Anonymous
02/21/2023 15:55
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
I think whites have a case to be made like that of UNC. 19% is discrimination on skin color. Their make up isn’t anywhere close to representative of US demographics. When colleges get to the point that they are basically saying we don’t want you here (which is pretty much what every talk on many campus is), it’s discrimination. It will be interesting to see if any of this changes after the Supreme Court case is heard.
Is the goal for Hopkins to match US demographics or Maryland/Baltimore? I would argue the latter, in which case they're really behind on Black too.
I would hope it would be to not discriminate against anyone based on skin color/ethnicity.
Sure, and you would know that was happening when their demographics don't match...what population? Hopkins accepts a growing number of international applications (around 20%?) White people are around 15% of the world's population. So 19% for Hopkins seems fine then.
Hopkins International population is primarily from India, China and South Korea. Facts.
Good for them. What's your point?
Anonymous
02/21/2023 15:54
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
I think whites have a case to be made like that of UNC. 19% is discrimination on skin color. Their make up isn’t anywhere close to representative of US demographics. When colleges get to the point that they are basically saying we don’t want you here (which is pretty much what every talk on many campus is), it’s discrimination. It will be interesting to see if any of this changes after the Supreme Court case is heard.
Is the goal for Hopkins to match US demographics or Maryland/Baltimore? I would argue the latter, in which case they're really behind on Black too.
I would hope it would be to not discriminate against anyone based on skin color/ethnicity.
Sure, and you would know that was happening when their demographics don't match...what population? Hopkins accepts a growing number of international applications (around 20%?) White people are around 15% of the world's population. So 19% for Hopkins seems fine then.
Hopkins International population is primarily from India, China and South Korea. Facts.
Yep. Not white. The 19% white stat is shocking but true. It’s very, very low considering the US population demographics.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 15:53
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
I think whites have a case to be made like that of UNC. 19% is discrimination on skin color. Their make up isn’t anywhere close to representative of US demographics. When colleges get to the point that they are basically saying we don’t want you here (which is pretty much what every talk on many campus is), it’s discrimination. It will be interesting to see if any of this changes after the Supreme Court case is heard.
Is the goal for Hopkins to match US demographics or Maryland/Baltimore? I would argue the latter, in which case they're really behind on Black too.
I would hope it would be to not discriminate against anyone based on skin color/ethnicity.
Sure, and you would know that was happening when their demographics don't match...what population? Hopkins accepts a growing number of international applications (around 20%?) White people are around 15% of the world's population. So 19% for Hopkins seems fine then.
Hopkins International population is primarily from India, China and South Korea. Facts.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 15:48
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
I think whites have a case to be made like that of UNC. 19% is discrimination on skin color. Their make up isn’t anywhere close to representative of US demographics. When colleges get to the point that they are basically saying we don’t want you here (which is pretty much what every talk on many campus is), it’s discrimination. It will be interesting to see if any of this changes after the Supreme Court case is heard.
Is the goal for Hopkins to match US demographics or Maryland/Baltimore? I would argue the latter, in which case they're really behind on Black too.
I would hope it would be to not discriminate against anyone based on skin color/ethnicity.
Sure, and you would know that was happening when their demographics don't match...what population? Hopkins accepts a growing number of international applications (around 20%?) White people are around 15% of the world's population. So 19% for Hopkins seems fine then.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 12:12
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It definitely happens. Back when I was applying to college in the early 2000s I had a good friend who had a set of grandparents who immigrated to Argentina from Europe during WWII and then moved to the US about 15 years later. My friend claimed on her college applications that she was Latino even though she knew her grandparents stint in Argentina hardly made her Latino. I think it may happen more with people who feel some tangential claim to a different race/ethnicity, like my friend. Look at Hilaria Baldwin. She speaks with a Spanish accent and she grew up in Boston and was educated at private schools in Massachusetts, all of her children have Spanish names, she pretended on television to forget the word cucumber and then said "how you say?" I mean... It's absurd, but it happens.
Report them anonymously to admissions. Done and done.
Admissions won't follow up with absuridities, but they will follow up with certain things.
