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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
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It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

Please post the image in question here. I would like to see it for myself.

You are perfectly welcome to google the images in question. I'm not about to post it here and then get banned for doing so. Knock yourself out.

Wait - what??!?

You just spent several paragraphs explaining it is NOT porn and appropriate for public school libraries.

If it is not porn, why are you afraid of posting it here? You make no sense at all. Somebody please post it so we can all see it is not porn.

There are multiple people posting.

Stop being obtuse. This has been explained multiple times. Jeff has strict rules around content for his advertising. You can't even post the word "b i t c h". You going to ban all books that include that word in them?

It's not porn. We all know it. The Republicans continue to push this lie to deflect from the fact that they are trying to take away basic rights from women (and LGBTQ). They hope that some rubes will just believe what they say without actually reading the books. I don't know why anyone would believe a word that Rs say. Youngkin even admits that he can't be honest during an election.

It’s not porn, but it cannot be posted on a discussion board for adults ? - and it absolutely must be available to children???

You are obviously a D. And you make zero sense.

There are a lot of things that can't be posted here. That's not the test of anything. Again, deliberately obtuse.

And it's available to teens in the library in some HSs.

Teens in public school can see it, but it cannot be posted here??

At least post a link so parents can see the image you keep arguing about.

At this point, I’m not sure what Google search terms would bring up the image you are defending.

I'm not "arguing" about an image - I'm supporting librarians who have chosen various books depicting the journeys of LGBTQ self discovery. None of these books contain "porn".

If you have no idea what is being discussed, maybe try searching on "Republicans attack books about LGBTQ youth as wedge issue to deflect from their attacks on women"?

DP. Actually, here's a link that should set the record straight. I'm sure you'll enjoy the porn depicted here.

https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-is-stocked-in-school-libraries-across-iowa/

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Anonymous wrote:According to the Washington Post polls, abortion is the second least important issues to voters after trans issues as the least important issue.

Democrats running on culture wars may not play out how they think it will.

Trans issues were a distant last place of issues voters care about

Voters trust Democrats more than Republicans by a 6-point margin.

Republicans care about crime because they think the mean streets of Warrenton are unsafe. But there just aren’t that many Republicans anymore.

Abortion is a massive issue for Democrats and all women (including Republican women and independents).

So, sure. Bring it.

As far as FCPS schools, the whole trans issue seems to occupy almost all of the school systems time, and a significant chunk of money which could be spent on something like academics instead.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly we the democrats have put ourselves in this horrible situation with our focus on equity, DEI, gender dysmorphia (that literally affects 2 % or less of population) blah blah blah Can we just stop with this? These freaking issues are ruining everything we’ve worked for. I’m so tired of having DEI at every school , and it’s all we talk about. It’s ruining our schools and our party

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Anonymous wrote:According to the Washington Post polls, abortion is the second least important issues to voters after trans issues as the least important issue.

Democrats running on culture wars may not play out how they think it will.

Trans issues were a distant last place of issues voters care about

Voters trust Democrats more than Republicans by a 6-point margin.

Republicans care about crime because they think the mean streets of Warrenton are unsafe. But there just aren’t that many Republicans anymore.

Abortion is a massive issue for Democrats and all women (including Republican women and independents).

So, sure. Bring it.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly we the democrats have put ourselves in this horrible situation with our focus on equity, DEI, gender dysmorphia (that literally affects 2 % or less of population) blah blah blah Can we just stop with this? These freaking issues are ruining everything we’ve worked for. I’m so tired of having DEI at every school , and it’s all we talk about. It’s ruining our schools and our party

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I could care less about your uterus, and I am a woman who has spent her entire adult life having women play the uterus card every single Election Day. I care about my DC's schools and the downfall of the quality of education they are receiving as I cannot afford private school nor am I able to help adult DC pay for private school at some point. Second to this, crime and financial security. Those are my issues and that is what I am voting on, can't afford to waste another vote on women's issues.

Abortion goes far beyond women. States that have bans have seen decline in overall healthcare, infant and maternal mortality, increased domestic violence, more hospital closings, reduced new doctors in the state, so not just OBGYN but ALL. When women can control their bodies they are better parents, coworkers, citizens (because they can contribute more in time and $).

