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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear how the PP thinks we should all “compromise”.

Since this all, you know, our fault.

Gawd, you're insufferable (and I'm on YOUR SIDE).

How should you compromise?

1. Recognize that those with differing political beliefs are not the enemy.

2. Even if they are, recognize that screaming at them or ignoring them will not improve the situation.

3. Attempt to address their concerns in ways that you find reasonable. To take an easy example, race-based affirmative action could be replaced with affirmative action based on economic disadvantage (as many left-leaning scholars have long proposed).

I could give literally 100 more examples, but it's pretty straightforward across the board, with only a few truly irreconcilable positions.

Dp. Nope. I'm ignoring. You are free to associate with maga. Not me.

Then you're putting your feelings and precious ideological purity above actually accomplishing anything.

You are, in short, the equivalent of a Jill Stein voter in a swing state.

Anonymous wrote:Every single one of my friends is watching the attack that this administration has unleashed on our country with abject horror. If you are not horrified, then no, you are not my friend.

That is certainly 1 view point.

Or, those who shriek the most likely have something to hide. Expose. Expose. Expose.

Better way to go about it, for sure, but I for one cannot believe the FEMA efforts, or lack of, in Hawaii and NC to now find out our taxpayer dollars were instead funded hotel stays for newcomers in NYC. Tip of the iceberg.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear how the PP thinks we should all “compromise”.

Since this all, you know, our fault.

Gawd, you're insufferable (and I'm on YOUR SIDE).

How should you compromise?

1. Recognize that those with differing political beliefs are not the enemy.

2. Even if they are, recognize that screaming at them or ignoring them will not improve the situation.

3. Attempt to address their concerns in ways that you find reasonable. To take an easy example, race-based affirmative action could be replaced with affirmative action based on economic disadvantage (as many left-leaning scholars have long proposed).

I could give literally 100 more examples, but it's pretty straightforward across the board, with only a few truly irreconcilable positions.

Dp. Nope. I'm ignoring. You are free to associate with maga. Not me.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

How do you suggest “compromising” on fascism? Bigotry?

My DH and I have spent YEARS trying to share facts and reason with MAGA family members. They absolutely refuse to let go of the misinformation. You can’t persuade people who are 100% committed to the narrative.

Funny how I don’t see you pushing MAGAs to compromise at all.

First, you're aware of the science, right?

Evidence is pretty clear that dialogue/interaction between individuals that disagree tends to mitigate/limit extremism.

Second, of course I encourage MAGAs to compromise. I challenge their positions and gently make fun of them ("Eliminate the FDA? I'm buying you a 'Make E Coli Great Again' t-shirt for your birthday. I get wanting to reduce government waste, but do you REALLY want a literal sht sandwich for lunch?")

Third, WRT results. Do I get them to do a 180? No.

Have they usually moderated their rhetoric and acknowledged the validity of opposing viewpoints by the end of the conversation? 100%. And that lays the groundwork for moderation/compromise.

This is Life 101. Not so complicated.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I have some family members that I genuinely think are good people who voted for this administration. It’s hard to understand but I think it boils down to 1) lack of information/misinformation- I saw Fox News on the other day at my gym and it was so bizarre. If that’s what I watched I would probably think “ the libs” were public enemy #1 too. Now that we have media that is willing to 100 percent cater to specific points of view I don’t know how we will ever get people to understand where others are coming from again.

2) The power of false equivalency. I have heard plenty of people say they didn’t like Trump but they COULDN’T vote for Harris because of some bizarre reason like she didn’t do enough interviews. Or when noting the awful things Trump was accused of by women saying well Harris’ husband had an affair during her first marriage so same thing. I mean it boogles the mind but I think they really believe it.

Any time I can provide accurate information or challenge some of those mental gymnastics I consider it a win. If I hear someone outright saying something awful of course I push back on it though.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

Not arguing, seriously asking - how does one compromise on racism? And what I'm seeing here on this post, and what I certainly experience in real life, is that Trumpers really aren't that interested in having conversation. Right here we see people say they change the subject and call it being polite. They aren't interested in learning about the effect these racist policies and practices are having on real life human beings because, well, they're racist and they agree with it. So again, I just wonder, what would a compromise on racism look like, and are we going to run that by Black and Brown communities? Would it pass the sniff test, like could you look at them straight in the eye and tell them you support this so-called compromise on racism? That's my test - could I call up my Black friends and say hey, we have this solved. This is what we're going to do. And stand by it?

Exactly.

I’m originally from Detroit/Dearborn. I didn’t vote for Trump but several black/brown and several neighbors there around my parents did.

Women also voted for Trump. All flavors of people are susceptible to misinformation.

The minorities there that I know were more tired of the lip service paid to them by the rave-appropriate good party not misinformation. They had the information. Several are still waiting and see what happens. 🤷‍♀️

Anonymous wrote:This person is some Heritage Foundation tool trying to sow discord on among anti-fascists. Ignore.

