Anonymous
04/14/2023 18:42
Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
He's a patsy. This was a CIA op to get more power for themselves. Rand Paul has been leading opposition to the Restrict Act of internet censorship. Now they are looking to lock down internet sites even more.
Liberals objected when it was the Patriot Act.
Now they are catering to liberals by claiming Snowden's leaks were different, and these leaks are really dangerous.
Liberals objected when it was the Patriot Act.
Now they are catering to liberals by claiming Snowden's leaks were different, and these leaks are really dangerous.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 16:12
Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
The guy literally dumped this documents onto a discord server to look cool in front of his gamer friends. But he's MTG's pet and Tucker Carlson's news segment for the next two weeks.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 15:58
Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MAGA extremist, no matter how much folks here want to claim he's a"libertarian"
And if it’s shown he’s not a MAGA extremist, the narrative will be spun that the leak was a good thing, just watch.
He's already been claimed by MTG. See her tweet.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 15:35
Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like they were distributing it. But they were witnesses to the leaks, right?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A quick question to the lawyers. The article contains video interview of some minor, teenager from the same Discord channel.
Can they be charged as well? As accomplices?
If they were distributing it, yes.
That's not a crime.
It’s not a crime witnessing a crime and not reporting it?
No. Not unless you are a mandatory reporter. Like, if you have a clearance, you’d have to report it.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 13:10
Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like they were distributing it. But they were witnesses to the leaks, right?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A quick question to the lawyers. The article contains video interview of some minor, teenager from the same Discord channel.
Can they be charged as well? As accomplices?
If they were distributing it, yes.
That's not a crime.
It’s not a crime witnessing a crime and not reporting it?
No, it's not.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 13:09
Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The kid will be charged. But, things need to change. They need to go up the chain of command and see what kind of supervision was in place.
If a weapon is lost in an Army unit. Everything stops in the unit until it is found. If it is not found, heads roll.
If a soldier dies in a training accident. Head roll.
If a ship runs aground, the Captain is fired.
What rules were in place to prevent this leak other than trust in the Airman?
There is a reason car insurance is more expensive for people under 25. There is a reason car rental agencies restrict rentals to young people.
This is not a defense of what the Airman did. It is clear, though, that this is risky business to let a 21 year old --or even anyone--have access to this span of information.
SECDEF Austin already said they are going to tighten measures. But it's not like the system is new, it's been operating the same way for decades.[/quote]
Until supervisors and the chain is made responsible --and made to pay for things like this--nothing will change. What kind of supervision was this kid getting? Why would a low level IT guy in a Guard unit in Massachusetts be accessible to all this information? I'm having trouble understanding why anyone in that unit would need access to all of it.
You don't even know what his supervisory chain failed to do, so how can you demand they get punished? He needed access to the system because it was his job to maintain it.
Lol so his supervisory chain did not fail? Right carry on. I know next time the same exact thing happens you can say there is no way anyone could have predicted this!
You can't even say what specifically they failed to do. Your default action is just to blame and punish someone. It was the leaker who consciously broke his obligation, which, over the course of decades, tens of thousands of people have somehow managed not to do even without heavy handed supervision.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 13:07
Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like they were distributing it. But they were witnesses to the leaks, right?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A quick question to the lawyers. The article contains video interview of some minor, teenager from the same Discord channel.
Can they be charged as well? As accomplices?
If they were distributing it, yes.
That's not a crime.
It’s not a crime witnessing a crime and not reporting it?
Anonymous
04/14/2023 13:05
Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:You don't even know what his supervisory chain failed to do, so how can you demand they get punished? He needed access to the system because it was his job to maintain it.
Somebody failed over this guy.
1. whoever decided that a low level Airman can have access to what must be a very wide range of highly sensitive intelligence information.
2. Who vetted this guy?
3. Who was his direct supervisor. Did anyone ever check his digital trail? I would think that would be a routine thing done on a random basis--after all, they test randomly for drugs.
But, let's forget about this and move on to renaming Fort Bragg to the tune of $17million plus.
Not in the military but the guy I knew who was the biggest sex offender in college just retired from the Navy at a very high level as a Commander and taught sex offense classes to others. 20 years in and no one noticed his misogyny. Whatever they are doing to help against these violent and equity acts is just lipstick. It’s not really changing anything at a personal level. The people in the military these days are too pro military and too boxed into their beliefs about themselves and others to realize how they actually act against the interests of this country and the people in it. I’m sure there were others in the military that supported this and you can already see that Marjorie in Congress does.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 12:38
Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The kid will be charged. But, things need to change. They need to go up the chain of command and see what kind of supervision was in place.
If a weapon is lost in an Army unit. Everything stops in the unit until it is found. If it is not found, heads roll.
If a soldier dies in a training accident. Head roll.
If a ship runs aground, the Captain is fired.
What rules were in place to prevent this leak other than trust in the Airman?