This is the United States of America and you’re telling me it’s okay for half the population to not have equal rights? Wow.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly we the democrats have put ourselves in this horrible situation with our focus on equity, DEI, gender dysmorphia (that literally affects 2 % or less of population) blah blah blah Can we just stop with this? These freaking issues are ruining everything we’ve worked for. I’m so tired of having DEI at every school , and it’s all we talk about. It’s ruining our schools and our party

Anonymous wrote:Honestly we the democrats have put ourselves in this horrible situation with our focus on equity, DEI, gender dysmorphia (that literally affects 2 % or less of population) blah blah blah Can we just stop with this? These freaking issues are ruining everything we’ve worked for. I’m so tired of having DEI at every school , and it’s all we talk about. It’s ruining our schools and our party

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry but if the R’s push through a complete ban it won’t last long at all.

I’m voting R this year and it feels weird. The local Dem officials think they can govern incompetently with 0 impunity

You’re voting R for state legislature to spite local Ds?

And willing to throw away women’s rights to do so?

This whole “you have to vote for all Ds or else you are voting to throw away women’s rights” argument is tiresome. Here’s a thought, maybe Ds should take a look in the mirror and realize their stances on crime and schools aren’t popular and adjust accordingly, instead of relying on guilting voters into supporting them based solely on the abortion issue.

That’s your big problem: Democrats’ “stances on crime and school” are PLENTY popular. And the results of elections around the country since Dobbs shows emphatically that abortion is the overriding concern for voters.

Moreover, the fear-based crime messaging only works on uneducated voters. Voters here roll their eyes at the suggestion that there’s a crime problem in the mean streets of Warrenton or Culpeper or Lorton or wherever.

Keep telling yourself that the way Dems are handling crime is popular. Loudoun County parents love the direction their schools have taken too. My town doesn’t have a crime problem, and I don’t want the streets of my town/county to become like DC or even MoCo, so I’m fine with keeping the status quo at our local level with Rs. But keep pushing the abortion issue as the single issue that voters should base their decision on.
-signed an educated voter with a law degree

Thanks, I will. Because it’s the winning issue.

You go on believing phantom menaces if you need to.

My house/ex’s household have already produced 8 votes for Dems in Loudoun. That is me, my two college age children who came home to vote early, my girlfriend, my ex and her boyfriend and his two adult children.

The Republican messaging here is a complete loser.

Crime isn’t a problem, we know full well this is about abortion and Youngkin’s future political ambitions, and we intend to take back our public schools from the lunatics obsessed with marginalizing at-risk students and banning books.

So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric …
Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free?

Yes, I'm 100% ok with that.

And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly.

Jesus. Talk about "seeing YOU clearly" - there is no hyperbole about porn. And no one is "banning" these books. They're all available at your local public library or book store, or Amazon. You'll always be able to do porn storytime with your kids, no worries. Making sure our public school libraries have appropriate reading material is not "banning" anything. But you know that. Thanks for showing - yet again - your true colors.
DP

It’s not porn. No matter how many times you push those Republican lies.

It certainly is. No matter how many times you Democrats continue to gaslight us. Why weren't parents allowed to read aloud from these books in school board meetings? Why are the graphically sexual images in these books deleted from this site when they're posted? We'll wait while you spin something up.

No, it’s not porn. Stop being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/pornography
Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation

If you actually read the books you’d know they weren’t intended for sexual stimulation.

And what is appropriate for a high school student is different than what’s appropriate for a kindergartner. You can’t post the word beetch on DCUM. That’s not really a test of anything.

You have got to be kidding. By now, we've all seen the pictures depicting two girls having oral sex (with a dildo), the description of the vibrator, the phone/texting sex conversation, the description and recollection of a childhood sexual experience, etc. Good grief. You seem intent on gaslighting away the graphically sexual images in these books.

Talk about deliberately obtuse. No one takes you seriously at this point.

It takes a special sort of sheltered conservative fuddy-duddy not to understand that fiction can describe sex, or even depict sex, in ways that aren't sexual arousing or intended to be.

It takes a special sort of LWNJ twit to ASSume that anyone who disagrees with them must be a "conservative fuddy-duddy." It's also amusing that you think teens reading those books aren't sexually aroused by the explicit descriptions and graphics.

No, it's the assumption that any description or depiction of sex must be arousing that makes someone a conservative fuddy-duddy. It suggests a basic misunderstanding of how storytelling works, for the sake of censoring texts that promote sexual attitudes you disapprove of.

Let's take some examples from a text that you should be quite familiar with - the Bible!

