Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:40     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
My kid is at maybe the third best jesuit HS in NYC and our ND numbers last year were 6 out of 20.

Fit goes both ways.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:39     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another post has a link to the college acceptances over the last three years at Harvard-Westlake. 59 of 62 applicants got into Kenyon, way more than any other better known LAC. This confirms what I’ve said all along: it’s a rich kid school and it’s a second choice for everyone.


It's a first choice for many, and it keeps getting better. It's beautiful, the dining hall is straight out of Hogwarts, the writing program is outstanding, and the sports programs are amazing, especially in swimming/diving (tennis is also excellent). Any kid who gets to attend Kenyon, Denison, Oberlin, Wooster, or Ohio Wesleyan is very fortunate and will have every opportunity to receive a world-class undergraduate education.


All of this may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a second choice for the vast majority of its applicants. It has one of the lowest yields around. These are facts, not opinions.


A PP said it was a "second choice for everyone," which is untrue. Some kids fall in love with the place, and for them, it is a first choice. Yield rates don't necessarily indicate the actual quality of a school and reflect factors such as application cost and prestige (often overblown). I don't understand the need to denigrate an excellent school that may be the perfect fit for the right kid.


I’d be real interested to hear how “application cost” has anything to do with yield. Yield refers to what happens after a student has already applied and been accepted. You’re not making any sense.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:37     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another post has a link to the college acceptances over the last three years at Harvard-Westlake. A whopping 59 of 62 applicants got into Kenyon, way more than any other better known LAC. This confirms what I’ve said all along: it’s a rich kid school and it’s a second choice for everyone.


Harvard-Westlake produces high-achieving students and has high average SAT and ACT scores that would make the average H-W student attractive to Kenyon. If Harvard-Westlake is funneling kids into Kenyon, it's probably because the school counselors are getting positive feedback from their Kenyon matriculants, and a school like that probably has pretty good school counselors.


Nope. At Amherst it was 6 of 33. At UVA 12 of 62. At Notre Dame 2 of 19. Even at Michigan it’s 87 of 210. The list goes on. The “average” H-W student isn’t getting into these schools. Also, it isn’t just the “average” H-W student getting into Kenyon. It’s virtually all of them!
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:28     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another post has a link to the college acceptances over the last three years at Harvard-Westlake. 59 of 62 applicants got into Kenyon, way more than any other better known LAC. This confirms what I’ve said all along: it’s a rich kid school and it’s a second choice for everyone.


It's a first choice for many, and it keeps getting better. It's beautiful, the dining hall is straight out of Hogwarts, the writing program is outstanding, and the sports programs are amazing, especially in swimming/diving (tennis is also excellent). Any kid who gets to attend Kenyon, Denison, Oberlin, Wooster, or Ohio Wesleyan is very fortunate and will have every opportunity to receive a world-class undergraduate education.


All of this may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a second choice for the vast majority of its applicants. It has one of the lowest yields around. These are facts, not opinions.


A PP said it was a "second choice for everyone," which is untrue. Some kids fall in love with the place, and for them, it is a first choice. Yield rates don't necessarily indicate the actual quality of a school and reflect factors such as application cost and prestige (often overblown). I don't understand the need to denigrate an excellent school that may be the perfect fit for the right kid.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:23     Subject: Re:Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grinnell is a Plan B for kids who don’t get into Swat or Haverford.

Kenyon is a Plan B for kids who don’t get into a top NESCAC.

Oberlin is just Oberlin. Kids who go there want to be there. It’s not for everyone.


The cluelessness about families' financial considerations is mind-boggling to me.


The dichotomy is insane. Mostly everyone on dcum brags about living on beans and toast, driving 10 year old cars, and having millions in the bank however nobody wants to spend money on their children's education?!


You assume that a more expensive education is a better education per se. That is not the case.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:16     Subject: Re:Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Grinnell is a Plan B for kids who don’t get into Swat or Haverford.

Kenyon is a Plan B for kids who don’t get into a top NESCAC.

Oberlin is just Oberlin. Kids who go there want to be there. It’s not for everyone.


The cluelessness about families' financial considerations is mind-boggling to me.


The dichotomy is insane. Mostly everyone on dcum brags about living on beans and toast, driving 10 year old cars, and having millions in the bank however nobody wants to spend money on their children's education?!


