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Anonymous wrote:I just found out if you pupil place your child at the high school when the boundary changes take place (like you may if an older sibling already goes there and is grandfathered), they wouldn't be allowed to participate in any VHSL activities for one year. This is horrible for rising freshman who want to stay at the same school as an older sibling for the year 2027-2028 which is when the boundary changes take place.

There is a workaround process. There is a form, they just want to ensure transfers aren’t happening just to get kids on better teams or whatever. This will not impact typical athletes transferring from IB to AP schools for example.

New rules passed this year that prevent that. If you are attending a public school that is not your base school, you sit a year. Private school kids moving into public school for HS have to attend the base school associated with their address and not pupil place to a different school or they sit. Kids transfering for IB or AP will sit out a year. The exceptions are places like TJ.

So yes, a kid who is affected by the boundary change needs to attend the new school or sit a year. People are calling it the Hayfield rule.

Again, interested posters should read the FCPS materials linked to above. You are posting misinformation.

This! Read the information yourself. Don't rely on DCUM. I understood that a placement for IB or AP does not require a sit out, but read it yourself.

Oakton to Chantilly is AP to AP. The only way they could pupil place is for the specialized STEM Academy programs at Chantilly and then their daughter would have to take those classes in order to stay at Chantilly.

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Anonymous wrote:We are not at risk of moving to Skyview. But we are at risk of being moved out of Chantilly HS because it’s in 2/3 of the scenarios. This worries me as my oldest will be a senior and grandfathered in. If I pupil place my youngest at Chantilly, they would not be eligible for any VHSL activities for an entire year. This puts them at a great disadvantage. It would also be a huge burden to our family to have siblings at two different schools. What do we do??

How is it a burden to have kids at different schools for one year? They take the bus or walk to school. Regardless of the school. It is one year where you might have to go to some events at two schools. A pain in the butt, sure. A huge burden? Not really.

And your youngest can’t play sports or any other activity that VHSL runs, like theatre. Are you going to punish your youngest so you don’t have to split time between schools for a year? What joint activities are there? You can send one parent to one open house and another parents to the other. Hopefully there isn’t a lot of overlap between events.

I happen to know for a fact there is. And my husband cannot attend daytime events as he works so sending one parent to one event and another to the other doesn’t always work. We are a Chantilly family. The commute to Oakton would be a huge burden on our family. Having kids at two different high schools won’t work.

Moving kids from Chantilly to Oakton is stupid, I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. You will have one year where you might have to decide what event to go to. I wonder how often you actually have to go to school during the day, we have an 8th grader and I have been to the MS for one event after school. I can’t imagine that I am going to be going to the HS for many events during the day. After school events, probably some but not that many, sports events if he makes the team.

I would be miffed that they are moving my kid that distance away because they are violating one of the basic factors that they had in the process, decreasing commute times. I doubt that they are going to move your kids school to Oakton because it is too ludicrous. If they do, then you have to decide to deal with two kids at two schools for a year or to sacrifice your youngest opportunities freshman year. And yes, it would suck to be in that position.

I am assuming that your ES has written all the school board reps and Dr. Reid to complain about this?

What's the rationale behind moving that part of Chantilly to Oakton? I don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:We are not at risk of moving to Skyview. But we are at risk of being moved out of Chantilly HS because it’s in 2/3 of the scenarios. This worries me as my oldest will be a senior and grandfathered in. If I pupil place my youngest at Chantilly, they would not be eligible for any VHSL activities for an entire year. This puts them at a great disadvantage. It would also be a huge burden to our family to have siblings at two different schools. What do we do??

How is it a burden to have kids at different schools for one year? They take the bus or walk to school. Regardless of the school. It is one year where you might have to go to some events at two schools. A pain in the butt, sure. A huge burden? Not really.

And your youngest can’t play sports or any other activity that VHSL runs, like theatre. Are you going to punish your youngest so you don’t have to split time between schools for a year? What joint activities are there? You can send one parent to one open house and another parents to the other. Hopefully there isn’t a lot of overlap between events.

I happen to know for a fact there is. And my husband cannot attend daytime events as he works so sending one parent to one event and another to the other doesn’t always work. We are a Chantilly family. The commute to Oakton would be a huge burden on our family. Having kids at two different high schools won’t work.

