Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 11:56     Subject: Re:Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:


This kind of nonsense demonstrates a complete ignorance of how the regulatory process works. NO, agencies cannot just invent new laws out of thin air, and there IS oversight and accountability. Every regulation cites the enabling / authorizing statute for the rulemaking and every rulemaking goes through public comment, review and approval before it goes into effect. Proposed rulemaking is submitted to both houses of Congress as well as the Government Accountability Office for review and approval or overturn. Congress has oversight hearings on rulemaking. Congress has the power to modify or repeal regulations. That's all under the Congressional Review Act. The Administrative Procedure Act also gives industry, academia, stakeholders and the public opportunity to review and provide comment on proposed rules as well.

It is the height of dishonesty and ignorance that the Republicans have promoted this complete mythology of "unelected bureaucrats creating thin air with no oversight." That's always been a bald-faced lie. And now SCOTUS has seriously undermined the ability of Executive Branch agencies to function coherently along with burdening Congress and lower courts with all of this.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 11:52     Subject: Re:Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:




I think he’s Bidening the truth here. What kid wants to grow up to be a bureaucrat at a worthless government agency.

If there’s any truth to this, hopefully he aims higher in life.


So the solution is to let the corporations do whatever they want? Rely on SCOTUS to come up with every niche answer? Congress isn’t able to govern at this micro enabling level. But this will hurt Trump’s ability to do anything either because everything will be bogged down in courts.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 11:46     Subject: Re:Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For those who don't understand what Chevron Deference is, and why SCOTUS ended it, here's the long and short of it:

A family fishing company, Loper Bright Enterprises, was being driven out of business, because they couldn't afford the $700 per day they were being charged by the National Marine Fisheries Service to monitor their company.

The thing is, federal law doesn't authorize NMFS to charge businesses for this. They just decided to start doing it in 2013.

Why did they think they could away with just charging people without any legal authorization?

Because in 1984, in the Chevron decision, the Supreme Court decided that regulatory agencies were the "experts" in their field, and the courts should just defer to their "interpretation" of the law.

So for the past 40 years, federal agencies have been able to "interpret" laws to mean whatever they want, and the courts had to just go with it.

It was called Chevron Deference, and it put bureaucrats in charge of the country.

It's how the OHSA was able to decide that everyone who worked for a large company had to get the jab, or be fired.

No law gave them that authority, they just made it up.

It's how the ATF was able to decide a piece of plastic was a "machine gun".

It's how the NCRS was able to decide that a small puddle was a "protected wetlands".

It's how out-of-control agencies have been able to create rules out of thin air, and force you to comply, and the courts had to simply defer to them, because they were the "experts".

Imagine if your local police could just arrest you, for any reason, and no judge or jury was allowed to determine if you'd actually committed a crime or not. Just off to jail you go.

That's what Chevron Deference was.

It was not only blatantly unconstitutional, it caused immeasurable harm to everyone.

Thankfully, it's now gone.

We haven't even begun to feel the effects of this decision in the courts. It will be used, for years to come, to roll back federal agencies, and we'll all be better of for it.

And that's why politicians and corporate media are freaking out about it.


The Republicans in the 1980s created Chevron because they didn't like how liberal judges were interpreting ambiguities in statutes.

It's amazing to see conservatives completely ignore this history and become brain-eating zombies in the other direction. Agency experts making "reasonable" interpretations is what y'all wanted in 1984!

Here's Scalia's treatise on Chevron from 1989: https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blog/Judicial-Deference-to-Administrative-Interpretations-of-Law.pdf



Hasn’t the Biden administration been quite successful in getting lots of federal judges confirmed?


Presidebt Obama did this as well.


But not the ones that have been grabbing power and changing laws nationally - the Supreme Court.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 11:44     Subject: Re:Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:




I think he’s Bidening the truth here. What kid wants to grow up to be a bureaucrat at a worthless government agency.

If there’s any truth to this, hopefully he aims higher in life.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 11:41     Subject: Re:Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 19:57     Subject: Bye-bye Chevron

OMG - the whining is epic.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 19:55     Subject: Re:Bye-bye Chevron

Koch will get what is coming to him. People aren’t going to watch their kids get cancer from his filthy polluting companies and just say oh well, it’s Gods will. They’ll get their justice, whether that’s from courts or from the natural law.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 18:43     Subject: Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So how will Trump impose all of these protectionist tarriffs and duties? Department of Commerce can't do it and I doubt Congress can get their act together (assuming a R House and S).

What about EOs that Presidents have used to circumvent the regulatory process? Will those be invalid as well as Executive encroachment on the legislative branch?


No. King Trump will be permitted to do as he pleases. Immunity, unitary executive.


Trump is immune but if Biden does anything to legally execute his powers, they want to prosecute him. Such hypocrisy.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 18:02     Subject: Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So how will Trump impose all of these protectionist tarriffs and duties? Department of Commerce can't do it and I doubt Congress can get their act together (assuming a R House and S).

What about EOs that Presidents have used to circumvent the regulatory process? Will those be invalid as well as Executive encroachment on the legislative branch?


No. King Trump will be permitted to do as he pleases. Immunity, unitary executive.




You can’t actually be an American if you think that’s funny.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 18:00     Subject: Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So how will Trump impose all of these protectionist tarriffs and duties? Department of Commerce can't do it and I doubt Congress can get their act together (assuming a R House and S).

