Anonymous
07/18/2024 17:18
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:The blissfully unintentional irony of advocating for the destruction of all option programs because lotteries are so, so inequitable while at the same time arguing that families in Rosslyn (where the median income is $69K/year) should accept a school with no fields, pool, or sports as its neighborhood school. *chef's kiss*
Most people are saying they should expand representation in the program, making it HS only and larger, and making it an opt-out lottery — every 8th grader is entered, winners get a slot, and a chance to tour the school and learn about the program rather than some pamphlet.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 17:16
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
But it was fine for that site to be a middle school holding 1300 students?
It was not fine, it was rejected by parents, so that's why it became the HB site.
It was rejected by a subset of loud-mouthed, self-serving parents. Not the overall community.
Probably the same parents who would still reject it as a comprehensive HS, were that idea proposed.
And those parents will be right on both cases. But HB should HS only and expanded to 1000.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 16:52
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
The blissfully unintentional irony of advocating for the destruction of all option programs because lotteries are so, so inequitable while at the same time arguing that families in Rosslyn (where the median income is $69K/year) should accept a school with no fields, pool, or sports as its neighborhood school. *chef's kiss*
Anonymous
07/18/2024 16:35
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
But it was fine for that site to be a middle school holding 1300 students?
It was not fine, it was rejected by parents, so that's why it became the HB site.
It was rejected by a subset of loud-mouthed, self-serving parents. Not the overall community.
Probably the same parents who would still reject it as a comprehensive HS, were that idea proposed.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 15:50
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
But it was fine for that site to be a middle school holding 1300 students?
It was not fine, it was rejected by parents, so that's why it became the HB site.
It was rejected by a subset of loud-mouthed, self-serving parents. Not the overall community.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 15:45
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
But it was fine for that site to be a middle school holding 1300 students?
It was not fine, it was rejected by parents, so that's why it became the HB site.
My point is the SB considered it a fine option without fields, etc
Anonymous
07/18/2024 10:42
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
You are on to something. Make hb the totally walkable school for Roslyn. That should make it diverse and full of apartment dwellers so maybe even lower income. Oh but wait, upthread somebody said something about not on their dime so I guess only the richest in Arlington should get into hb? So confused.
Also, the amount of diainfo on this thread is astounding.
I agree that there are so many argumentative fallacies, but it's from the HB proponents. It's disinformation if someone disagrees with you, eh?
I'm the OP who is tired of paying for option schools becoming a way for privileged parents to get a better, even safer education for their children at the expense of others who could use the same. If you took all the VPI programs from the elementary schools and the English learner programs out of ArlTech and HB, I'm sure that you would truly have your white paradise with even "higher educational outcomes."
I also am the person who is cool with all option programs going away. HB-W has just over 700 children. With enrollment going down over the next several years, I'm sure they can be absorbed into the system, especially at the MS level. The last time I checked, APS will severely underfunded over the next several years. Sell the building to the county and get that big Rosslyn money for our schools. The career center site can be our 4th high school. The other option schools can relieve overcrowding, or be used as swing space for renovation.
If you want a HB type program, I'm sure you can use lessons learned in the neighborhood schools.
It sounds like you are saying that since everyone can't go to HB, no one should be able to go? So everything should be exactly uniform across all schools with no special programs or options for different environments or learning styles?
That just doesn't make sense. Many, many school districts in our area and across the country have special schools of some sort, whether magnet programs, tech focus, performing arts, etc. Yes, it means students must apply (through lottery, testing, auditions, etc) and not everyone who tries gets in, but overall these programs are beneficial and make the school system stronger and more desirable.
I'm saying that if you can't bring more equity into HB, then yes, it can't be a haven for rich white [but quirky] students either. Quirky doesn't apply for the marginalized. It's dangerous to be different if you're a poor child of color and multi marginalized.
I also know that whatever I said above in a pipe dream because too many rich white families benefit from HB-W and will fight for their kid's opportunities. I mean, look at this thread and others. So let's not pretend that you give one fcuk to those who aren't in your sphere.
I'm the pp and I'm not rich or white, but okay.... Your faux concern for my minority children is touching.
I'm not sure if you're suggesting eliminating HB entirely so that the poor children of color can continue in their status quo of dangerous multi-marginalization? Or are you suggesting HB become exclusively a haven for poor minority children? Either way, you sound angry and irrational.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 10:31
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
You are on to something. Make hb the totally walkable school for Roslyn. That should make it diverse and full of apartment dwellers so maybe even lower income. Oh but wait, upthread somebody said something about not on their dime so I guess only the richest in Arlington should get into hb? So confused.
Also, the amount of diainfo on this thread is astounding.
I agree that there are so many argumentative fallacies, but it's from the HB proponents. It's disinformation if someone disagrees with you, eh?
I'm the OP who is tired of paying for option schools becoming a way for privileged parents to get a better, even safer education for their children at the expense of others who could use the same. If you took all the VPI programs from the elementary schools and the English learner programs out of ArlTech and HB, I'm sure that you would truly have your white paradise with even "higher educational outcomes."
I also am the person who is cool with all option programs going away. HB-W has just over 700 children. With enrollment going down over the next several years, I'm sure they can be absorbed into the system, especially at the MS level. The last time I checked, APS will severely underfunded over the next several years. Sell the building to the county and get that big Rosslyn money for our schools. The career center site can be our 4th high school. The other option schools can relieve overcrowding, or be used as swing space for renovation.
If you want a HB type program, I'm sure you can use lessons learned in the neighborhood schools.
