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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Certainly not DCPS leaders, the city council or Bowser. As long as that remains the case, I fail to see the point of this shame game and all the hand wringing.

Because it's dishonest and unfair to other students.

My kid is an in-bounds student at Jackson Reed and I don't care about boundary fraud there. If the "victims" don't care, why do you?

Your kid is at JR. Personally I'd still be bothered by the way boundary fraud leads to overcrowding, but your kid is still at the best IB DCPS high school in the city, so I'm not surprised that you don't really care.

Meanwhile, there are thousands of families in the city who play by the rules every year, reporting their address accurately and just hoping they can get a spot at a decent high school, and making do with what is possible within the bound of the law and fairness. And yes, those are the people far more likely to be upset at someone who cheats to gain access to something that many people also want but, because they are actually following the rules, don't get.

There are also people who suck it up and move IB for JR, and I seriously doubt they are enthusiastic to hear that other families accomplish the same thing by simply lying on their paperwork.

As far as I can tell "simply lying on their paperwork" is an urban myth where access to J-R is concerned. Yes, there're a tiny number of parents who live EotP who rent places for J-R, or own places in-boundary where they don't live. In a nutshell, if you don't have the paperwork to survive a DCPS residency investigation and possibly a home visit, you don't just swan into J-R without winning a lottery spot and stay there.

If I were to rank boundary fraud on a list of my concerns about J-R as a parent of two students there, boundary fraud would be lower than problem #25.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Certainly not DCPS leaders, the city council or Bowser. As long as that remains the case, I fail to see the point of this shame game and all the hand wringing.

Because it's dishonest and unfair to other students.

My kid is an in-bounds student at Jackson Reed and I don't care about boundary fraud there. If the "victims" don't care, why do you?

. Good question. Thanks, PP.

Well, as noted above, over-crowding at Jackson-Reed is why a bunch of students qho live very close to Jackson-Reed are now required to take lengthy bus trips to MacArthur.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Certainly not DCPS leaders, the city council or Bowser. As long as that remains the case, I fail to see the point of this shame game and all the hand wringing.

Because it's dishonest and unfair to other students.

My kid is an in-bounds student at Jackson Reed and I don't care about boundary fraud there. If the "victims" don't care, why do you?

. Good question. Thanks, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Certainly not DCPS leaders, the city council or Bowser. As long as that remains the case, I fail to see the point of this shame game and all the hand wringing.

Because it's dishonest and unfair to other students.

My kid is an in-bounds student at Jackson Reed and I don't care about boundary fraud there. If the "victims" don't care, why do you?

Your kid is at JR. Personally I'd still be bothered by the way boundary fraud leads to overcrowding, but your kid is still at the best IB DCPS high school in the city, so I'm not surprised that you don't really care.

Meanwhile, there are thousands of families in the city who play by the rules every year, reporting their address accurately and just hoping they can get a spot at a decent high school, and making do with what is possible within the bound of the law and fairness. And yes, those are the people far more likely to be upset at someone who cheats to gain access to something that many people also want but, because they are actually following the rules, don't get.

There are also people who suck it up and move IB for JR, and I seriously doubt they are enthusiastic to hear that other families accomplish the same thing by simply lying on their paperwork.

Same here. A small slice of the population gets a kick out of being smug, moralizing pains. These busybodies have too much time on their hands. I don't know parents in the J-R community who fuss about boundary fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Certainly not DCPS leaders, the city council or Bowser. As long as that remains the case, I fail to see the point of this shame game and all the hand wringing.

Because it's dishonest and unfair to other students.

My kid is an in-bounds student at Jackson Reed and I don't care about boundary fraud there. If the "victims" don't care, why do you?

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Anonymous wrote:I know a student attending Jackson Reed whose family tells everyone she got in through the lottery 2 years ago. Now we all know that’s not true. I’d like to report them. Thanks.

Can I have your home address so I can research reporting any home improvements without permits, immigration status of your family and people you employ, have the IRS look into your tax returns, and ensure neither you or yours is having an affair?

Are you assuming everyone cheats like you? You could research these things on most people and come up with nothing.

They don’t realize this.

It's how they justify it to themselves. It's why you have people claiming stuff like this is "victimless." Because they refuse to acknowledge there are many people who follow the rules out of respect to others, and it's those people getting screwed by the people always trying to get away with something.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a student attending Jackson Reed whose family tells everyone she got in through the lottery 2 years ago. Now we all know that’s not true. I’d like to report them. Thanks.

Can I have your home address so I can research reporting any home improvements without permits, immigration status of your family and people you employ, have the IRS look into your tax returns, and ensure neither you or yours is having an affair?

Are you assuming everyone cheats like you? You could research these things on most people and come up with nothing.

They don’t realize this.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a student attending Jackson Reed whose family tells everyone she got in through the lottery 2 years ago. Now we all know that’s not true. I’d like to report them. Thanks.

Can I have your home address so I can research reporting any home improvements without permits, immigration status of your family and people you employ, have the IRS look into your tax returns, and ensure neither you or yours is having an affair?

