Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 16:27     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you get to TJ, college really doesn't matter. These kids are best of the best.


Respectfully disagree. I think high school is important, and college is important too. I am not saying the colleges have to be the prestigious colleges or anything. They are both important time periods that influence the kids' development.

Younger is always more important in a child's development, because that is when the brain is developing the most. And high school is particularly important due to the onset of puberty. If your kid is going to be surrounded by a bunch of overly emotional, hormonal teenagers, it's better to be around those that are intelligent, ambitious, have better emotional control and cognizant of the consequences of stupid decisions.

The best students at TJHSST end up at Stanford, MIT and the like. The best students at base high schools end up at UVA, and perhaps the top 10-15 schools if they are truly exception or have a hook.

The ones at TJHSST complaining about not getting into UVA and VT simply would not have gotten in if they went to their base high schools anyway.


I actually know a base student kid that got into Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, and Duke recently.

The top TJ kids aren't just great academically. They're often in USAMO, INTEL Science Fair, and have other elite extracurricular activities. I'd guess these kids would have similar outcomes if they attended another school.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 16:25     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
From our experience, kids in the median at TJ often end up at the tippy-top of their base school if they choose to leave.

TJ is grueling, and it's not necessary for elite college admissions. If anything, having to compete with other TJ kids makes it much harder.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 14:44     Subject: Re:TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
So some of the "TJ penalty" at UVA might actually be the Asian penalty at UVA. It's not like you're kids going to be any less Asian at their base school.
What "TJ penalty?" These kids have been doing fine for years and will continue to do so.


The Asian kids at UVA (and other schools) have the highest stats. Thats what they were referring to.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2024 20:45     Subject: Re:TJ College Admissions Results
So some of the "TJ penalty" at UVA might actually be the Asian penalty at UVA. It's not like you're kids going to be any less Asian at their base school.
What "TJ penalty?" These kids have been doing fine for years and will continue to do so.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2024 17:37     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS got accepted to TJ and I am curious about the lower UVA acceptance rate. UVA acceptance over all has dropped from around 40% to 16%:

"For the class of 2010, UVA admitted 45 percent of its Virginia applicants and 32 percent of its out-of-state applicants." https://uvamagazine.org/articles/college_bound_and_determined#:~:text=For%20the%20class%20of%202010,out%2Dof%2Dstate%20applicants.

"This year, UVA received 58,995 applications to the Class of 2028... ...Out of these applications, 9,665 received offers, yielding an overall acceptance rate of 16.3%."

https://www.crimsoneducation.org/us/blog/uva-acceptance-rate/

So isn't the ste4ady decline of TJ admissions at least in part due to the increasing competitiveness of college admissions?

I mean, they swear up and down that they do not have quotas on TJ students.


Yes, no one should expect the same number of kids to get from 2010 and 2024 when the applications are increasing at these schools.


Another difference between 2010 and 2023 is the demographics of TJ. Back in 2010, the Asian population was still only at like 50% So some of the "TJ penalty" at UVA might actually be the Asian penalty at UVA. It's not like you're kids going to be any less Asian at their base school.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/student-population-at-thomas-jefferson-shifts-significantly/2013/04/21/f04446b6-a6d9-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/demographics-shift-at-thomas-jefferson-high-as-asians-make-up-66-percent-of-new-class/2014/04/08/78374f7a-bf23-11e3-b574-f8748871856a_story.html
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 14:12     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:VT and UVA do not offer direct admit to CS. While VT says everyone with a 3.0 gets into CS, other schools offer direct admits - UMD, Michigan, UT Austin, UIUC, and Purdue.


Yes. I believe 17 TJ students announced last year they were attending Purdue.


There seems to be swirls of activity around schools, but they change over time -- Pitt, Michigan, UMD, Purdue . . .
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 13:42     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:VT and UVA do not offer direct admit to CS. While VT says everyone with a 3.0 gets into CS, other schools offer direct admits - UMD, Michigan, UT Austin, UIUC, and Purdue.


Yes. I believe 17 TJ students announced last year they were attending Purdue.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 13:32     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
VT and UVA do not offer direct admit to CS. While VT says everyone with a 3.0 gets into CS, other schools offer direct admits - UMD, Michigan, UT Austin, UIUC, and Purdue.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 12:37     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
^forgot CMU , MIT too
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 12:34     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NEW. TJ HS class of 2023 admission decisions have been published. https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

Begins on page 18.


