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Anonymous wrote:Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

To me Lopez painted women and indigenous people as irrational, incompetent, and impulsive
-Both female lead detectives were terrible at their jobs. Couldn't figure out that a dozen random cleaning ladies stormed the station on initial investigation. Couldn't figure out the caves were under the station when they had a map. Killed or attacked the domestic violence guys in the only other cases we saw them investigate. Let the cleaning ladies go. Encouraged the coverup of the elder Prior's death
-Cop and her sister commit suicide because they see ghosts. To me it is insulting to portray that suicide is a noble death for the indigenous women and they did it twice!
-Cleaning ladies find a drill bit six years after the fact and decide storming the station and killing the ALL the scientists is the way to go without any evidence which scientists actually killed Annie

The most redeeming characters were the young male cop (killed his dad), Rose (disposed of bodies) and the bar guy.

I think you're misunderstanding the native cleaning women. They found the drill bit and began to surmise that the scientists killed Annie, but then investigated around the station to try to figure out why. We saw them opening up the file cabinets etc and looking at the research. So they came to understand that the scientists had not just killed Annie, but that the mine was responsible for polluting the area and effectively killing residents. So they engaged in some frontier justice, as many before have done. You seem to find this bad writing, but this kind of thing was the basis of a lot of very macho Clint Eastwood movies so I'm not sure what you're complaining about really, should be right up your alley.

I enjoyed the first season more -- it was creepier and the way the leads played off one another was more entertaining to me -- some of the scenes where Harrelson is just begging for McCaunaghy not to say anything weird for two minutes still make me laugh years later. But I thought the mystery this season was a pretty good tbh, and I enjoyed that the mystery of Annie's death was actually "solved" by an unexpected, marginalized, discounted group rather than the law enforcement people usually at the center of this show.

Just finished the season. Loved it. Some people just can’t stand non-white males being centered in a story.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

To me Lopez painted women and indigenous people as irrational, incompetent, and impulsive
-Both female lead detectives were terrible at their jobs. Couldn't figure out that a dozen random cleaning ladies stormed the station on initial investigation. Couldn't figure out the caves were under the station when they had a map. Killed or attacked the domestic violence guys in the only other cases we saw them investigate. Let the cleaning ladies go. Encouraged the coverup of the elder Prior's death
-Cop and her sister commit suicide because they see ghosts. To me it is insulting to portray that suicide is a noble death for the indigenous women and they did it twice!
-Cleaning ladies find a drill bit six years after the fact and decide storming the station and killing the ALL the scientists is the way to go without any evidence which scientists actually killed Annie

The most redeeming characters were the young male cop (killed his dad), Rose (disposed of bodies) and the bar guy.

I think you're misunderstanding the native cleaning women. They found the drill bit and began to surmise that the scientists killed Annie, but then investigated around the station to try to figure out why. We saw them opening up the file cabinets etc and looking at the research. So they came to understand that the scientists had not just killed Annie, but that the mine was responsible for polluting the area and effectively killing residents. So they engaged in some frontier justice, as many before have done. You seem to find this bad writing, but this kind of thing was the basis of a lot of very macho Clint Eastwood movies so I'm not sure what you're complaining about really, should be right up your alley.

I enjoyed the first season more -- it was creepier and the way the leads played off one another was more entertaining to me -- some of the scenes where Harrelson is just begging for McCaunaghy not to say anything weird for two minutes still make me laugh years later. But I thought the mystery this season was a pretty good tbh, and I enjoyed that the mystery of Annie's death was actually "solved" by an unexpected, marginalized, discounted group rather than the law enforcement people usually at the center of this show.

Just finished the season. Loved it. Some people just can’t stand non-white males being centered in a story.

