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Anonymous wrote:Bukele isn't a very bright guy. Rather than being at all diplomatic, he has insured that his country (if he is still in power) will not be looked at favorably by subsequent administrations. Both Democratic and Republican (once they can get rid of the MAGA virus and other brain worms infecting the party).

You are the one who isn't very bright. Bukele was invited to Trump's inauguration. You write "if he is still in power", without realizing he is actually the most popular president in the Western Hemisphere. In July 2024 Statista reported he has a 93% approval rate. The next highest leaders in Latin America are in Mexico and the Dominican Republic at around 63%. This has been independently verified with other polls. You have no idea of the history of El Salvador and how bad the conditions truly were to cause so many Salvadorans to support Bukele.

It starts with the United States funding a proxy war in El Salvador. First Kennedy sent military aid and advisors to support right wing dictators. In 1980 the Archbishop of El Salvador begged President Carter to halt military and financial support and for a regime that was using U.S. aid and weapons to murder civilians, union leaders, teachers, and church workers. Romero was assassinated a month later. The country was drawn into 12-year civil war between the U.S.-backed right-wing military junta and the leftist FMLN guerrillas. The US was giving a million dollars a day to El Salvador and 4 billion in total.

Refugees fled to the U.S., particularly to Los Angeles, fleeing violence, repression, and poverty. Many young Salvadorans arrived without families or their parents were so busy working so they were left alone after school in gang-dominated neighborhoods. MS-13 gang was formed. Then these gang members were deported back to El Salvador where they recruited more members.

The US told El Salvador they should not incarcerate minors and continued to meddle. The gang member absolutely terrorized El Salvador. It became the murder capital of the world (think of how many arms were sent into El Salvador by the US during the Civil War). The country was ravaged by gang members killing, extorting, dealing drugs, raping, kidnapping, etc. It was too dangerous to leave your house, ride on a bus, or have your kids play outside without constant fear. In 2015, El Salvador had a homicide rate of 105 per 100,000 people, In comparison Haiti's murder rate is under 50 and it is about 10 in the US. The amount of sexual violence against women was absolutely terrifying. It was impossible to run a business without paying off gang members.

Bukele was lawfully elected in June 2019. He declared Marshall Law (he has referred to himself as the World's Coolest Dictator), built a megaprison to house gang members and said gang members as well as gang supports can be held for 20 to 30 years. El Salvador is now the safest country in the Western Hemisphere with a murder rate of under 2 per 100,000. People can now leave their houses, kids play outside, business aren't being extorted, etc. For the first time since the Civil War the country is functioning.

So obviously there are human rights abuses but in what kind of society would you rather live? I am not sure what the answer is, but there aren't many El Salvadorans who care that a guy who wears a Chicago Bulls hat and Hoodie (the horns of the bulls are also the sign of MS-13) in Maryland and has a tattoo of a lion (read about the Latin Kings Royal Lion gang in Maryland) is in CECOT, the mega prison. I don't think many people know with certainty this guy's background. He was a union apprentice for less than a year. It could be he was an upstanding immigrant, or not. You don't always get an individual trial in El Salvador to prove your innocence if you are a gang member as mass trials have been held and you can be held there without a trial. The name of the mega prison is Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo, abbreviated and commonly known as CECOT, which in English is the Terrorism Confinement Center.

Just like the US engaged in a proxy war in US, Trump is now using El Salvador again instead of sending him to Guantanamo. They want to use this guy and others deported to CECOT as examples of what could happen if you don't self-deport.

It is a bit hypocritical that El Salvadorans are the Barbarians who "will not be looked at favorably by subsequent administrations" when we have our own version of CECOT called Guantanamo where plenty of people have been held without trials and tortured.

Anonymous wrote:What Judge Xinis is banking on is that the government does not want to spend two weeks in discovery. Two big things can happen:

(1) They just make the call and get him back

(2) They spend two weeks creating a public record of their own screw-ups and then get sanctioned and then hope he is still alive and get him back.

God forbid he gets killed in prison, the backlash will be tremendous. It is already brewing.

