Anonymous wrote:

so you're saying that someone can prep for an intelligence test?

No one can prep for an intelligence, IQ or aptitude test. Intelligence is fixed. You can't have more than your parents gave you. It's like fat and obesity. Fixed.

so you're saying that someone can prep for an intelligence test?

Our hockey, baseball, swimming, and Taekwondo teams all offer private lessons. Where do you live? Not around Reston that's for sure....

Real IQ tests are individually administered. They interact, ask questions and observe the person taking the test. The people giving it are well trained in spotting kids that have been prepped. The CogAT is a group test, no individual attention is given and thus is MUCH easier to prep for.

Anonymous wrote:
And I don't know of kids around here with private sports coaches. The kids I know play on a high school or community league teams and have one or a few coaches for the entire team. Middle schools don't have sports here, so that age group plays on community leagues that their parents pay for, but I would not consider that private, one-on-one coaching. Many of those coaches are parent volunteers.

Dance and gymnastics are through independent studios or gyms, where kids are part of a class or a team. I see a lot of kids with private teachers for their musical instruments, but I believe that is pretty standard for music lessons.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I have never hired a tutor for my child. There are tutors in FCPS, but I think it is a minority of people that do that.

Is this true for SAT and ACT prep services for your children in preparation for College. You forgot to answer my question -- you artful dodger cuty pie.

And I am not equating prep for the SAT, which is largely vocabulary for college-bound HS students to a general test given to 7 year olds that is to measure intelligence. SAT is supposed to measure the likelyhood of success in college. CogAT measures the inate ability of a 7 yo. Different things, different strategies.

But then, I must be privaliged, as I am multigenerational american. And worse, I am Jewish. So I do not have to work, nor does my kid. Things are handed to me.

Source please. The CogAt is to measure intelligence? I thought one couldn't prep for an intelligence test; if so, what's the big problem with letting people waste their time prepping?

fine, but some poster keeps saying it is supposed to measure intelligence, raw intelligence etc.
The CogAt is not an intelligence test. It's simply a test of reasoning ability. Kids who score high on the CogAt are not necessarily any smarter than those who don't.

The CogAT is not an Intelligence test. But FCPS is using as a proxy for intelligence, as they have no better measure that is affordable. The CogAT scores should scale with intelligence, but also be impacted by other factors, such as prep. That is why fcps does not want prep: it makes the CogAT less reliable in measuring Intelligence.

(I am the poster that said it is being used as an intelligence test).

so you're saying that someone can prep for an intelligence test?

Anonymous wrote:
so you're saying that someone can prep for an intelligence test?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I have never hired a tutor for my child. There are tutors in FCPS, but I think it is a minority of people that do that.

Is this true for SAT and ACT prep services for your children in preparation for College. You forgot to answer my question -- you artful dodger cuty pie.

And I am not equating prep for the SAT, which is largely vocabulary for college-bound HS students to a general test given to 7 year olds that is to measure intelligence. SAT is supposed to measure the likelyhood of success in college. CogAT measures the inate ability of a 7 yo. Different things, different strategies.

But then, I must be privaliged, as I am multigenerational american. And worse, I am Jewish. So I do not have to work, nor does my kid. Things are handed to me.

Source please. The CogAt is to measure intelligence? I thought one couldn't prep for an intelligence test; if so, what's the big problem with letting people waste their time prepping?

fine, but some poster keeps saying it is supposed to measure intelligence, raw intelligence etc.
The CogAt is not an intelligence test. It's simply a test of reasoning ability. Kids who score high on the CogAt are not necessarily any smarter than those who don't.

The CogAT is not an Intelligence test. But FCPS is using as a proxy for intelligence, as they have no better measure that is affordable. The CogAT scores should scale with intelligence, but also be impacted by other factors, such as prep. That is why fcps does not want prep: it makes the CogAT less reliable in measuring Intelligence.

(I am the poster that said it is being used as an intelligence test).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I have never hired a tutor for my child. There are tutors in FCPS, but I think it is a minority of people that do that.

Is this true for SAT and ACT prep services for your children in preparation for College. You forgot to answer my question -- you artful dodger cuty pie.

And I am not equating prep for the SAT, which is largely vocabulary for college-bound HS students to a general test given to 7 year olds that is to measure intelligence. SAT is supposed to measure the likelyhood of success in college. CogAT measures the inate ability of a 7 yo. Different things, different strategies.

But then, I must be privaliged, as I am multigenerational american. And worse, I am Jewish. So I do not have to work, nor does my kid. Things are handed to me.

Source please. The CogAt is to measure intelligence? I thought one couldn't prep for an intelligence test; if so, what's the big problem with letting people waste their time prepping?

fine, but some poster keeps saying it is supposed to measure intelligence, raw intelligence etc.
The CogAt is not an intelligence test. It's simply a test of reasoning ability. Kids who score high on the CogAt are not necessarily any smarter than those who don't.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I have never hired a tutor for my child. There are tutors in FCPS, but I think it is a minority of people that do that.

Is this true for SAT and ACT prep services for your children in preparation for College. You forgot to answer my question -- you artful dodger cuty pie.

And I am not equating prep for the SAT, which is largely vocabulary for college-bound HS students to a general test given to 7 year olds that is to measure intelligence. SAT is supposed to measure the likelyhood of success in college. CogAT measures the inate ability of a 7 yo. Different things, different strategies.

But then, I must be privaliged, as I am multigenerational american. And worse, I am Jewish. So I do not have to work, nor does my kid. Things are handed to me.

Source please. The CogAt is to measure intelligence? I thought one couldn't prep for an intelligence test; if so, what's the big problem with letting people waste their time prepping?

fine, but some poster keeps saying it is supposed to measure intelligence, raw intelligence etc.
The CogAt is not an intelligence test. It's simply a test of reasoning ability. Kids who score high on the CogAt are not necessarily any smarter than those who don't.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I have never hired a tutor for my child. There are tutors in FCPS, but I think it is a minority of people that do that.

Is this true for SAT and ACT prep services for your children in preparation for College. You forgot to answer my question -- you artful dodger cuty pie.

And I am not equating prep for the SAT, which is largely vocabulary for college-bound HS students to a general test given to 7 year olds that is to measure intelligence. SAT is supposed to measure the likelyhood of success in college. CogAT measures the inate ability of a 7 yo. Different things, different strategies.

But then, I must be privaliged, as I am multigenerational american. And worse, I am Jewish. So I do not have to work, nor does my kid. Things are handed to me.

Source please. The CogAt is to measure intelligence? I thought one couldn't prep for an intelligence test; if so, what's the big problem with letting people waste their time prepping?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like it could be just another data point to keep in mind. It would be interesting when the scores come back to know who had seen the questions before and might be helpful in evaluating what the scores mean.

If I were a researcher in this field, I think it would be interesting to do a study comparing test scores and GBRS scores of kids who had prepped for the test and then see a similar comparison of the scores of kids who take the test without test prep. A study like that would be useful to the school district in deciding whether these scores are reliable in identifying which kids need which programs.

Anonymous wrote:

We don't really care in this context because that is not what this discussion is about. Here, again, is a description of the thread topic:

You are categorically dead wrong. Title of this thread reads: AAP: "Bad news for test prep parents". Therefore, the distinction between an ability and an aptitude test may be pertinent to the issue of test prep.

We get it. You are obviously enamored with yourself hence the repeated self-reference.

Thread Topic: AAP: "Bad News for Test Prep Parents"