+1
Also report 50% black people who claim to be black.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 12:07
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
I think whites have a case to be made like that of UNC. 19% is discrimination on skin color. Their make up isn’t anywhere close to representative of US demographics. When colleges get to the point that they are basically saying we don’t want you here (which is pretty much what every talk on many campus is), it’s discrimination. It will be interesting to see if any of this changes after the Supreme Court case is heard.
Is the goal for Hopkins to match US demographics or Maryland/Baltimore? I would argue the latter, in which case they're really behind on Black too.
I would hope it would be to not discriminate against anyone based on skin color/ethnicity.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 12:06
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
I worked at JHU and there is no way the Black population of undergrads is 15%. Your numbers are off according to several sources, including JHU's CDS: https://oir.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/CDS_2021-2022.pdf
White 24%
Black 8%
Asian 27%
Hispanic 18%
I could give you the flier my kid received on his tour. It’s the numbers they have in their current pamphlet.
My daughter did a tour too. This is true:
STUDENT EXPERIENCE
AT HOPKINS, YOU'LL FIND PEOPLE WHO SHARE SIMILAR VALUES AND INTERESTS, AND MEET PEOPLE WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THE WORLD. Discussions spill out of classrooms, and novel ideas often find their spark on the way to grab lunch.
Students represent 50 states & 80 countries
15% African American/Black
2% Native American/Pacific Islander
29% Asian American
19% Hispanic/Latinx
1% Unknown
19% White/Caucasian
15% International
I worked for "Hopkins" for years; I even received tuition remission to attend graduate-level business classes.
There are many ways to define "Hopkins." for example, I worked for CTY, which has now moved to a campus in Mount Washkngton (still technically inside city limits, I suppose).
You have heard of JHU Hospital? It is NOT on the grounds of Homewood - and most would assume Homewood IS the main campus. But,
There is also JHU Bayview - a hospital in another neighborhood apart from the main hospital and the undergrad campus.
Then there is Washington D.C. - DuPont in fact. SAIS - a graduate school of JHU is here. A massive international contingent attends SAIS.
But back to my business classes: they were NOT on the main Homewood campus; they were in rented space downtown, and were professional-development (ie - night school), not MBA.
It is obvious "Hopkins" has ample room to interpret "their" racial makeup in many ways, according to what is more beneficial to their admissions office.
Not technically a lie.
Nice try. But this was data for the kids enrolled on campus, undergrads in Baltimore on the main campus. 19% for Caucasians is abysmally low when they make up by a good majority the largest demographic in the US.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 10:41
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
I worked at JHU and there is no way the Black population of undergrads is 15%. Your numbers are off according to several sources, including JHU's CDS: https://oir.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/CDS_2021-2022.pdf
White 24%
Black 8%
Asian 27%
Hispanic 18%
I could give you the flier my kid received on his tour. It’s the numbers they have in their current pamphlet.
My daughter did a tour too. This is true:
STUDENT EXPERIENCE
AT HOPKINS, YOU'LL FIND PEOPLE WHO SHARE SIMILAR VALUES AND INTERESTS, AND MEET PEOPLE WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THE WORLD. Discussions spill out of classrooms, and novel ideas often find their spark on the way to grab lunch.
Students represent 50 states & 80 countries
15% African American/Black
2% Native American/Pacific Islander
29% Asian American
19% Hispanic/Latinx
1% Unknown
19% White/Caucasian
15% International
I worked for "Hopkins" for years; I even received tuition remission to attend graduate-level business classes.
There are many ways to define "Hopkins." for example, I worked for CTY, which has now moved to a campus in Mount Washkngton (still technically inside city limits, I suppose).
You have heard of JHU Hospital? It is NOT on the grounds of Homewood - and most would assume Homewood IS the main campus. But,
There is also JHU Bayview - a hospital in another neighborhood apart from the main hospital and the undergrad campus.
Then there is Washington D.C. - DuPont in fact. SAIS - a graduate school of JHU is here. A massive international contingent attends SAIS.
But back to my business classes: they were NOT on the main Homewood campus; they were in rented space downtown, and were professional-development (ie - night school), not MBA.