It sounds like you are saying that since everyone can't go to HB, no one should be able to go? So everything should be exactly uniform across all schools with no special programs or options for different environments or learning styles?
That just doesn't make sense. Many, many school districts in our area and across the country have special schools of some sort, whether magnet programs, tech focus, performing arts, etc. Yes, it means students must apply (through lottery, testing, auditions, etc) and not everyone who tries gets in, but overall these programs are beneficial and make the school system stronger and more desirable.
I'm saying that if you can't bring more equity into HB, then yes, it can't be a haven for rich white [but quirky] students either. Quirky doesn't apply for the marginalized. It's dangerous to be different if you're a poor child of color and multi marginalized.
I also know that whatever I said above in a pipe dream because too many rich white families benefit from HB-W and will fight for their kid's opportunities. I mean, look at this thread and others. So let's not pretend that you give one fcuk to those who aren't in your sphere.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 08:38
Subject: Re:Waiver for HB Woodlawn
I think that this thread and threads about ATS all end up being a waste of virtual breath. People act like there are high minded arguments against choice schools, but it seems that the bottom line is that many people are just mad their kids didn’t get something that other kids did. Their objections to the schools “on principle” didn’t keep them from applying. They just didn’t win. Therefore, no amount of discussion or logic will change their minds.
FWIW, I’m agnostic on the question of choice schools. This is just an observation after seeing many of these threads over the years.
FWIW, I’m agnostic on the question of choice schools. This is just an observation after seeing many of these threads over the years.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 08:37
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
But it was fine for that site to be a middle school holding 1300 students?
It was not fine, it was rejected by parents, so that's why it became the HB site.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 08:36
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
You are on to something. Make hb the totally walkable school for Roslyn. That should make it diverse and full of apartment dwellers so maybe even lower income. Oh but wait, upthread somebody said something about not on their dime so I guess only the richest in Arlington should get into hb? So confused.
Also, the amount of diainfo on this thread is astounding.
I agree that there are so many argumentative fallacies, but it's from the HB proponents. It's disinformation if someone disagrees with you, eh?
I'm the OP who is tired of paying for option schools becoming a way for privileged parents to get a better, even safer education for their children at the expense of others who could use the same. If you took all the VPI programs from the elementary schools and the English learner programs out of ArlTech and HB, I'm sure that you would truly have your white paradise with even "higher educational outcomes."
I also am the person who is cool with all option programs going away. HB-W has just over 700 children. With enrollment going down over the next several years, I'm sure they can be absorbed into the system, especially at the MS level. The last time I checked, APS will severely underfunded over the next several years. Sell the building to the county and get that big Rosslyn money for our schools. The career center site can be our 4th high school. The other option schools can relieve overcrowding, or be used as swing space for renovation.
If you want a HB type program, I'm sure you can use lessons learned in the neighborhood schools.
It sounds like you are saying that since everyone can't go to HB, no one should be able to go? So everything should be exactly uniform across all schools with no special programs or options for different environments or learning styles?
That just doesn't make sense. Many, many school districts in our area and across the country have special schools of some sort, whether magnet programs, tech focus, performing arts, etc. Yes, it means students must apply (through lottery, testing, auditions, etc) and not everyone who tries gets in, but overall these programs are beneficial and make the school system stronger and more desirable.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 08:34
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
But it was fine for that site to be a middle school holding 1300 students?
Anonymous
07/18/2024 07:49
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
You are on to something. Make hb the totally walkable school for Roslyn. That should make it diverse and full of apartment dwellers so maybe even lower income. Oh but wait, upthread somebody said something about not on their dime so I guess only the richest in Arlington should get into hb? So confused.
Also, the amount of diainfo on this thread is astounding.
Yeah I’m sure forcing all the low income students to go to a school without sports or a pool will go over really well.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 05:22
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
You are on to something. Make hb the totally walkable school for Roslyn. That should make it diverse and full of apartment dwellers so maybe even lower income. Oh but wait, upthread somebody said something about not on their dime so I guess only the richest in Arlington should get into hb? So confused.
Also, the amount of diainfo on this thread is astounding.
I agree that there are so many argumentative fallacies, but it's from the HB proponents. It's disinformation if someone disagrees with you, eh?
I'm the OP who is tired of paying for option schools becoming a way for privileged parents to get a better, even safer education for their children at the expense of others who could use the same. If you took all the VPI programs from the elementary schools and the English learner programs out of ArlTech and HB, I'm sure that you would truly have your white paradise with even "higher educational outcomes."
I also am the person who is cool with all option programs going away. HB-W has just over 700 children. With enrollment going down over the next several years, I'm sure they can be absorbed into the system, especially at the MS level. The last time I checked, APS will severely underfunded over the next several years. Sell the building to the county and get that big Rosslyn money for our schools. The career center site can be our 4th high school. The other option schools can relieve overcrowding, or be used as swing space for renovation.
If you want a HB type program, I'm sure you can use lessons learned in the neighborhood schools.
Anonymous
07/18/2024 04:34
Subject: Waiver for HB Woodlawn
Anonymous wrote:HB can’t be a comprehensive or neighborhood school because it doesn’t have the fields or space needed. It can only function as a choice school. Kids can’t be forced to go there but they can choose to go there. I guess it could aKai be used aa office space for staff? The symbiotic relationship between this space and the choice school has been explained several times now but clearly some people don’t get it.
You are on to something. Make hb the totally walkable school for Roslyn. That should make it diverse and full of apartment dwellers so maybe even lower income. Oh but wait, upthread somebody said something about not on their dime so I guess only the richest in Arlington should get into hb? So confused.
Also, the amount of diainfo on this thread is astounding.