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Anonymous wrote:Ambidextrous mom obviously wrote the bogus ransom note, so she was covering it up. And she would have been indicted had they not lawyered up immediately.

All the rest of this babble is nonsense.

She would have been indicted? Sure. You know what you’re talking about.

She actually WAS indicted, if you’ll recall. But prosecutors declined to take the case on.

Anonymous wrote:I’m looking forward to finding out the truth about this murder.

UMC/wealthy white people don’t murder their kids. Really, they don’t. Some lower MC white men kill their spouses, but even that is rare and they end up on the national news.

People who commit crimes also typically have a criminal history. Wherever there is smoke there is fire. No way that this family would be so successful without any family history or criminal activity and then one day they murder their only daughter.

This case garnered a lot of interest because it’s a wealthy family and people like to eat the rich.

I have some unfortunate news to share with you….

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Anonymous wrote:NOBODY like them does this to their child. They don’t for the profile at all. As
Hard as it is for some people, an intruder did this.

“Like them”? What does that mean?

Maybe people who weren’t abusing their kids previously?

And what evidence do you have that abuse never happened before that night?

Well surely that would have come to light by now.

Not when the victim is dead

Her body would have told the tale.

It did, it showed prior sexual abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:The ransom note was clearly written by Patsy for many reasons. Look at the two samples, plus men don't babble like this. Or use complementary terms. Its absurd she wasn't a little smarter about the cover up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/188slcd/the_ransom_note_comparison_original_vs_patsy/

I agree, seems clear she wrote it with her left hand and deliberately hid certain characteristics eg the way she wrote her 'a's.

Yes, what I noticed.

There was also a practice ransom note/another started ransom note found in patsy’s pad of paper in the kitchen. This isn’t a hard one to figure out. Occams Razor - the simplest answer is usually the right one. Patsy wrote the ransom note which is one the single biggest giveaways of family involvement (of which there are many.)

I don’t believe patsy killed jonbenet and i don’t believe she’d cover for John if he killed jonbenet. Burke would have also been a lot more frightened for himself if one of the parents had killed jonbenet. And there you have it, plus the mountains of evidence implicating them.

I tend to agree with this. The kids running around in the middle of the night, Patsy perhaps awake herself, does not support the intruder theory. Any intruder would have grabbed her and swiftly removed her from the house not carried her four flights down to a weird basement room.

None of this is rational. Maybe the thrill of getting caught was part of the kink?

Nope, don't buy it. Hiding in the house to snatch a little girl, yes. To torture her using only stuff found in the house (didn't bring anything, including rope or duct tape?) and write a long ransom note over an extended period of time on Christmas Eve when multiple people are in the house and maybe awake? Does not hold up.

Yes Im sure the mother did the torture makes so much sense. Oh and found some random man to rub her underwear on.

Not the PP but this is the whole point- neither scenario makes total sense. The problem with the "Ramseys did it" theory is that there is a small amount of touch DNA on her underwear. The problem with the "intruder did it" theory is that literally all of the circumstantial evidence- the ransom note being written on the family's notepad with the family's pen which were put back in their correct spots, multiple drafts of the ransom note being found on the family's notepad in the drawer, the things used for the murder all being items from inside the house, the child being wrapped up in a blanket that was removed from the dryer, the fact that the child's stomach contents showed that she'd been eating a snack before she died and that snack was sitting on the kitchen counter in a bowl- point to it being done by someone who lived in the home. So basically, we will never know what happened.
However, if people are going to be convinced of the intruder theory based on the touch DNA, then how do they explain the mother's clothing fibers being on the duct tape and on the rope/string used to strangle her? I think , honestly, that if an intruder did it, the mother helped cover it up for some reason.

Nobody has to explain anything. You can have whatever theory you want and so can others.

I meant explain in the sense of, the police and the prosecutors would have to explain. Clearly none of us can explain because it’s an unsolved mystery that will likely never be solved for the reasons I listed.

Anonymous wrote:NOBODY like them does this to their child. They don’t for the profile at all. As
Hard as it is for some people, an intruder did this.

“Like them”? Like, white well off and nice and had friends? Kind of like Chris Watts was?

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible, since John had taken a sleeping pill, that he didn't even know exactly what happened? If Burke hit JB or she they were tussling and she fell and bashed her head, then he messed with her body, it's possible Patsy did just a slight staging of the body (wrist ties and tape) before writing the ransom note and only after that waking John up?

Yes. That is more or less James kolar’s theory of what happened - he was the lead detective on the case in boulder in the early 2000s, years after it occurred. John took a sleeping pill on Christmas night and woke up the next morning to whatever Burke had done and how patsy had covered it up, and by that point patsy was calling the police. He knew something was off. Patsy was still in her clothes and makeup from the night prior when the police arrived.

