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Anonymous wrote:Given that Louisiana is mostly Catholic they could at least put up the 10 Commandment wording that Catholics use.

What, you didn’t know that there is a ton of differences among Christian sects and that Catholics even have a much different bible than Protestants? Now you do! Have at it. If Xianity is going to be our national religion we need to narrow it down to the which denomination.

The wording they chose is from the promotion campaign for the Charlton Heston movie. Not kidding.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2024/05/20/louisiana-will-post-the-twelve-commandments-in-schools/

Anonymous wrote:It's establishment of religion, plain and simple. The Founders made it illegal in the First Amendment to our Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights.

How do you suppose Alito will find a way to claim it's Constitutional. Embarrassing for the S.Ct., but he'll probably write a dissenting opinion of nonsense.

Anonymous wrote:Given that Louisiana is mostly Catholic they could at least put up the 10 Commandment wording that Catholics use.

What, you didn’t know that there is a ton of differences among Christian sects and that Catholics even have a much different bible than Protestants? Now you do! Have at it. If Xianity is going to be our national religion we need to narrow it down to the which denomination.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a large difference between having a Congressional chaplain that leads optional services for the chambers of Congress vs the state of Louisiana dictating that one religion's scripture or religious directives be posted in all public classrooms.

The Congressional chaplain is not only responsible for leading Christian prayers, but also for tending to the ministerial needs of all Congressmen. The office of the Chaplain is non-denominational and nonsectarian. While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian, there have been many guest chaplains of many different religions and denominations that have come and held services within their religions for those who want. The office of the chaplain is responsible for handling requests from any sitting Senator or Representative regardless of Faith. So Jewish members can request rabbinical support for Jewish holidays, Muslims can make requests for Eid and so on. And if a non-Christian would like a non-Christian prayer or to invite a non-Christian chaplain to host a prayer or similar invocation for a particular holiday or event, then they do so that Chaplain's office and the Chaplain and staff will work to honor the request. This is entirely in the spirit of the respect for different religions. The majority is Christian and so standard services are Christian. However, the minority is respected and their requests are respected, especially when events of Faith pertinent to them come up.

However, Louisiana is doing the opposite. They want to put up religious directives for one religion only on the walls of every school. This is the government establishing a religion, which is against a violation of 1A. If there were a means whereby members of minorities could request that similar signs for their religions be posted in all classrooms for holidays and special events, then it would be acceptable. But there is no way that they are putting up special notes for Passover or Eid on all walls for students of those religions.

Congress said that they have an office to address all religious requests from anyone, including minorities. Louisiana is saying you need to be part of the majority and that we only teach to the majority. Those in the minority need to follow the majority or be ignored. Completely different messaging. The former is Constitutional and the latter is not.

“While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian”

Because the majority of elected government officials are Christian.

Of course, but there is still an office that is non-sectarian and non-demoninational that is there for minority requests. They acknowledge the majority while offering a path for minorities.
Unlike the 10 commandments on the wall, there is no way for minority religions to have their own moral messages posted for the respect of minorities. There is no path for requesting similar services for minorities in Louisiana's proposed law. It completely ignores one of the founding tenets of creating our new nation, for religious minorities to escape from the oppressiveness of the religious majority and the lack of respect for minority religions. They fled so that as a minority, they could still practice their religion and have their religion represented. Louisiana is saying if you aren't part of the religious majority, we don't care about you.

Louisiana's actions are about as un-American as you can get.

Nope. The government prays and has prayer breakfasts and chaplains and they are majority Christian and we pay for it. Other religious people come to our country because they know we don’t have a state mandated religion and total religious freedom, but that doesn’t mean we have to stop practicing our Christianity. Christians being Christian don’t oppress other religions people. It’s ironic that other religions come here to freely practice their religion, but if we practice Christianity, we are “oppressing” other religions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a large difference between having a Congressional chaplain that leads optional services for the chambers of Congress vs the state of Louisiana dictating that one religion's scripture or religious directives be posted in all public classrooms.

The Congressional chaplain is not only responsible for leading Christian prayers, but also for tending to the ministerial needs of all Congressmen. The office of the Chaplain is non-denominational and nonsectarian. While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian, there have been many guest chaplains of many different religions and denominations that have come and held services within their religions for those who want. The office of the chaplain is responsible for handling requests from any sitting Senator or Representative regardless of Faith. So Jewish members can request rabbinical support for Jewish holidays, Muslims can make requests for Eid and so on. And if a non-Christian would like a non-Christian prayer or to invite a non-Christian chaplain to host a prayer or similar invocation for a particular holiday or event, then they do so that Chaplain's office and the Chaplain and staff will work to honor the request. This is entirely in the spirit of the respect for different religions. The majority is Christian and so standard services are Christian. However, the minority is respected and their requests are respected, especially when events of Faith pertinent to them come up.