There is a reason car insurance is more expensive for people under 25. There is a reason car rental agencies restrict rentals to young people.
This is not a defense of what the Airman did. It is clear, though, that this is risky business to let a 21 year old --or even anyone--have access to this span of information.
SECDEF Austin already said they are going to tighten measures. But it's not like the system is new, it's been operating the same way for decades.[/quote]
Until supervisors and the chain is made responsible --and made to pay for things like this--nothing will change. What kind of supervision was this kid getting? Why would a low level IT guy in a Guard unit in Massachusetts be accessible to all this information? I'm having trouble understanding why anyone in that unit would need access to all of it.
You don't even know what his supervisory chain failed to do, so how can you demand they get punished? He needed access to the system because it was his job to maintain it.
Lol so his supervisory chain did not fail? Right carry on. I know next time the same exact thing happens you can say there is no way anyone could have predicted this!
Anonymous
04/14/2023 12:34
Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
This kid was probably a sharepoint admin or something. Hence had access to like the joint chiefs document repository.
That is the only way he could have access to a broad scope of topics.
The people who build the Ukraine briefs do not also work North Korea Intel. They are compartmentalized and only aggregated at the very top.
This was dod being lazy and wanting to pay 25k for a Microsoft suite admin with nothing to lose.
That is the only way he could have access to a broad scope of topics.
The people who build the Ukraine briefs do not also work North Korea Intel. They are compartmentalized and only aggregated at the very top.
This was dod being lazy and wanting to pay 25k for a Microsoft suite admin with nothing to lose.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 12:31
Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The kid will be charged. But, things need to change. They need to go up the chain of command and see what kind of supervision was in place.
If a weapon is lost in an Army unit. Everything stops in the unit until it is found. If it is not found, heads roll.
If a soldier dies in a training accident. Head roll.
If a ship runs aground, the Captain is fired.
What rules were in place to prevent this leak other than trust in the Airman?
There is a reason car insurance is more expensive for people under 25. There is a reason car rental agencies restrict rentals to young people.
This is not a defense of what the Airman did. It is clear, though, that this is risky business to let a 21 year old --or even anyone--have access to this span of information.
SECDEF Austin already said they are going to tighten measures. But it's not like the system is new, it's been operating the same way for decades.[/quote]
Until supervisors and the chain is made responsible --and made to pay for things like this--nothing will change. What kind of supervision was this kid getting? Why would a low level IT guy in a Guard unit in Massachusetts be accessible to all this information? I'm having trouble understanding why anyone in that unit would need access to all of it.
You don't even know what his supervisory chain failed to do, so how can you demand they get punished? He needed access to the system because it was his job to maintain it.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 12:28
Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The kid will be charged. But, things need to change. They need to go up the chain of command and see what kind of supervision was in place.
If a weapon is lost in an Army unit. Everything stops in the unit until it is found. If it is not found, heads roll.
If a soldier dies in a training accident. Head roll.
If a ship runs aground, the Captain is fired.
What rules were in place to prevent this leak other than trust in the Airman?
There is a reason car insurance is more expensive for people under 25. There is a reason car rental agencies restrict rentals to young people.
This is not a defense of what the Airman did. It is clear, though, that this is risky business to let a 21 year old --or even anyone--have access to this span of information.
SECDEF Austin already said they are going to tighten measures. But it's not like the system is new, it's been operating the same way for decades.[/quote]
Until supervisors and the chain is made responsible --and made to pay for things like this--nothing will change. What kind of supervision was this kid getting? Why would a low level IT guy in a Guard unit in Massachusetts be accessible to all this information? I'm having trouble understanding why anyone in that unit would need access to all of it.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 12:22
Subject: Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:My DH is a fed who occasionally has to be read in to something at an even higher level than his clearance, and the hooos he has to go through are multi-layered, like being physically in a SCIF.
It is absolutely astonishing to me that a trove of documents like this could be accessible to some untrained low level rando who works in IT. The layers of terrible planing here are terrifying.
We are so f*^ked.
He's been trained. If we are f**ked, it's because the people we are trusting have broken their obligations.
Anonymous
04/14/2023 12:18
Subject: Re:Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict
Anonymous wrote:The kid will be charged. But, things need to change. They need to go up the chain of command and see what kind of supervision was in place.
If a weapon is lost in an Army unit. Everything stops in the unit until it is found. If it is not found, heads roll.
If a soldier dies in a training accident. Head roll.
If a ship runs aground, the Captain is fired.
What rules were in place to prevent this leak other than trust in the Airman?
There is a reason car insurance is more expensive for people under 25. There is a reason car rental agencies restrict rentals to young people.
This is not a defense of what the Airman did. It is clear, though, that this is risky business to let a 21 year old --or even anyone--have access to this span of information.
SECDEF Austin already said they are going to tighten measures. But it's not like the system is new, it's been operating the same way for decades.