Anonymous wrote:Bukele isn't a very bright guy. Rather than being at all diplomatic, he has insured that his country (if he is still in power) will not be looked at favorably by subsequent administrations. Both Democratic and Republican (once they can get rid of the MAGA virus and other brain worms infecting the party).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

He is a citizen of El Salvador. I doubt anyone outside of the US gives a crap about what our supreme court has ruled. If their president doesn't want to send him back, he won't. And what would we do about it? The SCOTUS doesn't have jurisdiction there.

Are you really this stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:The order does not actually bring him “back”.

Since he was determined by a court years ago to be affiliated with MS13, the order only states he must be removed from the prison he is in now. Once he is returned to the US, he can immediately be deported to any other country other than El Salvador.

WAIT. I'm confused.

He's a member of MS13?

And you guys got a problem with the guy getting deported?

Seriously, go find a law abiding, hard working young person who has never touched a gang, and make an example of him. But choosing an MS13 gang member to be your poster child for wrongful deportation is ... special. Very special.

You crazies genuinely do not undertand why you lost the election, do you?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

He was illegally sent to El Salvador. This is a ridiculous argument. If you take this reasoning to its logical endpoint, the administration can illegally disappear US citizens and there is no accountability. He is already talking about sending US citizens to camps in El Salvador and if you don’t realize how dangerous this is you are a fool.

Your argument does not make sense. He is NOT a citizen of the U.S. He may not belong in jail, but he does belong in El Salvador - that is his home and where he holds citizenship.

You will go to any length to justify your king’s violation of multiple court orders.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

He was illegally sent to El Salvador. This is a ridiculous argument. If you take this reasoning to its logical endpoint, the administration can illegally disappear US citizens and there is no accountability. He is already talking about sending US citizens to camps in El Salvador and if you don’t realize how dangerous this is you are a fool.

Your argument does not make sense. He is NOT a citizen of the U.S. He may not belong in jail, but he does belong in El Salvador - that is his home and where he holds citizenship.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

DP. Are you sure that the U.S. is paying for El Salvador to hold him?

“The Central American nation and Trump administration last month struck a deal to house migrants detained in the United States. The Trump administration contended that El Salvador could even house American citizens, though the U.S. cannot deport citizens to another country.

Rubio and Bukele discussed the specifics of the new transfer, which include a cost of about $20,000 to house each prisoner for the year. A State Department document also suggests that it may set aside $15 million to send to El Salvador to house additional members of the gang.”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-deportations-salvador-tren-aragua-64e72142a171ea57c869c3b35eeecce7

No, are you sure that the U.S. is paying for El Salvador to hold him? Perhaps El Salvador has waived any fee for one of its own citizens?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

He was illegally sent to El Salvador. This is a ridiculous argument. If you take this reasoning to its logical endpoint, the administration can illegally disappear US citizens and there is no accountability. He is already talking about sending US citizens to camps in El Salvador and if you don’t realize how dangerous this is you are a fool.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

DP. Are you sure that the U.S. is paying for El Salvador to hold him?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

DP. Are you sure that the U.S. is paying for El Salvador to hold him?

“The Central American nation and Trump administration last month struck a deal to house migrants detained in the United States. The Trump administration contended that El Salvador could even house American citizens, though the U.S. cannot deport citizens to another country.

Rubio and Bukele discussed the specifics of the new transfer, which include a cost of about $20,000 to house each prisoner for the year. A State Department document also suggests that it may set aside $15 million to send to El Salvador to house additional members of the gang.”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-deportations-salvador-tren-aragua-64e72142a171ea57c869c3b35eeecce7

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

DP. Are you sure that the U.S. is paying for El Salvador to hold him?

“The Central American nation and Trump administration last month struck a deal to house migrants detained in the United States. The Trump administration contended that El Salvador could even house American citizens, though the U.S. cannot deport citizens to another country.

Rubio and Bukele discussed the specifics of the new transfer, which include a cost of about $20,000 to house each prisoner for the year. A State Department document also suggests that it may set aside $15 million to send to El Salvador to house additional members of the gang.”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-deportations-salvador-tren-aragua-64e72142a171ea57c869c3b35eeecce7