However, Louisiana is doing the opposite. They want to put up religious directives for one religion only on the walls of every school. This is the government establishing a religion, which is against a violation of 1A. If there were a means whereby members of minorities could request that similar signs for their religions be posted in all classrooms for holidays and special events, then it would be acceptable. But there is no way that they are putting up special notes for Passover or Eid on all walls for students of those religions.

Congress said that they have an office to address all religious requests from anyone, including minorities. Louisiana is saying you need to be part of the majority and that we only teach to the majority. Those in the minority need to follow the majority or be ignored. Completely different messaging. The former is Constitutional and the latter is not.

“While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian”

Because the majority of elected government officials are Christian.

Louisiana's actions are about as un-American as you can get.

Un-liberal yes, un-American not so much.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a large difference between having a Congressional chaplain that leads optional services for the chambers of Congress vs the state of Louisiana dictating that one religion's scripture or religious directives be posted in all public classrooms.

The Congressional chaplain is not only responsible for leading Christian prayers, but also for tending to the ministerial needs of all Congressmen. The office of the Chaplain is non-denominational and nonsectarian. While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian, there have been many guest chaplains of many different religions and denominations that have come and held services within their religions for those who want. The office of the chaplain is responsible for handling requests from any sitting Senator or Representative regardless of Faith. So Jewish members can request rabbinical support for Jewish holidays, Muslims can make requests for Eid and so on. And if a non-Christian would like a non-Christian prayer or to invite a non-Christian chaplain to host a prayer or similar invocation for a particular holiday or event, then they do so that Chaplain's office and the Chaplain and staff will work to honor the request. This is entirely in the spirit of the respect for different religions. The majority is Christian and so standard services are Christian. However, the minority is respected and their requests are respected, especially when events of Faith pertinent to them come up.

However, Louisiana is doing the opposite. They want to put up religious directives for one religion only on the walls of every school. This is the government establishing a religion, which is against a violation of 1A. If there were a means whereby members of minorities could request that similar signs for their religions be posted in all classrooms for holidays and special events, then it would be acceptable. But there is no way that they are putting up special notes for Passover or Eid on all walls for students of those religions.

Congress said that they have an office to address all religious requests from anyone, including minorities. Louisiana is saying you need to be part of the majority and that we only teach to the majority. Those in the minority need to follow the majority or be ignored. Completely different messaging. The former is Constitutional and the latter is not.

“While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian”

Because the majority of elected government officials are Christian.

Louisiana's actions are about as un-American as you can get.

Un-liberal yes, un-American not so much.

Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of the Old Testament was written during the Iron Age (1200 BC – 500 BC) and the entire New Testament was written in the 1st Century AD and entirely postdates both the periods referred to as the Bronze Age and the Iron Age.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone already knows (and ignores) the Ten Commandments. Education is about learning new things. As a teacher of white bread affluent kids, I have a duty to complement what they are learning at home, not just reinforce it. The parents will teach the kids not to murder or steal. But the parents of my students will NOT teach them to be tolerant and understanding of gay or gender non-conforming kids or kids. The parents themselves are not tolerant! This is where public education plays a role. We want a tolerant society where differences are respected and honored. Especially by the rich white kids from homophobic and transphobic family backgrounds. During Pride Month, schools have plenty of important things to display on the walls without putting up the judgy theocratic Ten Commandments!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a large difference between having a Congressional chaplain that leads optional services for the chambers of Congress vs the state of Louisiana dictating that one religion's scripture or religious directives be posted in all public classrooms.

The Congressional chaplain is not only responsible for leading Christian prayers, but also for tending to the ministerial needs of all Congressmen. The office of the Chaplain is non-denominational and nonsectarian. While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian, there have been many guest chaplains of many different religions and denominations that have come and held services within their religions for those who want. The office of the chaplain is responsible for handling requests from any sitting Senator or Representative regardless of Faith. So Jewish members can request rabbinical support for Jewish holidays, Muslims can make requests for Eid and so on. And if a non-Christian would like a non-Christian prayer or to invite a non-Christian chaplain to host a prayer or similar invocation for a particular holiday or event, then they do so that Chaplain's office and the Chaplain and staff will work to honor the request. This is entirely in the spirit of the respect for different religions. The majority is Christian and so standard services are Christian. However, the minority is respected and their requests are respected, especially when events of Faith pertinent to them come up.

However, Louisiana is doing the opposite. They want to put up religious directives for one religion only on the walls of every school. This is the government establishing a religion, which is against a violation of 1A. If there were a means whereby members of minorities could request that similar signs for their religions be posted in all classrooms for holidays and special events, then it would be acceptable. But there is no way that they are putting up special notes for Passover or Eid on all walls for students of those religions.

Congress said that they have an office to address all religious requests from anyone, including minorities. Louisiana is saying you need to be part of the majority and that we only teach to the majority. Those in the minority need to follow the majority or be ignored. Completely different messaging. The former is Constitutional and the latter is not.

“While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian”

Because the majority of elected government officials are Christian.

Louisiana's actions are about as un-American as you can get.