Even when your kids are in the same high school, there can be conflicts. I cannot imagine how difficult it would be to have them in two different high schools. But, i can't imagine why FCPS would move a neighborhood that is walkable to another school.

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How is it a burden to have kids at different schools for one year? They take the bus or walk to school. Regardless of the school. It is one year where you might have to go to some events at two schools. A pain in the butt, sure. A huge burden? Not really.

And your youngest can’t play sports or any other activity that VHSL runs, like theatre. Are you going to punish your youngest so you don’t have to split time between schools for a year? What joint activities are there? You can send one parent to one open house and another parents to the other. Hopefully there isn’t a lot of overlap between events.

They wouldn’t be able to walk to the new school. They are proposing to move us to Oakton HS from Chantilly, almost tripling or quadrupling our commute time.

I think that just applies to competition. Your child would be able to participate in theater. There are some exceptionsi, but again, read the information yourself.

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There is a workaround process. There is a form, they just want to ensure transfers aren’t happening just to get kids on better teams or whatever. This will not impact typical athletes transferring from IB to AP schools for example.

New rules passed this year that prevent that. If you are attending a public school that is not your base school, you sit a year. Private school kids moving into public school for HS have to attend the base school associated with their address and not pupil place to a different school or they sit. Kids transfering for IB or AP will sit out a year. The exceptions are places like TJ.

So yes, a kid who is affected by the boundary change needs to attend the new school or sit a year. People are calling it the Hayfield rule.

Again, interested posters should read the FCPS materials linked to above. You are posting misinformation.

This! Read the information yourself. Don't rely on DCUM. I understood that a placement for IB or AP does not require a sit out, but read it yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:We are not at risk of moving to Skyview. But we are at risk of being moved out of Chantilly HS because it’s in 2/3 of the scenarios. This worries me as my oldest will be a senior and grandfathered in. If I pupil place my youngest at Chantilly, they would not be eligible for any VHSL activities for an entire year. This puts them at a great disadvantage. It would also be a huge burden to our family to have siblings at two different schools. What do we do??

How is it a burden to have kids at different schools for one year? They take the bus or walk to school. Regardless of the school. It is one year where you might have to go to some events at two schools. A pain in the butt, sure. A huge burden? Not really.

And your youngest can’t play sports or any other activity that VHSL runs, like theatre. Are you going to punish your youngest so you don’t have to split time between schools for a year? What joint activities are there? You can send one parent to one open house and another parents to the other. Hopefully there isn’t a lot of overlap between events.

I happen to know for a fact there is. And my husband cannot attend daytime events as he works so sending one parent to one event and another to the other doesn’t always work. We are a Chantilly family. The commute to Oakton would be a huge burden on our family. Having kids at two different high schools won’t work.

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Anonymous wrote:We are not at risk of moving to Skyview. But we are at risk of being moved out of Chantilly HS because it’s in 2/3 of the scenarios. This worries me as my oldest will be a senior and grandfathered in. If I pupil place my youngest at Chantilly, they would not be eligible for any VHSL activities for an entire year. This puts them at a great disadvantage. It would also be a huge burden to our family to have siblings at two different schools. What do we do??

How is it a burden to have kids at different schools for one year? They take the bus or walk to school. Regardless of the school. It is one year where you might have to go to some events at two schools. A pain in the butt, sure. A huge burden? Not really.

And your youngest can’t play sports or any other activity that VHSL runs, like theatre. Are you going to punish your youngest so you don’t have to split time between schools for a year? What joint activities are there? You can send one parent to one open house and another parents to the other. Hopefully there isn’t a lot of overlap between events.

They wouldn’t be able to walk to the new school. They are proposing to move us to Oakton HS from Chantilly, almost tripling or quadrupling our commute time.

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Anonymous wrote:So now siblings are punished? Their older sibling will be a senior grandfathered in during the 2027-2028 school year and the younger sibling will be expected to start a new school so we have two siblings at different high schools? That’s ridiculous and places an unfair burden on us. But if we pupil place the younger sibling at the older sibling’s school they will have to sit out of any VHSL sport for one year? That’s unfair!