Are you assuming everyone cheats like you? You could research these things on most people and come up with nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a student attending Jackson Reed whose family tells everyone she got in through the lottery 2 years ago. Now we all know that’s not true. I’d like to report them. Thanks.

Can I have your home address so I can research reporting any home improvements without permits, immigration status of your family and people you employ, have the IRS look into your tax returns, and ensure neither you or yours is having an affair?

DP but these things are not the same.

1) Unpermitted construction work can be hazardous. I have no issue with neighbors reporting work that appears to be dangerous or illegal, or is producing negative consequences for them. If a row home neighbor decides to do an unpermitted renovation, it could compromise the shared wall, produce construction debris or air pollution that negative impacts them, etc. I have zero issue with people reporting stuff like this -- just get the permits. Just attend your IB or use the lottery. Just follow the rules which exist for a reason.

2) Reporting someone's immigration status in the current political climate could get them violently injured, get their family separated permanently, result in them being shipped off to a prison in El Salvador to disappear. Reporting immigration status under our current laws and regime is immoral. If we had fair immigration laws and an administration who treated immigrants as human beings with rights, I might feel differently about this depending on the situation. But no one is going to be disappeared out of the country if they are reported for boundary fraud in DC. These are not the same.

3) I have no sympathy for tax cheats. Pay your taxes. I have no issue with people reporting known instances of tax fraud. It's really important that our tax system be fair and that people follow the rules. The vast majority of the time none of us have any idea what others are doing with their taxes so there is no reason to do anything, but if someone had real knowledge of tax fraud I'd have no problem with them reporting it to authorities. It's a crime.

4) An affair is not illegal and has nothing to do with anyone outside the marriage. But if a person suspects *their* spouse is having an affair, they are welcome to look into it IMO. The school system is not like a marriage between two people. It's a social good we all contribute to and are supposed to have access to. So a neighbor who suspects you of boundary fraud is more akin to a spouse who suspects you of cheating on them, than just some random person trying to nail you down for having an affair. The people who are adversely impacted by your immoral or fraudulent actions of course have a right to report them. If this bothers you, DON'T CHEAT.

Anonymous wrote:I know a student attending Jackson Reed whose family tells everyone she got in through the lottery 2 years ago. Now we all know that’s not true. I’d like to report them. Thanks.

Can I have your home address so I can research reporting any home improvements without permits, immigration status of your family and people you employ, have the IRS look into your tax returns, and ensure neither you or yours is having an affair?

Anonymous wrote:JR is very strict on enrollment not from Deal. Enforcement like charge people criminally? That would require the USAO which is not happening.

Wait until a DCPS leader tries to do it … remember one chancellor was forced to quit. That was the really toxic boundary fraud time, when anyone higher up in DC government (or even just a connected functionary) could get permission to register their kids at an out of bounds school under the radar. I even met a woman who worked for OSSE who more or less told me the principal of a highly sought after school let her kid in special for her. The MySchool lottery put a stop to a lot of those shenanigans indirectly by making it clear that everyone else was playing on a level playing field for a few highly sought after spots.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, it's dishonest and unfair to other students. So what are you going to do about it? Nothing more than come here carping about the scofflaws who engage in these disreputable practices? Pipe down.

DP. If our disapproval didn't matter to you, you wouldn't be here from getting to hard to try and convince us that this thing that is obviously against the rules is actually the, technically okay. If you truly believed you were in the right, you wouldn't be telling the people arguing with you to "pipe down."

I know people who considered engaging in boundary fraud to get their kids into a highly sought after school in DC (grandparent lives IB for Oyster, they do not) but chose not to because they realized it would mean having to conceal the truth from not just DCPS but also other parents and students at the school. It would have meant asking their kids to lie. They knew it was wrong, do they feel fired something else out.

You know it's wrong too. You just *wish* it wasn't, which is why you are here trying to convince us all to agree. You need our approval. But you won't get it. It's illegal, it's unfair, it hurts schools and other families.

PP is a classic narcissist - believes she is entitled to send her kids to school wherever she wants because she is so special and clever; but also that nobody has the right to judge her for it.

JR is very strict on enrollment not from Deal. Enforcement like charge people criminally? That would require the USAO which is not happening.

Anonymous wrote:OK, it's dishonest and unfair to other students. So what are you going to do about it? Nothing more than come here carping about the scofflaws who engage in these disreputable practices? Pipe down.

DP. If our disapproval didn't matter to you, you wouldn't be here from getting to hard to try and convince us that this thing that is obviously against the rules is actually the, technically okay. If you truly believed you were in the right, you wouldn't be telling the people arguing with you to "pipe down."

I know people who considered engaging in boundary fraud to get their kids into a highly sought after school in DC (grandparent lives IB for Oyster, they do not) but chose not to because they realized it would mean having to conceal the truth from not just DCPS but also other parents and students at the school. It would have meant asking their kids to lie. They knew it was wrong, do they feel fired something else out.

You know it's wrong too. You just *wish* it wasn't, which is why you are here trying to convince us all to agree. You need our approval. But you won't get it. It's illegal, it's unfair, it hurts schools and other families.