LOL.

"This person's" (me) spouse was a Dem presidential appointee in charge of providing services to a traditionally undeserved minority community nationally, has brown kids, and donated to/voted for Obama (x2), Clinton, Biden, and Harris.

tldr?

You're literally 100% mistaken.

Anonymous wrote:This person is some Heritage Foundation tool trying to sow discord on among anti-fascists. Ignore.

Yup.

This person is some Heritage Foundation tool trying to sow discord on among anti-fascists. Ignore.

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely hate MAGA.

But the inability of the sanctimonious anti-MAGA resistance that lives in their own echo chamber and can’t grasp how they’re a massive part of the problem is astounding and makes me very concerned about where things are headed. Because there’s no opposition that is actually pragmatic. You just scream nazi. Instead of nominating candidates at all level of government who are pragmatic and there to win elections and defend democracy, you still vote for social justice warriors who’s single issue is trans stuff.

Until the opposition actually wins elections, the rest of it is just an academic exercise.

Focus on winning not on what your friends think.

What has happened (unfortunately) in American politics is the rise of the cult political identity. This has happened to the right (MAGA) and the left (trans/Palestine). They are impervious to facts, they view anything who doesn’t strictly adhere to their cult beliefs as evil, and they are absolutely unable to compromise. Weirdly, the Republicans have been more flexible recently than a lot of the Democrats, whose purity test has become almost impossibly high, so the Republicans won. But it’s a failure on both sides.

In the cult progressive world, ideological purity on issues like trans rights is more important than winning elections. They’d rather lose than admit that perhaps it’s not right to have high school boys crushing girls on the track in state finals. That had crossed over into the category of religious belief, just like the MAGA weirdos who have pictures of Trump as Jesus or whatever.

Essentially, cultists control the major political parties now. And I don’t know how we recover from that.

BoTh SiDeS

It is actually both sides. But your cult beliefs don’t let you see that.

It's not both sides.

Not wanting Republicans to impose overly oppressive rules around transgender people isn't religious.

I think that athletic organizations should develop their own policies that try to balance fairness and inclusions, not a blanket ban. That's not cultish.

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely hate MAGA.

But the inability of the sanctimonious anti-MAGA resistance that lives in their own echo chamber and can’t grasp how they’re a massive part of the problem is astounding and makes me very concerned about where things are headed. Because there’s no opposition that is actually pragmatic. You just scream nazi. Instead of nominating candidates at all level of government who are pragmatic and there to win elections and defend democracy, you still vote for social justice warriors who’s single issue is trans stuff.

Until the opposition actually wins elections, the rest of it is just an academic exercise.

Focus on winning not on what your friends think.

This is such nonsense. There isn’t a single Dem candidate I’ve come across who’s single issue of trans stuff. The only ones who focus on trans stuff tonthe exclusion of everything else is RWNJs/MAGA.

So sick of people saying the key to stopping Trump is walking away from defending parents and kids.

Yeah, this person is no good.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

Not arguing, seriously asking - how does one compromise on racism? And what I'm seeing here on this post, and what I certainly experience in real life, is that Trumpers really aren't that interested in having conversation. Right here we see people say they change the subject and call it being polite. They aren't interested in learning about the effect these racist policies and practices are having on real life human beings because, well, they're racist and they agree with it. So again, I just wonder, what would a compromise on racism look like, and are we going to run that by Black and Brown communities? Would it pass the sniff test, like could you look at them straight in the eye and tell them you support this so-called compromise on racism? That's my test - could I call up my Black friends and say hey, we have this solved. This is what we're going to do. And stand by it?

Exactly.

I’m originally from Detroit/Dearborn. I didn’t vote for Trump but several black/brown and several neighbors there around my parents did.

Women also voted for Trump. All flavors of people are susceptible to misinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely hate MAGA.

But the inability of the sanctimonious anti-MAGA resistance that lives in their own echo chamber and can’t grasp how they’re a massive part of the problem is astounding and makes me very concerned about where things are headed. Because there’s no opposition that is actually pragmatic. You just scream nazi. Instead of nominating candidates at all level of government who are pragmatic and there to win elections and defend democracy, you still vote for social justice warriors who’s single issue is trans stuff.

Until the opposition actually wins elections, the rest of it is just an academic exercise.

Focus on winning not on what your friends think.

What has happened (unfortunately) in American politics is the rise of the cult political identity. This has happened to the right (MAGA) and the left (trans/Palestine). They are impervious to facts, they view anything who doesn’t strictly adhere to their cult beliefs as evil, and they are absolutely unable to compromise. Weirdly, the Republicans have been more flexible recently than a lot of the Democrats, whose purity test has become almost impossibly high, so the Republicans won. But it’s a failure on both sides.

In the cult progressive world, ideological purity on issues like trans rights is more important than winning elections. They’d rather lose than admit that perhaps it’s not right to have high school boys crushing girls on the track in state finals. That had crossed over into the category of religious belief, just like the MAGA weirdos who have pictures of Trump as Jesus or whatever.