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If my student may stay at the current school under the phasing policy, and a sibling placement is requested for a new or future 9th grader, will the sibling be eligible for VHSL athletics and activities?

No, sibling placement through the FCPS Office of Student Registration does not satisfy the VHSL Transfer rule, or meet a condition for an exception or waiver of the rule. The sibling will be ineligible for a period of 365 calendar days, beginning with the first day of school next year.

DP, but keep in mind that VHSL doesn't just control sports, for all of you who don't care about the athletes. It also encompasses things like theater and robotics. It's a problem for a lot of kids.

Maybe Hayfield should not have developed such a culture of blatant cheating. The aftermath creates issues for a lot of others.

Or maybe VHSL should stop with always adding rigid rules that hurt all students when they should just focus on preventing recruiting. Seriously, look at their Handbook. They put an enormous burden on all students except apparently those who actually cheat.

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Anonymous wrote:Was there a reason given for Lees Corner getting super special treatment? Does a SB member live there?

I wondered this too, they capitulated so fast and made the promise so quickly it certainly seemed like a personal favor. There was no logical reason to single out that one neighborhood as more important than any other area.

It is the closest one to Chantilly, that's literally why they picked it and not your neighborhood. Sorry you live further away from Chantilly, but that's just how it works.

Didn't they pick Lees Corner to move because it was the closest neighborhood to Westfield from an overcrowded school?

No, it’s Brookfield and Poplar Tree are closer. There’s no logical reason they proposed Lees Corner to move

Per google maps, Lees Corner ES is 4.3 miles and Brookfield ES is 4.2 miles. That's pretty much identical. They are equally close. Poplar tree es is farther: 5.3 miles. Why do you keep repeating that Poplar Tree is closer? I'm baffled.

Pretty obvious they just picked one of the two identically closest ESes. No other elementary school is closer to Westfield that doesn't already go there (besides that sliver of Cub Run which will for sure be moved.)

DP, and don't live in either area. Lees Corner would be isolated from the rest of Westfield as the only school north of 50 and east of the airport. Brookfield and Poplar Tree are both right up against the existing Westfield neighborhoods. So is Bull Run. The fact that you can't look at the map and acknowledge that all 3 of those zones are better fits for Westfield than Lees Corner shows your bias along with a healthy dose of cognitive dissonance.

I can't figure out how this fact is relevant. Road miles traveled is miles traveled, regardless of whether you are crossing route 50 or where the airport is (all these neighborhoods are south of the airport). LC is MUCH closer than PT and BRES and tied with Brookfield. So either LC or Brookfield makes the most sense if what we care about it decreasing the distances traveled to a school (by ALL the kids attending the school, not just your kids.

I'm not sure why you are so angry when your neighborhood was singled out and protected by the SB members despite its obvious choice as a candidate for rezoning.

PP who does not understand that it is relevant whether or not the neighborhood is connected to other neighborhoods has likely not had a high school child.

When kids reach high school, one would hope and expect that they would increase their "friend group." If friends are also separated from other neighborhoods as well as the school that becomes very difficult. Need a ride home from an activity? Hard to find or carpool if everyone else lives in a different direction.

It is extremely important that the neighborhoods be contiguous. Lee's Corner neighborhoods would not be contiguous to any other neighborhoods attending Westfield. That is significant.

Of all the dumb arguments, this is the dumbest.

And, incorrect. Lees Corner is "contiguous" with the Westfield border in the area over by Walmart, and the entire western side of the Lees Corner border . Meaning, the borders touch each other. Lees Corner is also boundaried by Route 50 on one side and a huge commercial area on the other side. Its not some bucolic wonderland where high school students skip along to their friends houses in other ES zones. This argument is completely nonsensical. I don't care if they move her kids school or not, but don't insult us with fake facts.

Chantilly is walking distance from Lee's Corner.
Brookfield is walking distance. (Chantilly)
Greenbriar is walking distance. (Chantilly)
Navy kids are walking distance. (Chantilly)

And, again, no one lives in the Westfield area that is contiguous with Lee's Corner.

The Westfield boundaries that are next to Lee's Corner are industrial and commercial.