I believe based on a previous Reddit AMA that kolar still thinks John doesn’t know exactly what transpired that night. Burke and patsy were the most involved, and his theory was that John didn’t discover Jonbenet until after the time for the AM ransom call had passed, and he disappeared for about an hour. During that time he discovered her body and felt he had no choice but to participate in the coverup.

Anonymous wrote:Ambidextrous mom obviously wrote the bogus ransom note, so she was covering it up. And she would have been indicted had they not lawyered up immediately.

All the rest of this babble is nonsense.

She would have been indicted? Sure. You know what you’re talking about.

Ambidextrous mom obviously wrote the bogus ransom note, so she was covering it up. And she would have been indicted had they not lawyered up immediately.

All the rest of this babble is nonsense.

Thoughts after revisiting this story as an adult;

Patsy’s Chemo/Ovarian Cancer did irreversible harm to the older Blake. Patsy’s mother came to town during Chemo and was either more strict or more dismissive of the older child which created some downstream behavior issues and introverted tendencies that - coupled with possible ASD - would paint his behavior during this ordeal in a different light. I do not think anyone that size or age can move a body or tie ligature.

The crime scene was bungled ONLY because the house was a mess. Looking through the crime scene photos and videotape I can’t help but notice that every inch of every room is covered in junk. It would be a great ordeal to go through 6500sqft and make sense of anything in this shape. Add the foot traffic of 12/26 and you’ve got a hell of a problem.

It’s the intruder. Someone who knew this family and had broken into occupied homes before.

They knew how to navigate floor plans. They knew there would be sufficient materials in the garage/kitchen. They were deranged enough to snack with and sit with their victim. Perhaps they even wrote the Ransom note after bludgeoning her head and before they killed her. Perhaps there was an attempt to escape or something that set off the intruder, making the ransom note irrelevant. I’m hoping that 23&me/DNA databases can give us some closure sometime soon.

Anonymous wrote:I’m looking forward to finding out the truth about this murder.

UMC/wealthy white people don’t murder their kids. Really, they don’t. Some lower MC white men kill their spouses, but even that is rare and they end up on the national news.

People who commit crimes also typically have a criminal history. Wherever there is smoke there is fire. No way that this family would be so successful without any family history or criminal activity and then one day they murder their only daughter.

This case garnered a lot of interest because it’s a wealthy family and people like to eat the rich.

And the pageant stuff. That was a huge part of this story to draw people in.

I’m looking forward to finding out the truth about this murder.

UMC/wealthy white people don’t murder their kids. Really, they don’t. Some lower MC white men kill their spouses, but even that is rare and they end up on the national news.

People who commit crimes also typically have a criminal history. Wherever there is smoke there is fire. No way that this family would be so successful without any family history or criminal activity and then one day they murder their only daughter.

This case garnered a lot of interest because it’s a wealthy family and people like to eat the rich.

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible, since John had taken a sleeping pill, that he didn't even know exactly what happened? If Burke hit JB or she they were tussling and she fell and bashed her head, then he messed with her body, it's possible Patsy did just a slight staging of the body (wrist ties and tape) before writing the ransom note and only after that waking John up?

Maybe. I wonder how carefully the playroom was tested for objects or furniture she might have hit her head on if she fell. The other question is what made the marks on her body. Although I find the train tracks theory pretty compelling, and it fits with the presumed location of the incident, one of the detectors identified a stun gun that could have made the marks. The Ramseys denied owning one but apparently a manual was found in the house and taken into evidence. Noone has said if it matched the only model that could have made those marks, but what if Burke was playing with it, zapped JB twice (in face then in back) and she fell hitting her head hard. That seems more likely than Burke smashing her in the head in a fit of range. Then he 'explored' her body and dragged it with the rope tool he made, or Patsy felt compelled to stage it to look like a sexual predator had done it to draw attention away from Burke.

Is it possible, since John had taken a sleeping pill, that he didn't even know exactly what happened? If Burke hit JB or she they were tussling and she fell and bashed her head, then he messed with her body, it's possible Patsy did just a slight staging of the body (wrist ties and tape) before writing the ransom note and only after that waking John up?

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Anonymous wrote:NOBODY like them does this to their child. They don’t for the profile at all. As
Hard as it is for some people, an intruder did this.

“Like them”? What does that mean?

Maybe people who weren’t abusing their kids previously?

And what evidence do you have that abuse never happened before that night?

Well surely that would have come to light by now.

Not when the victim is dead

Her body would have told the tale.

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Anonymous wrote:NOBODY like them does this to their child. They don’t for the profile at all. As
Hard as it is for some people, an intruder did this.

“Like them”? What does that mean?

Maybe people who weren’t abusing their kids previously?

And what evidence do you have that abuse never happened before that night?

Well surely that would have come to light by now.

Not when the victim is dead