UVA-44
UMD-29
WM-24
VT-23
UIUC-18


Purdue 17


Pitt used to be a go to school and Michigan was high for a few years. Now UMD, UIUC, and Purdue. There seems to be a word of mouth effect or perhaps a concerted recruiting effort from certain schools.

VT is actually up significantly from last year, which was only 7 or something like that. I have always been surprised by the low numbers matriculating there given VT is very large, in-state, and tech focused.


VT was 7 in 2022 and 23 in 2023. It has always surprised me as well that so few go to VT. Most years it is lower than W&M, which is 1/5th the size and does not have engineering.



Not surprised in the least that VT is not popular . The top Stem talent at TJ as well as other magnets and top privates in Virginia go to ivies with Engineering , or Duke or Hopkins, or Georgia Tech, Michigan. My DC is at an ivy and met NOVA kids at admitted days. They don’t want VT. It does not place nearly as well into grad school or med school(for BMEs ), nor into top tech industry leadership roles.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 12:32     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
For many TJ kids, UIUC is considered better than VT and UVA particularly in engineering, CS and premed.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 11:34     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NEW. TJ HS class of 2023 admission decisions have been published. https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/2023seniorissue

Begins on page 18.


UVA-44
UMD-29
WM-24
VT-23
UIUC-18


Purdue 17


Pitt used to be a go to school and Michigan was high for a few years. Now UMD, UIUC, and Purdue. There seems to be a word of mouth effect or perhaps a concerted recruiting effort from certain schools.

VT is actually up significantly from last year, which was only 7 or something like that. I have always been surprised by the low numbers matriculating there given VT is very large, in-state, and tech focused.


VT was 7 in 2022 and 23 in 2023. It has always surprised me as well that so few go to VT. Most years it is lower than W&M, which is 1/5th the size and does not have engineering.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 11:14     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
UVA has to represent all parts of the state as a state institution.

It might be better if the Wise transfer option wasn’t such a lousy location. Most kids would rather be at a CC for a year.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 10:48     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS got accepted to TJ and I am curious about the lower UVA acceptance rate. UVA acceptance over all has dropped from around 40% to 16%:

"For the class of 2010, UVA admitted 45 percent of its Virginia applicants and 32 percent of its out-of-state applicants." https://uvamagazine.org/articles/college_bound_and_determined#:~:text=For%20the%20class%20of%202010,out%2Dof%2Dstate%20applicants.

"This year, UVA received 58,995 applications to the Class of 2028... ...Out of these applications, 9,665 received offers, yielding an overall acceptance rate of 16.3%."

https://www.crimsoneducation.org/us/blog/uva-acceptance-rate/

So isn't the ste4ady decline of TJ admissions at least in part due to the increasing competitiveness of college admissions?

I mean, they swear up and down that they do not have quotas on TJ students.


Yes, no one should expect the same number of kids to get from 2010 and 2024 when the applications are increasing at these schools.


The applications have gone up because kids apply to more schools. It is now much easier to apply to many schools. The number of college bound students is forecast to decline, though.

There are probably many factors in play with UVA and TJ. With TJ recognized, many more TJ students appear to have started applying and going OOS during this time period. Colleges have even targeted TJ.

Colleges need to make a decision on how to evaluate class rank at TJ vs other schools. Do they consider top 30% at TJ equal to top 10% at another NOVA high school.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2024 10:18     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:DS got accepted to TJ and I am curious about the lower UVA acceptance rate. UVA acceptance over all has dropped from around 40% to 16%:

"For the class of 2010, UVA admitted 45 percent of its Virginia applicants and 32 percent of its out-of-state applicants." https://uvamagazine.org/articles/college_bound_and_determined#:~:text=For%20the%20class%20of%202010,out%2Dof%2Dstate%20applicants.

"This year, UVA received 58,995 applications to the Class of 2028... ...Out of these applications, 9,665 received offers, yielding an overall acceptance rate of 16.3%."

https://www.crimsoneducation.org/us/blog/uva-acceptance-rate/

So isn't the ste4ady decline of TJ admissions at least in part due to the increasing competitiveness of college admissions?

I mean, they swear up and down that they do not have quotas on TJ students.


Yes, no one should expect the same number of kids to get from 2010 and 2024 when the applications are increasing at these schools.