Defend your own neighborhood. Don't defend it by moving others. Give the reasons your neighborhood should not move.

You keep changing your story. Boundaries are either contiguous, or not. Where stores and houses are located is irrelevant.
My neighborhood won't be moved either way, but you are really making me root against Lees Corner.

Everyone zoned to Chantilly is walking distance to Chantilly. Doesn't change the fact that your neighborhood one of the two closest neighborhoods to Westfield as well.

No. Everyone zoned to Chantilly is close, but not walking distance. Many in Lee's Corner are walking distance. And, I don't live in Lee's Corner boundary. I just know it would be wrong to move them.

Every school has walkers to Chantilly. Every school has bus riders to Chantilly. Make sense? Maybe prioritize walkers first and go from there?

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Anonymous wrote:Was there a reason given for Lees Corner getting super special treatment? Does a SB member live there?

I wondered this too, they capitulated so fast and made the promise so quickly it certainly seemed like a personal favor. There was no logical reason to single out that one neighborhood as more important than any other area.

It is the closest one to Chantilly, that's literally why they picked it and not your neighborhood. Sorry you live further away from Chantilly, but that's just how it works.

Didn't they pick Lees Corner to move because it was the closest neighborhood to Westfield from an overcrowded school?

No, it’s Brookfield and Poplar Tree are closer. There’s no logical reason they proposed Lees Corner to move

Per google maps, Lees Corner ES is 4.3 miles and Brookfield ES is 4.2 miles. That's pretty much identical. They are equally close. Poplar tree es is farther: 5.3 miles. Why do you keep repeating that Poplar Tree is closer? I'm baffled.

Pretty obvious they just picked one of the two identically closest ESes. No other elementary school is closer to Westfield that doesn't already go there (besides that sliver of Cub Run which will for sure be moved.)

DP, and don't live in either area. Lees Corner would be isolated from the rest of Westfield as the only school north of 50 and east of the airport. Brookfield and Poplar Tree are both right up against the existing Westfield neighborhoods. So is Bull Run. The fact that you can't look at the map and acknowledge that all 3 of those zones are better fits for Westfield than Lees Corner shows your bias along with a healthy dose of cognitive dissonance.

I can't figure out how this fact is relevant. Road miles traveled is miles traveled, regardless of whether you are crossing route 50 or where the airport is (all these neighborhoods are south of the airport). LC is MUCH closer than PT and BRES and tied with Brookfield. So either LC or Brookfield makes the most sense if what we care about it decreasing the distances traveled to a school (by ALL the kids attending the school, not just your kids.

I'm not sure why you are so angry when your neighborhood was singled out and protected by the SB members despite its obvious choice as a candidate for rezoning.

PP who does not understand that it is relevant whether or not the neighborhood is connected to other neighborhoods has likely not had a high school child.

When kids reach high school, one would hope and expect that they would increase their "friend group." If friends are also separated from other neighborhoods as well as the school that becomes very difficult. Need a ride home from an activity? Hard to find or carpool if everyone else lives in a different direction.

It is extremely important that the neighborhoods be contiguous. Lee's Corner neighborhoods would not be contiguous to any other neighborhoods attending Westfield. That is significant.

Of all the dumb arguments, this is the dumbest.

And, incorrect. Lees Corner is "contiguous" with the Westfield border in the area over by Walmart, and the entire western side of the Lees Corner border . Meaning, the borders touch each other. Lees Corner is also boundaried by Route 50 on one side and a huge commercial area on the other side. Its not some bucolic wonderland where high school students skip along to their friends houses in other ES zones. This argument is completely nonsensical. I don't care if they move her kids school or not, but don't insult us with fake facts.

Chantilly is walking distance from Lee's Corner.
Brookfield is walking distance. (Chantilly)
Greenbriar is walking distance. (Chantilly)
Navy kids are walking distance. (Chantilly)

And, again, no one lives in the Westfield area that is contiguous with Lee's Corner.

The Westfield boundaries that are next to Lee's Corner are industrial and commercial.

Defend your own neighborhood. Don't defend it by moving others. Give the reasons your neighborhood should not move.