Do you find it arousing to read bible verses about man and woman becoming one flesh?

Or about seducing and lying with a virgin?

Or about lying with a woman and then bathing after a "seminal emission"?

Or about lusting after paramours hung like horses?

Or about beholding the nakedness of relatives?

Or about the "perversion" of having intercourse with an animal?

Or about a girl "playing the harlot" in her father's house?

No? Then you understand the difference between descriptions of sexual activity that don't have the purpose or effect of titillating, and pornography that does. You just don't like letting teens access coming of age stories about queer people.

Why would you assume I'm familiar with the Bible? Do you insist anyone you disagree with must be a devout Christian? Religion has nothing to do with basic facts. Here are some for you: pictures of two girls engaging in oral sex, one while wearing a dildo, is porn and is intended to arouse. Drawings and descriptions of vibrators are intended to arouse. Pictures of a man and young boy engaged in oral sex are intended to arouse. None of these pictures belongs in our school libraries. However, this "basic storytelling" can easily be accessed by you and your children in any public library, bookstore, or online. Don't worry about depriving your kids of the porn you so want them to be exposed to.

And do go on quoting archaic Biblical stories that no one's ever read. It really makes you look like a serious person.

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I could care less about your uterus, and I am a woman who has spent her entire adult life having women play the uterus card every single Election Day. I care about my DC's schools and the downfall of the quality of education they are receiving as I cannot afford private school nor am I able to help adult DC pay for private school at some point. Second to this, crime and financial security. Those are my issues and that is what I am voting on, can't afford to waste another vote on women's issues.

Abortion goes far beyond women. States that have bans have seen decline in overall healthcare, infant and maternal mortality, increased domestic violence, more hospital closings, reduced new doctors in the state, so not just OBGYN but ALL. When women can control their bodies they are better parents, coworkers, citizens (because they can contribute more in time and $).

This is the United States of America and you’re telling me it’s okay for half the population to not have equal rights? Wow.

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I could care less about your uterus, and I am a woman who has spent her entire adult life having women play the uterus card every single Election Day. I care about my DC's schools and the downfall of the quality of education they are receiving as I cannot afford private school nor am I able to help adult DC pay for private school at some point. Second to this, crime and financial security. Those are my issues and that is what I am voting on, can't afford to waste another vote on women's issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the quotes from? I want to read more about these statements. Tysm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/06/29/youngkin-abortion-life-conception/

Gov. Glenn Youngkin said this week he believes life begins at conception and vowed to sign “any bill … to protect life” that reaches his desk, expressing more ambitious antiabortion goals than he set out last year on the campaign trail or expects to pull off in the next legislative session.

In remarks to conservative activists Tuesday night, Youngkin (R) indicated that if the political landscape shifts in Richmond, he would like to rein in abortion rights beyond what he is seeking now — a ban on most abortions after 15 or 20 weeks of pregnancy.

“Any bill that comes to my desk I will sign happily and gleefully in order to protect life,” he said in an online forum organized by the Family Foundation of Virginia to celebrate the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that had legalized abortion nationwide.

And here is Youngkin saying that he can't be truthful during elections.

Anonymous wrote:John Stirrup, who is running for the House of Delegates 21st District (Prince William County), favors ‘total ban’ on abortion

“I would support a 100 percent ban,” Stirrup told a woman who had approached him after a Republican primary debate May 18, according to a recording obtained by The Washington Post. In another recording, made June 20, he told a man he met outside a polling place that “I’d like to see, you know, [a] total ban.”

On the recordings, Stirrup calls the 15-week ban that Youngkin has pursued a more politically “acceptable” goal than an outright ban and “a starting point,” but he is also dismissive of that cutoff, saying it “really doesn’t save that many lives.”

Youngkin characterized his proposed 15-week ban as the fallback and indicated that he would push for stricter limits if Republicans hold the House and flip the Senate in this year’s elections.

“I would support a 100 percent ban,” Stirrup says. “It seems like the kind of acceptable … position has been about 15 weeks, but that really doesn’t save that many lives. It’s a start, you know, and I know the left gets really, you know, animated about this, ‘Oh you’re banning abortion.’ Abortion will always be legal in the District of Columbia and Maryland. Women will always have that option.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/10/abortion-ban-virginia-elections-stirrup/

Anonymous wrote:equity efforts in schools is enough for me to vote R.