Essentially, cultists control the major political parties now. And I don’t know how we recover from that.

BoTh SiDeS

It is actually both sides. But your cult beliefs don’t let you see that.

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely hate MAGA.

But the inability of the sanctimonious anti-MAGA resistance that lives in their own echo chamber and can’t grasp how they’re a massive part of the problem is astounding and makes me very concerned about where things are headed. Because there’s no opposition that is actually pragmatic. You just scream nazi. Instead of nominating candidates at all level of government who are pragmatic and there to win elections and defend democracy, you still vote for social justice warriors who’s single issue is trans stuff.

Until the opposition actually wins elections, the rest of it is just an academic exercise.

Focus on winning not on what your friends think.

My friends and I volunteer. We phonebank and door knock and donate. We call our congressmen. We've been working our butts off for 9 years.

Despite this, the American people rejected our ideas. Don't put this on the left. The American people voted for this.

They voted for a fake narrative.

Misinformation is the enemy here.

100% plus not hearing the other side of the story. I never once heard a Dem candidate in the last election cycle, or any cycle, talk about the trans issue. No one I know cares much about it at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear how the PP thinks we should all “compromise”.

Since this all, you know, our fault.

Gawd, you're insufferable (and I'm on YOUR SIDE).

How should you compromise?

1. Recognize that those with differing political beliefs are not the enemy.

2. Even if they are, recognize that screaming at them or ignoring them will not improve the situation.

3. Attempt to address their concerns in ways that you find reasonable. To take an easy example, race-based affirmative action could be replaced with affirmative action based on economic disadvantage (as many left-leaning scholars have long proposed).

I could give literally 100 more examples, but it's pretty straightforward across the board, with only a few truly irreconcilable positions.

No, you're not on "my side". You're a sht stirring troll who enjoys being a dick.

1. obviously - these are friends & family
2. no sht - we've spent years diplomatically trying to discuss
3. they aren't not interested in having a reasonable discussion based on facts or reason. it's impossible to compromise when we aren't working off the same fundamentals.

Let's hear more of these examples. Your idea that there are a hundred easy "compromises" is ridiculous.

Blaming Trump on the people trying to fight disinformation is ridiculous. Gaslighting, in fact. Trollish sht stirring.

You are 100% missing the point.

I'm not "blaming Trump" on the people trying to fight disinformation.

I'm saying that calling Trump voters "Nazis", cutting them out of your lives, and otherwise excoriating them will make things worse, not better.

And I'm suggesting that we focus on how to solve the problem, rather than on how the problem makes you feel.

You know, grown up stuff.

There is zero benefit to include MAGAs in our lives. Engaging with them is not the solution. Been there, done that. You cannot change people who don't want to change.

This poster is blaming Trump on them:
"A lot of people have never learned the art of compromise which is why we are in the situation we are in. It's all or nothing for them."

Still waiting to hear what are the "compromises" on fascism and bigotry.

Read the science on extremism posted above. Simply put, you're wrong.

As for compromises, pick a specific topic and I'll be very glad to provide a suggestion.

Again, been there, done that. You cannot change people who don't want to change. We literally tried for years.

How do you compromise on:
Blaming helicopter/plane crash on "DEI".
Removing transgender from passports.
Removing checks and balances in the government.
Destabilizing the government with DOGE/FORK.

This person isn't conversing in good faith. They are just freaking out that we are done with them.

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely hate MAGA.

But the inability of the sanctimonious anti-MAGA resistance that lives in their own echo chamber and can’t grasp how they’re a massive part of the problem is astounding and makes me very concerned about where things are headed. Because there’s no opposition that is actually pragmatic. You just scream nazi. Instead of nominating candidates at all level of government who are pragmatic and there to win elections and defend democracy, you still vote for social justice warriors who’s single issue is trans stuff.

Until the opposition actually wins elections, the rest of it is just an academic exercise.

Focus on winning not on what your friends think.

What has happened (unfortunately) in American politics is the rise of the cult political identity. This has happened to the right (MAGA) and the left (trans/Palestine). They are impervious to facts, they view anything who doesn’t strictly adhere to their cult beliefs as evil, and they are absolutely unable to compromise. Weirdly, the Republicans have been more flexible recently than a lot of the Democrats, whose purity test has become almost impossibly high, so the Republicans won. But it’s a failure on both sides.

In the cult progressive world, ideological purity on issues like trans rights is more important than winning elections. They’d rather lose than admit that perhaps it’s not right to have high school boys crushing girls on the track in state finals. That had crossed over into the category of religious belief, just like the MAGA weirdos who have pictures of Trump as Jesus or whatever.

Essentially, cultists control the major political parties now. And I don’t know how we recover from that.

BoTh SiDeS

NP. Sont kid yourself. It’s the extremes of both colors versus the rationale people.