You keep changing your story. Boundaries are either contiguous, or not. Where stores and houses are located is irrelevant.
My neighborhood won't be moved either way, but you are really making me root against Lees Corner.

Everyone zoned to Chantilly is walking distance to Chantilly. Doesn't change the fact that your neighborhood one of the two closest neighborhoods to Westfield as well.

No. Everyone zoned to Chantilly is close, but not walking distance. Many in Lee's Corner are walking distance. And, I don't live in Lee's Corner boundary. I just know it would be wrong to move them.

Anonymous wrote:We are not at risk of moving to Skyview. But we are at risk of being moved out of Chantilly HS because it’s in 2/3 of the scenarios. This worries me as my oldest will be a senior and grandfathered in. If I pupil place my youngest at Chantilly, they would not be eligible for any VHSL activities for an entire year. This puts them at a great disadvantage. It would also be a huge burden to our family to have siblings at two different schools. What do we do??

How is it a burden to have kids at different schools for one year? They take the bus or walk to school. Regardless of the school. It is one year where you might have to go to some events at two schools. A pain in the butt, sure. A huge burden? Not really.

And your youngest can’t play sports or any other activity that VHSL runs, like theatre. Are you going to punish your youngest so you don’t have to split time between schools for a year? What joint activities are there? You can send one parent to one open house and another parents to the other. Hopefully there isn’t a lot of overlap between events.

We are not at risk of moving to Skyview. But we are at risk of being moved out of Chantilly HS because it’s in 2/3 of the scenarios. This worries me as my oldest will be a senior and grandfathered in. If I pupil place my youngest at Chantilly, they would not be eligible for any VHSL activities for an entire year. This puts them at a great disadvantage. It would also be a huge burden to our family to have siblings at two different schools. What do we do??

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Anonymous wrote:Highland Oaks has been proposed to move from Chantilly to Oakton. Does anyone think that makes sense? They are also in walking distance of Chantilly.

I live in Highland Oaks and I’d prefer to stick with the rest of the ES community, whether it’s feeding into Chantilly or Oakton. I don’t care, they’re both great schools. It’s sad that 90% of Navy goes to Oakton except for this little sliver of communities off of RT 50.

Tell me you don’t have a high schooler without telling me you don’t have a high schooler. The commute to Oakton is brutal and would be very difficult once your kid has after school activities/evening events. Navy Chantilly Moms are very happy with Chantilly and their short commute.

Meh. The rest of the Navy community doesn’t seem to mind it. In fact they’re sending out school-wide communications to unite messaging to stick with Oakton. So this Navy Chantilly parent is sticking with my original position. I would rather stay with the community, whichever direction they put us.

The emails from Navy are basically asking people to comment on the boundary tool and asking to preserve the current boundaries. I don't think it's about everyone wanting Oakton so much as not splitting up the Navy community, which all three scenarios do just in different ways. The proposal to move some Navy kids to Crossfield seems off the table for now. But there's still the weird Navy to Rocky Run to Oakton proposal. And I guess some are upset about being moved from Oakton to Chantilly, though I think that's not such a bad change especially since some Navy kids already go there. They should just unify around the Rocky Run scenario not making any sense.

The only reason they moved some of Navy to Rocky Run is because Crossfield now has taken over Franklin in all 3 scenarios. And the only reason Crossfield wants Franklin is so they can avoid Skyview and remain at a Oakton permanently, even though they are literally the furthest from Oakton and one of the closest to Skyview. They should be going to Skyview period.

Not really. Part of the Navy goes to Chantilly, and Rocky Run is the feeder middle school for Chantilly.

Plus, Oak Hill will leave Franklin and Franklin need students as a result.

Rocky Run is a better middle school than Franklin.

Yes really. Franklin MS is currently a feeder to only Oakton HS and Chantilly HS. It’s a great way for Navy Chantilly kids to meet other Chantilly HS kids. Lees Corner ES goes to Franklin MS and feeds into Chantilly HS. If Navy Chantilly kids get put at Rocky Run MS they lose out on meeting the Lees Corner kids as well as other kids going to Chantilly HS. Rocky Run is an AAP center so splits to more high schools than just Oakton and Chantilly.

