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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

Merriam Webster has this useful context under its definition of atheist:
"How Agnostic Differs From Atheist
Atheist and agnostic appear in the same contexts but are distinct in meaning. Atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods. Agnostic has two relevant meanings: it can refer to someone who holds the view that any ultimate reality, such as God, is unknown and probably unknowable, or it can refer to someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or nonexistence of God or a god."
I get the impression that a lot of atheists on this forum are actually agnostic.

No, they are mostly atheists.

AKA they are as certain about the existence of various gods as they are about fairies and leprechauns.

Do we go around saying we are Santa agnostic? No.

Except I think most agnostics acknowledge there is a difference between deities and fairies/leprechauns/Santa. Only self-described atheists insist on pretending all these things are equal for the sake of a tired argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

Merriam Webster has this useful context under its definition of atheist:
"How Agnostic Differs From Atheist
Atheist and agnostic appear in the same contexts but are distinct in meaning. Atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods. Agnostic has two relevant meanings: it can refer to someone who holds the view that any ultimate reality, such as God, is unknown and probably unknowable, or it can refer to someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or nonexistence of God or a god."
I get the impression that a lot of atheists on this forum are actually agnostic.

No, they are mostly atheists.

AKA they are as certain about the existence of various gods as they are about fairies and leprechauns.

Do we go around saying we are Santa agnostic? No.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

Merriam Webster has this useful context under its definition of atheist:
"How Agnostic Differs From Atheist
Atheist and agnostic appear in the same contexts but are distinct in meaning. Atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods. Agnostic has two relevant meanings: it can refer to someone who holds the view that any ultimate reality, such as God, is unknown and probably unknowable, or it can refer to someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or nonexistence of God or a god."
I get the impression that a lot of atheists on this forum are actually agnostic.

The fact of the matter is that "agnostic" sounds softer than "atheist" and thus is easier to call yourself publicly. People often feel sorry for agnostics - assuming they are trying to believe, or want to believe, while the term atheist seems harsher.

How do I know? Just a guess. I've noticed that people are put off by atheists. Agnostics get pity and atheists get anger. I don't like either reaction.

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I don’t think that is the reason from my experience with agnostics. It seems to be that for some people, intellectual honesty is better expressed through agnosticism - metaphysical beliefs cannot be proven or disproven through science. Certitude is foolish without evidence.

Very little in life is black and white. There are always different viewing lenses for understanding reality. Agnosticism more fully allows for lack of certitude in which to explore different aspects of reality.

I don’t feel pity for agnostics or atheists - everyone is entitled to their beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

Merriam Webster has this useful context under its definition of atheist:
"How Agnostic Differs From Atheist
Atheist and agnostic appear in the same contexts but are distinct in meaning. Atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods. Agnostic has two relevant meanings: it can refer to someone who holds the view that any ultimate reality, such as God, is unknown and probably unknowable, or it can refer to someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or nonexistence of God or a god."
I get the impression that a lot of atheists on this forum are actually agnostic.

The fact of the matter is that "agnostic" sounds softer than "atheist" and thus is easier to call yourself publicly. People often feel sorry for agnostics - assuming they are trying to believe, or want to believe, while the term atheist seems harsher.

How do I know? Just a guess. I've noticed that people are put off by atheists. Agnostics get pity and atheists get anger. I don't like either reaction.

I don't think agnostics are pitied. IME, self-described agnostics are much more understanding of a wide range of beliefs. It's hard to be judgmental of others when your own worldview is "we don't know." There's a live and let live attitude. Self-described atheists, on the other hand, often want to argue about God and "prove" religion wrong. It's antagonistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

Merriam Webster has this useful context under its definition of atheist:
"How Agnostic Differs From Atheist
Atheist and agnostic appear in the same contexts but are distinct in meaning. Atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods. Agnostic has two relevant meanings: it can refer to someone who holds the view that any ultimate reality, such as God, is unknown and probably unknowable, or it can refer to someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or nonexistence of God or a god."
I get the impression that a lot of atheists on this forum are actually agnostic.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

Merriam Webster has this useful context under its definition of atheist:
"How Agnostic Differs From Atheist
Atheist and agnostic appear in the same contexts but are distinct in meaning. Atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods. Agnostic has two relevant meanings: it can refer to someone who holds the view that any ultimate reality, such as God, is unknown and probably unknowable, or it can refer to someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or nonexistence of God or a god."
I get the impression that a lot of atheists on this forum are actually agnostic.