It is obvious "Hopkins" has ample room to interpret "their" racial makeup in many ways, according to what is more beneficial to their admissions office.
Not technically a lie.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 10:13
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
I think whites have a case to be made like that of UNC. 19% is discrimination on skin color. Their make up isn’t anywhere close to representative of US demographics. When colleges get to the point that they are basically saying we don’t want you here (which is pretty much what every talk on many campus is), it’s discrimination. It will be interesting to see if any of this changes after the Supreme Court case is heard.
Is the goal for Hopkins to match US demographics or Maryland/Baltimore? I would argue the latter, in which case they're really behind on Black too.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 08:10
Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
I'm a white Hispanic with freckled scottish skin and blue eyes. I claim Hispanic, because I am. Hispanic is a culture, not a race. My first language was Spanish and I speak English natively. I never lie about this, but it is a ridiculous question on applications amd for the census.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 07:22
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
I think whites have a case to be made like that of UNC. 19% is discrimination on skin color. Their make up isn’t anywhere close to representative of US demographics. When colleges get to the point that they are basically saying we don’t want you here (which is pretty much what every talk on many campus is), it’s discrimination. It will be interesting to see if any of this changes after the Supreme Court case is heard.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 05:41
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
Most statements that make claims that sound ridiculous are fake.
Anonymous
02/21/2023 01:08
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
Most Latinos at hopkins are fake
Anonymous
02/21/2023 00:15
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
I worked at JHU and there is no way the Black population of undergrads is 15%. Your numbers are off according to several sources, including JHU's CDS: https://oir.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/CDS_2021-2022.pdf
White 24%
Black 8%
Asian 27%
Hispanic 18%
I could give you the flier my kid received on his tour. It’s the numbers they have in their current pamphlet.
My daughter did a tour too. This is true:
STUDENT EXPERIENCE
AT HOPKINS, YOU'LL FIND PEOPLE WHO SHARE SIMILAR VALUES AND INTERESTS, AND MEET PEOPLE WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THE WORLD. Discussions spill out of classrooms, and novel ideas often find their spark on the way to grab lunch.
Students represent 50 states & 80 countries
15% African American/Black
2% Native American/Pacific Islander
29% Asian American
19% Hispanic/Latinx
1% Unknown
19% White/Caucasian
15% International
That’s interesting. I think they are lying/ stretching the truth on the tour because the numbers JHU files with the government and publish on the CDS don’t match. Maybe they are include grad students to increase the diversity numbers?
I don't know about JHU but I was listening to a NYTimes podcast with the president of Oberlin and she was defending the percentages of racial minorities, particularly Black students at her school, and mentioned that students who checked the "other" box are put in the multiracial category or maybe aren't fully factored into the final score, at least for Oberlin. Not sure if that's a thing at other, larger colleges.
Anonymous
02/20/2023 20:11
Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is only 19% white (under-represented); 19% Hispanic; 15% Black; 29% Asian…
Curious.
I worked at JHU and there is no way the Black population of undergrads is 15%. Your numbers are off according to several sources, including JHU's CDS: https://oir.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/CDS_2021-2022.pdf
White 24%
Black 8%
Asian 27%
Hispanic 18%
I could give you the flier my kid received on his tour. It’s the numbers they have in their current pamphlet.
My daughter did a tour too. This is true:
STUDENT EXPERIENCE
AT HOPKINS, YOU'LL FIND PEOPLE WHO SHARE SIMILAR VALUES AND INTERESTS, AND MEET PEOPLE WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THE WORLD. Discussions spill out of classrooms, and novel ideas often find their spark on the way to grab lunch.
Students represent 50 states & 80 countries
15% African American/Black
2% Native American/Pacific Islander
29% Asian American
19% Hispanic/Latinx
1% Unknown
19% White/Caucasian
15% International
That’s interesting. I think they are lying/ stretching the truth on the tour because the numbers JHU files with the government and publish on the CDS don’t match. Maybe they are include grad students to increase the diversity numbers?
Forgot to add that you can look up data supplied to the federal government here: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/