Most people including my family do not have $360K times three kids to spend on their undergraduate educations.

You are out of touch.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:15     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:Another post has a link to the college acceptances over the last three years at Harvard-Westlake. A whopping 59 of 62 applicants got into Kenyon, way more than any other better known LAC. This confirms what I’ve said all along: it’s a rich kid school and it’s a second choice for everyone.


Harvard-Westlake produces high-achieving students and has high average SAT and ACT scores that would make the average H-W student attractive to Kenyon. If Harvard-Westlake is funneling kids into Kenyon, it's probably because the school counselors are getting positive feedback from their Kenyon matriculants, and a school like that probably has pretty good school counselors.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:11     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
DD applies RD to Oberlin. Still waiting to hear. Fingers crossed! Pre-med/biology with a piano performance minor. Hopefully is a good fit.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:07     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another post has a link to the college acceptances over the last three years at Harvard-Westlake. A whopping 59 of 62 applicants got into Kenyon, way more than any other better known LAC. This confirms what I’ve said all along: it’s a rich kid school and it’s a second choice for everyone.


It's a first choice for many, and it keeps getting better. It's beautiful, the dining hall is straight out of Hogwarts, the writing program is outstanding, and the sports programs are amazing, especially in swimming/diving (tennis is also excellent). Any kid who gets to attend Kenyon, Denison, Oberlin, Wooster, or Ohio Wesleyan is very fortunate and will have every opportunity to receive a world-class undergraduate education.


All of this may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a second choice for the vast majority of its applicants. It has one of the lowest yields around. These are facts, not opinions.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:05     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:when there are similar schools on the East Coast? Not trying to be snarky; genuinely wondering what these schools have that a Bates/Bowdoin/Colby/Hamilton does not.


Spots available and money to give. Hamilton (speaking from experience) doesn't really give much, if any money. Oberlin and Kenyon, and Denison (not on this list) give merit. No experience wiht Grinnell.


Grinnell can be very generous with merit. Also no loans.


Yes, Grinnell is generous with both merit and financial aid and is one of the best SLACs in the country.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:04     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:when there are similar schools on the East Coast? Not trying to be snarky; genuinely wondering what these schools have that a Bates/Bowdoin/Colby/Hamilton does not.


Spots available and money to give. Hamilton (speaking from experience) doesn't really give much, if any money. Oberlin and Kenyon, and Denison (not on this list) give merit. No experience wiht Grinnell.


Grinnell can be very generous with merit. Also no loans.


Grinnell guarantees a minimum of $20,000 a year in merit aid if accepted ED
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 13:03     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:Another post has a link to the college acceptances over the last three years at Harvard-Westlake. A whopping 59 of 62 applicants got into Kenyon, way more than any other better known LAC. This confirms what I’ve said all along: it’s a rich kid school and it’s a second choice for everyone.


It's a first choice for many, and it keeps getting better. It's beautiful, the dining hall is straight out of Hogwarts, the writing program is outstanding, and the sports programs are amazing, especially in swimming/diving (tennis is also excellent). Any kid who gets to attend Kenyon, Denison, Oberlin, Wooster, or Ohio Wesleyan is very fortunate and will have every opportunity to receive a world-class undergraduate education.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 12:37     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:when there are similar schools on the East Coast? Not trying to be snarky; genuinely wondering what these schools have that a Bates/Bowdoin/Colby/Hamilton does not.


Spots available and money to give. Hamilton (speaking from experience) doesn't really give much, if any money. Oberlin and Kenyon, and Denison (not on this list) give merit. No experience wiht Grinnell.


Grinnell can be very generous with merit. Also no loans.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 11:54     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Anonymous wrote:when there are similar schools on the East Coast? Not trying to be snarky; genuinely wondering what these schools have that a Bates/Bowdoin/Colby/Hamilton does not.


Spots available and money to give. Hamilton (speaking from experience) doesn't really give much, if any money. Oberlin and Kenyon, and Denison (not on this list) give merit. No experience wiht Grinnell.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2024 11:53     Subject: Why apply to an Oberlin/Kenyon/Grinnell
Another post has a link to the college acceptances over the last three years at Harvard-Westlake. A whopping 59 of 62 applicants got into Kenyon, way more than any other better known LAC. This confirms what I’ve said all along: it’s a rich kid school and it’s a second choice for everyone.