This argument doesn’t make sense for True Detective, which already *has* a season focused on a Black detective that was much better than this one (Season 3, and if you are looking for shows with a strong POC lead, you should check it out). While reviews were mixed (I personally thought it was better than many people gave it credit for, but I liked season 2 as well), it prompted nothing like the negative reaction fans of the series had for S4. It’s pretty sad when people try to dismiss the many aesthetic criticisms of the train-wreck of Season 4 by implying the critics are racist. I guess that’s just how people roll these days.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

To me Lopez painted women and indigenous people as irrational, incompetent, and impulsive
-Both female lead detectives were terrible at their jobs. Couldn't figure out that a dozen random cleaning ladies stormed the station on initial investigation. Couldn't figure out the caves were under the station when they had a map. Killed or attacked the domestic violence guys in the only other cases we saw them investigate. Let the cleaning ladies go. Encouraged the coverup of the elder Prior's death
-Cop and her sister commit suicide because they see ghosts. To me it is insulting to portray that suicide is a noble death for the indigenous women and they did it twice!
-Cleaning ladies find a drill bit six years after the fact and decide storming the station and killing the ALL the scientists is the way to go without any evidence which scientists actually killed Annie

The most redeeming characters were the young male cop (killed his dad), Rose (disposed of bodies) and the bar guy.

I think you're misunderstanding the native cleaning women. They found the drill bit and began to surmise that the scientists killed Annie, but then investigated around the station to try to figure out why. We saw them opening up the file cabinets etc and looking at the research. So they came to understand that the scientists had not just killed Annie, but that the mine was responsible for polluting the area and effectively killing residents. So they engaged in some frontier justice, as many before have done. You seem to find this bad writing, but this kind of thing was the basis of a lot of very macho Clint Eastwood movies so I'm not sure what you're complaining about really, should be right up your alley.

I enjoyed the first season more -- it was creepier and the way the leads played off one another was more entertaining to me -- some of the scenes where Harrelson is just begging for McCaunaghy not to say anything weird for two minutes still make me laugh years later. But I thought the mystery this season was a pretty good tbh, and I enjoyed that the mystery of Annie's death was actually "solved" by an unexpected, marginalized, discounted group rather than the law enforcement people usually at the center of this show.

Just finished the season. Loved it. Some people just can’t stand non-white males being centered in a story.

This argument doesn’t make sense for True Detective, which already *has* a season focused on a Black detective that was much better than this one (Season 3, and if you are looking for shows with a strong POC lead, you should check it out). While reviews were mixed (I personally thought it was better than many people gave it credit for, but I liked season 2 as well), it prompted nothing like the negative reaction fans of the series had for S4. It’s pretty sad when people try to dismiss the many aesthetic criticisms of the train-wreck of Season 4 by implying the critics are racist. I guess that’s just how people roll these days.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t mind it. It’s a television show. Junk food for the mind. It’s not meant to be realistic or believable. It was good enough to tune in every week. They’ll never match season one and that’s ok.

True Detective went from being a high quality artistic show to low quality junk. I don’t mind watching junk, I like the Housewives series. BUT I expected high quality in writing, directing, cinematography and acting from the True Detective name. This season didn’t deliver on any of that, hence the major disappointment. The writing especially was horrible.

It’s like buying a Chanel bag at an high end department store and finding out it’s a fake you could have purchased in Chinatown. I would be livid if I were Nic Pizzolatto. Hell, I’m livid as just a spectator.

Yeah honey, you’re definitely overthinking it. And it was not that bad

No, no overthinking going on. I got a bait and switch. I thought I was in for a high quality detective series (which all three of the previous seasons were), but I got Netflix/CW quality junk. I won’t bother watching any of the next season because I don’t like being tricked and expect a little respect as a viewer.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

To me Lopez painted women and indigenous people as irrational, incompetent, and impulsive
-Both female lead detectives were terrible at their jobs. Couldn't figure out that a dozen random cleaning ladies stormed the station on initial investigation. Couldn't figure out the caves were under the station when they had a map. Killed or attacked the domestic violence guys in the only other cases we saw them investigate. Let the cleaning ladies go. Encouraged the coverup of the elder Prior's death
-Cop and her sister commit suicide because they see ghosts. To me it is insulting to portray that suicide is a noble death for the indigenous women and they did it twice!
-Cleaning ladies find a drill bit six years after the fact and decide storming the station and killing the ALL the scientists is the way to go without any evidence which scientists actually killed Annie

The most redeeming characters were the young male cop (killed his dad), Rose (disposed of bodies) and the bar guy.

