Anonymous wrote:The protest Nader voters in 2000 ended up giving the presidency to George Bush. Everyone that died in Iraq is because of those stupid protest voters.

And the desire to make the point that you can hurt people is exactly why Palestinians don't have a state. 10/7 was a stupid idea. And to progressives, congratulations, now you have four years of Trump and the Christian right and total support for Likud. Feel good now?

Idiots.

I have nothing but disdain for people trying to make a point with their Jill Stein votes.

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Anonymous wrote:It will soon be de facto illegal to publicly criticize Israel without being threatened with deportation for anyone who lacks solid birthright citizenship going back several generations.

But you taught the Democrats a lesson. LOL!

We’ll see.

you do realise that it was basically completely peer pressured, huge consequences for anyone in america to ever say anything other than i am a zionist. I know, im a muslim who is a zionist in that i believe and support an Israeli state should exist free from harrasment and fear of attack from its neighbors. im also against the occupation of WB and Gaza, but i couldnt say the last part, it was a huge taboo to refer to Israel as an occupying power or anything other than a deserved respite for holocaust survivors and purveyor of hummus and falafel. I have been shocked at how quickly that taboo has lifted in the past year, it wont be any big change for the taboo to be enforced again. We have never had 1st amedment rights re:Israel. these kids have broken a huge taboo.

i had never heard of the nakba, i had read alan and naomi and number the stars in 4th grade though. I thought the arabs were mean for not giving some land to the European jews, it never occurred to me that these peopel have literaly been fighting each other for 3000 years since Abraham had a grandson named Jacob and his progeny decided that all of Canaan belonged to them and all the rest of abrahams kids needed to skedaddle. if you read the OT and early muslim history it becomes evident that the children of Jacob are hellbent on taking the whole inheritence and Esaus kids, Ismail's kids and Midians kids need to die. All of these people believe in this similar origin story of abraham teh Patriarch and his offspring and are from this area of the wordl and tehy have been fighting since before Moses even coined Hebrew as a term. All the peopel who belive in thsi myth were not jews, despite what Bill clinton remembers from sunday school 1958, the jews are only the children of one of Abraham's grandkids, he had a lot more grandkids and the rest of them are called Arabs now, they also used to be called samaritans but now they are called Arabs.

What are you responding to? The “we’ll see” was in response to “ It will soon be de facto illegal to publicly criticize Israel without being threatened with deportation for anyone who lacks solid birthright citizenship going back several generations.”. Do you really think the incoming president is going to make it illegal to criticize Israel??

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Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

You don’t get it. You may never get to vote again. You were manipulated by Russia and China to vote third party to destroy America. Trump is not a normal candidate. He has proudly said he’ll be a dictator.

THIS is the kind of thing that makes my liberal self start being anti-immigration. Don’t flee your dangerous, unstable countries with few rights to come here and vote to take away our rights and make us less safe and stable.

You live in make believe land, comrade.

DP. You don’t think this will inevitably loop in legal immigrants? That means they wouldn’t be able to vote again in the US. I can’t see how that won’t happen in massive round ups.

No one legal is in any danger of getting rounded up.

Anonymous wrote:Because apparently they want Gaza to be completely destroyed. Because that will be the outcome of their vote.

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Trump has reportedly told Osrael that he wants the Middle East conflict over in Gaza before he is sworn in. Also Iran had a huge drop in their market after the Trump win.

Get Israel to stop bombing Gaza, get Iran to stop allowing Hezbollah to attack Israel, boom,

No conflict in Middle East.

It does not fix the long standing issues that need to be worked out, but at lease no more death on a large scale.

Biden/Harris were doing NOTHING!

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Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

You don’t get it. You may never get to vote again. You were manipulated by Russia and China to vote third party to destroy America. Trump is not a normal candidate. He has proudly said he’ll be a dictator.

THIS is the kind of thing that makes my liberal self start being anti-immigration. Don’t flee your dangerous, unstable countries with few rights to come here and vote to take away our rights and make us less safe and stable.

You live in make believe land, comrade.

DP. You don’t think this will inevitably loop in legal immigrants? That means they wouldn’t be able to vote again in the US. I can’t see how that won’t happen in massive round ups.

No one legal is in any danger of getting rounded up.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

You don’t get it. You may never get to vote again. You were manipulated by Russia and China to vote third party to destroy America. Trump is not a normal candidate. He has proudly said he’ll be a dictator.

THIS is the kind of thing that makes my liberal self start being anti-immigration. Don’t flee your dangerous, unstable countries with few rights to come here and vote to take away our rights and make us less safe and stable.

You live in make believe land, comrade.

DP. You don’t think this will inevitably loop in legal immigrants? That means they wouldn’t be able to vote again in the US. I can’t see how that won’t happen in massive round ups.

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Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?

Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"

There is no such thing as a protest vote and that’s what most of this thread is saying.

That is FALSE. Do you want to speak to Dearborn MI residents who did just that???

My god, your inability to think is fascinating.

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Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?

Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"

There is no such thing as a protest vote and that’s what most of this thread is saying.

That is FALSE. Do you want to speak to Dearborn MI residents who did just that???

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Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?

Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"

There is no such thing as a protest vote and that’s what most of this thread is saying.

That is FALSE. Do you want to speak to Dearborn MI residents who did just that???

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Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?

Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"

There is no such thing as a protest vote and that’s what most of this thread is saying.

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Anonymous wrote:Three minutes why Arabs in Michigan voted for Trump

The problem is people think that somehow people think that America is the land of the promised and it’s a given that we have clean drinking water and health care. People don’t see how democracy dies one cut at a time. If you’ve lived in an authoritarian country like I did as an expat, you’d know how quickly things can devolve in 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

You don’t get it. You may never get to vote again. You were manipulated by Russia and China to vote third party to destroy America. Trump is not a normal candidate. He has proudly said he’ll be a dictator.

THIS is the kind of thing that makes my liberal self start being anti-immigration. Don’t flee your dangerous, unstable countries with few rights to come here and vote to take away our rights and make us less safe and stable.

Ha! I'm an immigrant and I know every liberal thinks like you despite the professed pro-immigration stance. You only approve of a particular kind of immigrant. You don't really see them as people, and you don't see them as "one of us" either. You and Trump aren't so different after all.

Because you are white

Lucky for you, you dont have to wonder any more. You get what you voted for, dont say we didnt warn you.

You really have no idea of immigrant life. You don't.

Do you have any idea how bad legal immigration services got under Biden? How much longer things took? How outright unhelpful USCIS became? Wherever did you get the idea that Biden was good for immigrants?

Well I guess we will all see now that MAGA has control.

I lived through the first Trump term and in retrospect, while he was personally repugnant to me, the policy-level fearmongering from the Democrats did not come true. My life as an immigrant was not inconvenienced at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Three minutes why Arabs in Michigan voted for Trump

The problem is people think that somehow people think that America is the land of the promised and it’s a given that we have clean drinking water and health care. People don’t see how democracy dies one cut at a time. If you’ve lived in an authoritarian country like I did as an expat, you’d know how quickly things can devolve in 4 years.