The fact of the matter is that "agnostic" sounds softer than "atheist" and thus is easier to call yourself publicly. People often feel sorry for agnostics - assuming they are trying to believe, or want to believe, while the term atheist seems harsher.

How do I know? Just a guess. I've noticed that people are put off by atheists. Agnostics get pity and atheists get anger. I don't like either reaction.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

Merriam Webster has this useful context under its definition of atheist:
"How Agnostic Differs From Atheist
Atheist and agnostic appear in the same contexts but are distinct in meaning. Atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods. Agnostic has two relevant meanings: it can refer to someone who holds the view that any ultimate reality, such as God, is unknown and probably unknowable, or it can refer to someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or nonexistence of God or a god."
I get the impression that a lot of atheists on this forum are actually agnostic.

The fact of the matter is that "agnostic" sounds softer than "atheist" and thus is easier to call yourself publicly. People often feel sorry for agnostics - assuming they are trying to believe, or want to believe, while the term atheist seems harsher.

How do I know? Just a guess. I've noticed that people are put off by atheists. Agnostics get pity and atheists get anger. I don't like either reaction.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

Merriam Webster has this useful context under its definition of atheist:
"How Agnostic Differs From Atheist
Atheist and agnostic appear in the same contexts but are distinct in meaning. Atheist refers to someone who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods. Agnostic has two relevant meanings: it can refer to someone who holds the view that any ultimate reality, such as God, is unknown and probably unknowable, or it can refer to someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or nonexistence of God or a god."
I get the impression that a lot of atheists on this forum are actually agnostic.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

What's the difference between atheist and agnostic then?

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

Some fundamentalists might but for most of us doubt and faith live together.

Also many religious people do not believe bible stories or other sacred texts are literally true but look for underlying guidance and sense of community.

You can get a sense of community lots of places besides church, where you have to subscribe to a whole belief system.

What types of secular places do you find community?

Could be clubs (like Kiwanis), bars, neighborhoods, professional groups, interest groups (e.g., political), work friends. In these types of groupings, you have things in common, for instance, where you live, what political party you support, what you do for a living, instead of a set of supernatural beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

Athiests are not people who are certain that there is no God. They are people who do not believe in God. They are a-thiests, that is, Not theists.

Also, adult believers only believe in God and not any other supernatural beings, like fairies or Santa Claus. Fairies and Santa are considered childish, but God is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

Some fundamentalists might but for most of us doubt and faith live together.

Also many religious people do not believe bible stories or other sacred texts are literally true but look for underlying guidance and sense of community.

You can get a sense of community lots of places besides church, where you have to subscribe to a whole belief system.

What types of secular places do you find community?

Could be clubs (like Kiwanis), bars, neighborhoods, professional groups, interest groups (e.g., political), work friends. In these types of groupings, you have things in common, for instance, where you live, what political party you support, what you do for a living, instead of a set of supernatural beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.

Aren't religious people certain that there is a God?

PP is agnostic, so probably takes issue with certainty about God just as much as certainty about no God.

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Anonymous wrote:Have discussions on this religion forum influenced you either away from or towards religion? If away, how? And if towards, which religion and why?

Yes, I have always been agnostic; however this forum has really confirmed my beliefs that atheists are among the most insufferable of all beliefs.

The only more insufferable group I have come across are fundamentalist Muslims; who are truly brain dead.

Previously I considered switching from agnostic to atheist but both IRL and on the internet these people are so tedious and lack any understanding of evolution and history. No thanks.

Any believers are braindead, hence why they still believe in myths and fairy tales.

Way to underscore PP’s point

“Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.” - Voltaire.