I think you're misunderstanding the native cleaning women. They found the drill bit and began to surmise that the scientists killed Annie, but then investigated around the station to try to figure out why. We saw them opening up the file cabinets etc and looking at the research. So they came to understand that the scientists had not just killed Annie, but that the mine was responsible for polluting the area and effectively killing residents. So they engaged in some frontier justice, as many before have done. You seem to find this bad writing, but this kind of thing was the basis of a lot of very macho Clint Eastwood movies so I'm not sure what you're complaining about really, should be right up your alley.

I enjoyed the first season more -- it was creepier and the way the leads played off one another was more entertaining to me -- some of the scenes where Harrelson is just begging for McCaunaghy not to say anything weird for two minutes still make me laugh years later. But I thought the mystery this season was a pretty good tbh, and I enjoyed that the mystery of Annie's death was actually "solved" by an unexpected, marginalized, discounted group rather than the law enforcement people usually at the center of this show.

Just finished the season. Loved it. Some people just can’t stand non-white males being centered in a story.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t mind it. It’s a television show. Junk food for the mind. It’s not meant to be realistic or believable. It was good enough to tune in every week. They’ll never match season one and that’s ok.

True Detective went from being a high quality artistic show to low quality junk. I don’t mind watching junk, I like the Housewives series. BUT I expected high quality in writing, directing, cinematography and acting from the True Detective name. This season didn’t deliver on any of that, hence the major disappointment. The writing especially was horrible.

It’s like buying a Chanel bag at an high end department store and finding out it’s a fake you could have purchased in Chinatown. I would be livid if I were Nic Pizzolatto. Hell, I’m livid as just a spectator.

Precisely. Junk TV has its place, for sure. But True Detective isn’t supposed to be junk, and this season was.

That’s like your opinion, man.

Anonymous wrote:^ I think people are responding to the whole "the white guys were he bad people" whining, the whining that the show was too "woke" and posts from they beginning of this thread. You know, like the person who said she just wanted to watch a show about regular people, not the "group of the day" or whatever.

Pretty sure no one levied the racist comment until people started acting like...racists.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

To me Lopez painted women and indigenous people as irrational, incompetent, and impulsive
-Both female lead detectives were terrible at their jobs. Couldn't figure out that a dozen random cleaning ladies stormed the station on initial investigation. Couldn't figure out the caves were under the station when they had a map. Killed or attacked the domestic violence guys in the only other cases we saw them investigate. Let the cleaning ladies go. Encouraged the coverup of the elder Prior's death
-Cop and her sister commit suicide because they see ghosts. To me it is insulting to portray that suicide is a noble death for the indigenous women and they did it twice!
-Cleaning ladies find a drill bit six years after the fact and decide storming the station and killing the ALL the scientists is the way to go without any evidence which scientists actually killed Annie

The most redeeming characters were the young male cop (killed his dad), Rose (disposed of bodies) and the bar guy.

I think you're misunderstanding the native cleaning women. They found the drill bit and began to surmise that the scientists killed Annie, but then investigated around the station to try to figure out why. We saw them opening up the file cabinets etc and looking at the research. So they came to understand that the scientists had not just killed Annie, but that the mine was responsible for polluting the area and effectively killing residents. So they engaged in some frontier justice, as many before have done. You seem to find this bad writing, but this kind of thing was the basis of a lot of very macho Clint Eastwood movies so I'm not sure what you're complaining about really, should be right up your alley.

I enjoyed the first season more -- it was creepier and the way the leads played off one another was more entertaining to me -- some of the scenes where Harrelson is just begging for McCaunaghy not to say anything weird for two minutes still make me laugh years later. But I thought the mystery this season was a pretty good tbh, and I enjoyed that the mystery of Annie's death was actually "solved" by an unexpected, marginalized, discounted group rather than the law enforcement people usually at the center of this show.

Just finished the season. Loved it. Some people just can’t stand non-white males being centered in a story.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t mind it. It’s a television show. Junk food for the mind. It’s not meant to be realistic or believable. It was good enough to tune in every week. They’ll never match season one and that’s ok.