My kids went to Rocky Run. Almost the entire population moved on with them to CHS. I would say at least 85%.

And it will be even more with Oak Hill taken out of the mix. Really they should just figure out who goes to Rocky Run and then due to proximity to Chantilly, that's who goes to Chantilly. Maybe that puts half of Lees corner at Rocky Run/Chantilly and half at Franklin/Skyview? So on and so forth for the rest of the middle schools. I don't understand the whole idea of making HS boundaries based on elementary because the math doesn't math in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:Was there a reason given for Lees Corner getting super special treatment? Does a SB member live there?

I wondered this too, they capitulated so fast and made the promise so quickly it certainly seemed like a personal favor. There was no logical reason to single out that one neighborhood as more important than any other area.

It is the closest one to Chantilly, that's literally why they picked it and not your neighborhood. Sorry you live further away from Chantilly, but that's just how it works.

Didn't they pick Lees Corner to move because it was the closest neighborhood to Westfield from an overcrowded school?

No, it’s Brookfield and Poplar Tree are closer. There’s no logical reason they proposed Lees Corner to move

Per google maps, Lees Corner ES is 4.3 miles and Brookfield ES is 4.2 miles. That's pretty much identical. They are equally close. Poplar tree es is farther: 5.3 miles. Why do you keep repeating that Poplar Tree is closer? I'm baffled.

Pretty obvious they just picked one of the two identically closest ESes. No other elementary school is closer to Westfield that doesn't already go there (besides that sliver of Cub Run which will for sure be moved.)

DP, and don't live in either area. Lees Corner would be isolated from the rest of Westfield as the only school north of 50 and east of the airport. Brookfield and Poplar Tree are both right up against the existing Westfield neighborhoods. So is Bull Run. The fact that you can't look at the map and acknowledge that all 3 of those zones are better fits for Westfield than Lees Corner shows your bias along with a healthy dose of cognitive dissonance.

I can't figure out how this fact is relevant. Road miles traveled is miles traveled, regardless of whether you are crossing route 50 or where the airport is (all these neighborhoods are south of the airport). LC is MUCH closer than PT and BRES and tied with Brookfield. So either LC or Brookfield makes the most sense if what we care about it decreasing the distances traveled to a school (by ALL the kids attending the school, not just your kids.

I'm not sure why you are so angry when your neighborhood was singled out and protected by the SB members despite its obvious choice as a candidate for rezoning.

PP who does not understand that it is relevant whether or not the neighborhood is connected to other neighborhoods has likely not had a high school child.

When kids reach high school, one would hope and expect that they would increase their "friend group." If friends are also separated from other neighborhoods as well as the school that becomes very difficult. Need a ride home from an activity? Hard to find or carpool if everyone else lives in a different direction.

It is extremely important that the neighborhoods be contiguous. Lee's Corner neighborhoods would not be contiguous to any other neighborhoods attending Westfield. That is significant.

Of all the dumb arguments, this is the dumbest.

And, incorrect. Lees Corner is "contiguous" with the Westfield border in the area over by Walmart, and the entire western side of the Lees Corner border . Meaning, the borders touch each other. Lees Corner is also boundaried by Route 50 on one side and a huge commercial area on the other side. Its not some bucolic wonderland where high school students skip along to their friends houses in other ES zones. This argument is completely nonsensical. I don't care if they move her kids school or not, but don't insult us with fake facts.

Chantilly is walking distance from Lee's Corner.
Brookfield is walking distance. (Chantilly)
Greenbriar is walking distance. (Chantilly)
Navy kids are walking distance. (Chantilly)

And, again, no one lives in the Westfield area that is contiguous with Lee's Corner.

The Westfield boundaries that are next to Lee's Corner are industrial and commercial.

Defend your own neighborhood. Don't defend it by moving others. Give the reasons your neighborhood should not move.

You keep changing your story. Boundaries are either contiguous, or not. Where stores and houses are located is irrelevant.
My neighborhood won't be moved either way, but you are really making me root against Lees Corner.

Everyone zoned to Chantilly is walking distance to Chantilly. Doesn't change the fact that your neighborhood one of the two closest neighborhoods to Westfield as well.