What about EOs that Presidents have used to circumvent the regulatory process? Will those be invalid as well as Executive encroachment on the legislative branch?


No. King Trump will be permitted to do as he pleases. Immunity, unitary executive.


Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 17:56     Subject: Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:So how will Trump impose all of these protectionist tarriffs and duties? Department of Commerce can't do it and I doubt Congress can get their act together (assuming a R House and S).

What about EOs that Presidents have used to circumvent the regulatory process? Will those be invalid as well as Executive encroachment on the legislative branch?


No. King Trump will be permitted to do as he pleases. Immunity, unitary executive.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 17:54     Subject: Bye-bye Chevron

So how will Trump impose all of these protectionist tarriffs and duties? Department of Commerce can't do it and I doubt Congress can get their act together (assuming a R House and S).

What about EOs that Presidents have used to circumvent the regulatory process? Will those be invalid as well as Executive encroachment on the legislative branch?
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2024 20:39     Subject: Bye-bye Chevron

I think this will backfire on R’s.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2024 15:51     Subject: Re:Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For those who don't understand what Chevron Deference is, and why SCOTUS ended it, here's the long and short of it:

A family fishing company, Loper Bright Enterprises, was being driven out of business, because they couldn't afford the $700 per day they were being charged by the National Marine Fisheries Service to monitor their company.

The thing is, federal law doesn't authorize NMFS to charge businesses for this. They just decided to start doing it in 2013.

Why did they think they could away with just charging people without any legal authorization?

Because in 1984, in the Chevron decision, the Supreme Court decided that regulatory agencies were the "experts" in their field, and the courts should just defer to their "interpretation" of the law.

So for the past 40 years, federal agencies have been able to "interpret" laws to mean whatever they want, and the courts had to just go with it.

It was called Chevron Deference, and it put bureaucrats in charge of the country.

It's how the OHSA was able to decide that everyone who worked for a large company had to get the jab, or be fired.

No law gave them that authority, they just made it up.

It's how the ATF was able to decide a piece of plastic was a "machine gun".

It's how the NCRS was able to decide that a small puddle was a "protected wetlands".

It's how out-of-control agencies have been able to create rules out of thin air, and force you to comply, and the courts had to simply defer to them, because they were the "experts".

Imagine if your local police could just arrest you, for any reason, and no judge or jury was allowed to determine if you'd actually committed a crime or not. Just off to jail you go.

That's what Chevron Deference was.

It was not only blatantly unconstitutional, it caused immeasurable harm to everyone.

Thankfully, it's now gone.

We haven't even begun to feel the effects of this decision in the courts. It will be used, for years to come, to roll back federal agencies, and we'll all be better of for it.

And that's why politicians and corporate media are freaking out about it.


The Republicans in the 1980s created Chevron because they didn't like how liberal judges were interpreting ambiguities in statutes.

It's amazing to see conservatives completely ignore this history and become brain-eating zombies in the other direction. Agency experts making "reasonable" interpretations is what y'all wanted in 1984!

Here's Scalia's treatise on Chevron from 1989: https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blog/Judicial-Deference-to-Administrative-Interpretations-of-Law.pdf



Hasn’t the Biden administration been quite successful in getting lots of federal judges confirmed?


Presidebt Obama did this as well.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2024 13:27     Subject: Re:Bye-bye Chevron

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

For those who don't understand what Chevron Deference is, and why SCOTUS ended it, here's the long and short of it:

A family fishing company, Loper Bright Enterprises, was being driven out of business, because they couldn't afford the $700 per day they were being charged by the National Marine Fisheries Service to monitor their company.

The thing is, federal law doesn't authorize NMFS to charge businesses for this. They just decided to start doing it in 2013.

Why did they think they could away with just charging people without any legal authorization?

Because in 1984, in the Chevron decision, the Supreme Court decided that regulatory agencies were the "experts" in their field, and the courts should just defer to their "interpretation" of the law.

So for the past 40 years, federal agencies have been able to "interpret" laws to mean whatever they want, and the courts had to just go with it.

It was called Chevron Deference, and it put bureaucrats in charge of the country.

It's how the OHSA was able to decide that everyone who worked for a large company had to get the jab, or be fired.

No law gave them that authority, they just made it up.

It's how the ATF was able to decide a piece of plastic was a "machine gun".

It's how the NCRS was able to decide that a small puddle was a "protected wetlands".

It's how out-of-control agencies have been able to create rules out of thin air, and force you to comply, and the courts had to simply defer to them, because they were the "experts".

Imagine if your local police could just arrest you, for any reason, and no judge or jury was allowed to determine if you'd actually committed a crime or not. Just off to jail you go.

That's what Chevron Deference was.

It was not only blatantly unconstitutional, it caused immeasurable harm to everyone.

Thankfully, it's now gone.

We haven't even begun to feel the effects of this decision in the courts. It will be used, for years to come, to roll back federal agencies, and we'll all be better of for it.

And that's why politicians and corporate media are freaking out about it.


The Republicans in the 1980s created Chevron because they didn't like how liberal judges were interpreting ambiguities in statutes.

It's amazing to see conservatives completely ignore this history and become brain-eating zombies in the other direction. Agency experts making "reasonable" interpretations is what y'all wanted in 1984!

Here's Scalia's treatise on Chevron from 1989: https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blog/Judicial-Deference-to-Administrative-Interpretations-of-Law.pdf



Hasn’t the Biden administration been quite successful in getting lots of federal judges confirmed?