True Detective went from being a high quality artistic show to low quality junk. I don’t mind watching junk, I like the Housewives series. BUT I expected high quality in writing, directing, cinematography and acting from the True Detective name. This season didn’t deliver on any of that, hence the major disappointment. The writing especially was horrible.

It’s like buying a Chanel bag at an high end department store and finding out it’s a fake you could have purchased in Chinatown. I would be livid if I were Nic Pizzolatto. Hell, I’m livid as just a spectator.

Yeah honey, you’re definitely overthinking it. And it was not that bad

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

To me Lopez painted women and indigenous people as irrational, incompetent, and impulsive
-Both female lead detectives were terrible at their jobs. Couldn't figure out that a dozen random cleaning ladies stormed the station on initial investigation. Couldn't figure out the caves were under the station when they had a map. Killed or attacked the domestic violence guys in the only other cases we saw them investigate. Let the cleaning ladies go. Encouraged the coverup of the elder Prior's death
-Cop and her sister commit suicide because they see ghosts. To me it is insulting to portray that suicide is a noble death for the indigenous women and they did it twice!
-Cleaning ladies find a drill bit six years after the fact and decide storming the station and killing the ALL the scientists is the way to go without any evidence which scientists actually killed Annie

The most redeeming characters were the young male cop (killed his dad), Rose (disposed of bodies) and the bar guy.

I think you're misunderstanding the native cleaning women. They found the drill bit and began to surmise that the scientists killed Annie, but then investigated around the station to try to figure out why. We saw them opening up the file cabinets etc and looking at the research. So they came to understand that the scientists had not just killed Annie, but that the mine was responsible for polluting the area and effectively killing residents. So they engaged in some frontier justice, as many before have done. You seem to find this bad writing, but this kind of thing was the basis of a lot of very macho Clint Eastwood movies so I'm not sure what you're complaining about really, should be right up your alley.

I enjoyed the first season more -- it was creepier and the way the leads played off one another was more entertaining to me -- some of the scenes where Harrelson is just begging for McCaunaghy not to say anything weird for two minutes still make me laugh years later. But I thought the mystery this season was a pretty good tbh, and I enjoyed that the mystery of Annie's death was actually "solved" by an unexpected, marginalized, discounted group rather than the law enforcement people usually at the center of this show.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well haters, the ratings were fantastic and Issa got the next season. I love that a woman told a story about the oppression of indigenous people (especially women), and the nature of trauma and grief.

To me Lopez painted women and indigenous people as irrational, incompetent, and impulsive
-Both female lead detectives were terrible at their jobs. Couldn't figure out that a dozen random cleaning ladies stormed the station on initial investigation. Couldn't figure out the caves were under the station when they had a map. Killed or attacked the domestic violence guys in the only other cases we saw them investigate. Let the cleaning ladies go. Encouraged the coverup of the elder Prior's death
-Cop and her sister commit suicide because they see ghosts. To me it is insulting to portray that suicide is a noble death for the indigenous women and they did it twice!
-Cleaning ladies find a drill bit six years after the fact and decide storming the station and killing the ALL the scientists is the way to go without any evidence which scientists actually killed Annie

The most redeeming characters were the young male cop (killed his dad), Rose (disposed of bodies) and the bar guy.

I think you're misunderstanding the native cleaning women. They found the drill bit and began to surmise that the scientists killed Annie, but then investigated around the station to try to figure out why. We saw them opening up the file cabinets etc and looking at the research. So they came to understand that the scientists had not just killed Annie, but that the mine was responsible for polluting the area and effectively killing residents. So they engaged in some frontier justice, as many before have done. You seem to find this bad writing, but this kind of thing was the basis of a lot of very macho Clint Eastwood movies so I'm not sure what you're complaining about really, should be right up your alley.

I enjoyed the first season more -- it was creepier and the way the leads played off one another was more entertaining to me -- some of the scenes where Harrelson is just begging for McCaunaghy not to say anything weird for two minutes still make me laugh years later. But I thought the mystery this season was a pretty good tbh, and I enjoyed that the mystery of Annie's death was actually "solved" by an unexpected, marginalized, discounted group rather than the law enforcement people usually at the center of this show.