 137:9

Jeremiah 19:9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.'

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Peter 2:18

23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25He went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
2 Kings 2:23

"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 18:22

b/c this one preaches love your brother - as long as your brother stays in the closet

Only Peter and Timothy are new testament -- but they are gruesome enough. Of course, the Old testament is more gruesome-- remember this was Jesus' Dad

Nice job pointing that out -- after somebody else pointed that out first. To paraphrase McCarthy, have you no shame?

Have you never heard of people posting simultaneously?

Simultaneously?!

Your post came 11 minutes after the post pointing out your error. You are the saddest troll ever.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Is the accuser going to acknowledge these references, continue to defend the accusation or gloss over it or ignore it?

New Testament - some good quotes:

1 Timothy 2:12New International Version (NIV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalm 137:9

Jeremiah 19:9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.'

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Peter 2:18

23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25He went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
2 Kings 2:23

"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 18:22

b/c this one preaches love your brother - as long as your brother stays in the closet

Only Peter and Timothy are new testament -- but they are gruesome enough. Of course, the Old testament is more gruesome-- remember this was Jesus' Dad

Nice job pointing that out -- after somebody else pointed that out first. To paraphrase McCarthy, have you no shame?

Have you never heard of people posting simultaneously?

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You've taken that "I come to bring a sword" passage totally out of context. It was completely metaphorical, which a simple Google could have told you immediately, within the first 1-3 search returns. We all know, however, that even basic inquiry is beyond you.

Sorry. You don't have a "gruesome" quote from Jesus., and you won't find one. You just have two letters from two guys who were trying to interpret Jesus for their era but who weren't Jesus. Duh. And a bunch of random stuff from the Old Testament. Duh again. I doubt you're self-aware enough to be embarassed, although you should be.

Of course -- all the uncomfortable stuff in the bible is metaphorical. But the stuff about Jesus being the way to heaven -- that's for real.

How can you tell one from the other? It's a matter of faith.

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I really liked this old post, too. Hey, fair's fair. if you can resurrect (pun intended) old posts and append a bunch of random Old Testament authors that you thought were from the New Testament, then the least I can do for you is bring your BFF Ayn Rand back into the conversation.

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You're a moron - plain and simple.

Zeus was indeed their god before people made the move toward monotheism. Is that too hard for you to understand? When the Romans conquered the Greeks, they moved to Jupiter (and his minions) instead.

Constantine the Great, anyone? He hand picked parts of the bible to increase his power. Furthermore, those ruled have NO choice, as they are now unified under one god.

I'm a lazy thinker? lmfao

I'm the only one providing EVIDENCE to support my point.

You (and your minions) have provided no useful information toward any sane argument defending a belief in god.

Please share your research. I'll be waiting.

It wasn't until the First Council of Nicea (at @325 CE) when these gods were combined into one god.

Hey, all of us can play your game of dredging up old posts. Let's go back to this one, shall we?

Yes, despite your backtracking at 18:01, you DID claim that Nicaea "invented" monitheism. I bolded it for you. Care to try explaining yourself some more?

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Anonymous wrote:

Is the accuser going to acknowledge these references, continue to defend the accusation or gloss over it or ignore it?

New Testament - some good quotes:

1 Timothy 2:12New International Version (NIV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalm 137:9

Jeremiah 19:9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.'

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Peter 2:18

23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25He went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
2 Kings 2:23

"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 18:22

b/c this one preaches love your brother - as long as your brother stays in the closet

Only Peter and Timothy are new testament -- but they are gruesome enough. Of course, the Old testament is more gruesome-- remember this was Jesus' Dad

Nice job pointing that out -- after somebody else pointed that out first. To paraphrase McCarthy, have you no shame?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Is the accuser going to acknowledge these references, continue to defend the accusation or gloss over it or ignore it?

New Testament - some good quotes:

1 Timothy 2:12New International Version (NIV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalm 137:9

Jeremiah 19:9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.'

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Peter 2:18

23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25He went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
2 Kings 2:23

"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 18:22

b/c this one preaches love your brother - as long as your brother stays in the closet

You realize that Psalms, Kings, Leviticus and Jeremiah are the Old Testament not the New, right? Because it sorta looks like you don't have a clue.

Also you realize that Peter and Timothy are actually letters written after Jesus' death, and these letters aren't Jesus' own words, right? Because once again you're coming off as being really ignorant. We worry about you.

The dare was to find anything in the New Testament that was gruesome. That has been done. as for Jesus words, how about Mathew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." pretty gruesome for the Prince of peace.

Troll ploy #36: drag up a very old post to move past the embarrassing discussion that revealed your ignorance about the Council of Nicaea (snicker). Also, you seem to shop for so-called "New Testament" (sic) quotes in exactly the same place that muslim poster did. Hmmm.

You've taken that "I come to bring a sword" passage totally out of context. It was completely metaphorical, which a simple Google could have told you immediately, within the first 1-3 search returns. We all know, however, that even basic inquiry is beyond you.

Sorry. You don't have a "gruesome" quote from Jesus., and you won't find one. You just have two letters from two guys who were trying to interpret Jesus for their era but who weren't Jesus. Duh. And a bunch of random stuff from the Old Testament. Duh again. I doubt you're self-aware enough to be embarassed, although you should be.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp, not entirely true. Brain function doesn't explain how a dead patient heard a conversation down the hall.

Just as the world was once flat, my god-fearing friend, we'll soon understand more and more about the functions of the brain in the near future.

But you can not discount this theory based only on the fact that you haven't another theory of your own to explain it.

Nor can you prove that there's an afterlife based on some NDE person's account of hearing a conversation while dead.

Doing more research, however, is likely to produce more answers as we learn more and more about the brain.

Wait... this sounds like a sort of faith all by itself. Faith that science, and not something divine, will explain all our remaining mysteries like the one PP described.

Yet you have no proof that you're right. Just to be clear, I'm pretty sure that most of us religious folk here follow Darwin et cetera. Yet those remaining mysteries that you're so sure science will eventually answer... Prove it, honey.

Let me be the first to challenge you to prove that science will ultimately explain the example of hearing conversations down the hall. What... you can't prove your own particular faith?

Anonymous wrote:Wow. I have not read all 21 pages. Belief is often based on faith. But for some, belief needs to be based on more than just faith.

I have noticed that there are many atheists who are converting to belief because they had near death experiences. Surgeons are converting for the same reason and because their private conversations were heard and recollected by patients thought to be dead, sometimes often when they were no longer in the room.

Blind people who have near death experiences report vision.

I think near death experiences are changing people's beliefs.

I have noticed there are many people writing things on the internet as those they have actual information about what many people are doing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Is the accuser going to acknowledge these references, continue to defend the accusation or gloss over it or ignore it?

New Testament - some good quotes:

1 Timothy 2:12New International Version (NIV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalm 137:9

Jeremiah 19:9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.'

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Peter 2:18

23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25He went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
2 Kings 2:23

"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 18:22

b/c this one preaches love your brother - as long as your brother stays in the closet

You realize that Psalms, Kings, Leviticus and Jeremiah are the Old Testament not the New, right? Because it sorta looks like you don't have a clue.

Also you realize that Peter and Timothy are actually letters written after Jesus' death, and these letters aren't Jesus' own words, right? Because once again you're coming off as being really ignorant. We worry about you.

The dare was to find anything in the New Testament that was gruesome. That has been done. as for Jesus words, how about Mathew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." pretty gruesome for the Prince of peace.

Anonymous wrote:

Is the accuser going to acknowledge these references, continue to defend the accusation or gloss over it or ignore it?

New Testament - some good quotes:

1 Timothy 2:12New International Version (NIV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalm 137:9

Jeremiah 19:9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.'

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Peter 2:18

23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25He went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
2 Kings 2:23

"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 18:22

b/c this one preaches love your brother - as long as your brother stays in the closet

Only Peter and Timothy are new testament -- but they are gruesome enough. Of course, the Old testament is more gruesome-- remember this was Jesus' Dad

Anonymous wrote:

Is the accuser going to acknowledge these references, continue to defend the accusation or gloss over it or ignore it?

New Testament - some good quotes:

1 Timothy 2:12New International Version (NIV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalm 137:9

Jeremiah 19:9
I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.'

Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
1 Peter 2:18

23Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25He went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
2 Kings 2:23

"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 18:22

b/c this one preaches love your brother - as long as your brother stays in the closet

You realize that Psalms, Kings, Leviticus and Jeremiah are the Old Testament not the New, right? Because it sorta looks like you don't have a clue.

Also you realize that Peter and Timothy are actually letters written after Jesus' death, and these letters aren't Jesus' own words, right? Because once again you're coming off as being really ignorant. We worry about you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp, not entirely true. Brain function doesn't explain how a dead patient heard a conversation down the hall.

Just as the world was once flat, my god-fearing friend, we'll soon understand more and more about the functions of the brain in the near future.

But you can not discount this theory based only on the fact that you haven't another theory of your own to explain it.

Nor can you prove that there's an afterlife based on some NDE person's account of hearing a conversation while dead.

Doing more research, however, is likely to produce more answers as we learn more and more about the brain.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp, not entirely true. Brain function doesn't explain how a dead patient heard a conversation down the hall.

Just as the world was once flat, my god-fearing friend, we'll soon understand more and more about the functions of the brain in the near future.

But you can not discount this theory based only on the fact that you haven't another theory of your own to explain it.