Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:11
Subject: Re:Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you to everyone who has been pushing back in this discussion and elsewhere. I am not sure how to pierce through the insanity that has captures so much of the education establishment, but it needs to happen. A significant course correction is necessary for the sanity and education of today’s students and society generally.
The left seems to be suffering from some sort of mass psychosis. They need to wakeup or be removed from positions of influence.
Oh, think of the children!
Yes, actually. This is a school forum. Children are actually what the focus is here. The fact that you mock that idea says everything—you are more concerned with pushing some objectionable gender or racial ideology than you are with what is actually good for kids. You shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids, including own, if you even have any.
You want to take away people’s kids bc their political views are different from yours? But the progressives are the ones we need to fear.
Keep politics out of schools.
It IS this simple.
Keep politics and indoctrination out of schools, you Evangelists and Wokes and Scientologists and Communists.
Schools are for Education.
You don’t even know what any of what you said means. Just capitalizing random words like your orange god.
Views of history and society they agree with are “education”; views they disagree with are “politics”
Need more schooling on fact versus opinion. reporting vs OpEd.
Mmmhmm. For example, “opinions” like African American history, which Ron DeSantis has banned from Florida schools before it can brainwash anyone into thinking about slavery and its legacy. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-ap-african-american-studies/index.html
Right, DeSantis’ approach is stupid and frankly absurd. Kids should be able to confront uncomfortable opinions in school. But that also should hold true for ideas the progressives hold as orthodoxy. I do not understand how as a culture we seem to have collectively agreed that kids should go through life never encountering an idea that makes them the slightest bit uncomfortable. There is very little air between what DeSantis is doing and the “safe spaces” academic progressives demand.
What topics or issues are being rejected for conversation or debate by progressives?
I think almost anything having to do with gender ideology, for starters. The example above of the girl track athlete who says in debate class that she does not think it is fair or just that she is pitted against pre-medical-transition trans girls on the track is not a far-fetched hypothetical. She would likely face disciplinary measures in many private schools for just saying that, even in debate classes.
Actually at schools like Sidwell and GDS, they would have frank discussions about these issues. Please cite and example where discussion of these issues result in disciplinary action. You are just projecting BS onto schools you want to label as woke without any basis in fact.
Read their school newspapers if you think any honest debate is going on when your teacher preacher and loudest peers frame the discussion exactly as ugly as some dcum’ers do. Just smile and nod to get a good curved down B+.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:09
Subject: Re:Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
^academia
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:09
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.
My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.
Harsh question: Why should someone who claims to be “from a foreign background “ and from a religion that hardly represents a common viewpoint in the US expect to “fit in” — or even want to “fit in”? Surely you must realize that it’s the culture and values behind what you deem “wokeness” that has given you and your kids not just the chance of fitting in, but of being accepted at all by schools and universities that, not too long ago, we’re almost exclusively white, male, American, and, in many cases aggressively Christian?
Wow you sound super racist. And also, wrong.
It’s the idea that annoying can come here and work to support and better themselves that had “allowed” OP and her family to prosper here (enough to consider a $50K private school). That’s not an especially woke or liberal value. In fact is a pretty conservative one.
You need to learn more about liberals and conservatives in the US.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:09
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?
I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:07
Subject: Re:Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you to everyone who has been pushing back in this discussion and elsewhere. I am not sure how to pierce through the insanity that has captures so much of the education establishment, but it needs to happen. A significant course correction is necessary for the sanity and education of today’s students and society generally.
The left seems to be suffering from some sort of mass psychosis. They need to wakeup or be removed from positions of influence.
Oh, think of the children!
Yes, actually. This is a school forum. Children are actually what the focus is here. The fact that you mock that idea says everything—you are more concerned with pushing some objectionable gender or racial ideology than you are with what is actually good for kids. You shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids, including own, if you even have any.
You want to take away people’s kids bc their political views are different from yours? But the progressives are the ones we need to fear.
Keep politics out of schools.
It IS this simple.
Keep politics and indoctrination out of schools, you Evangelists and Wokes and Scientologists and Communists.
Schools are for Education.
You don’t even know what any of what you said means. Just capitalizing random words like your orange god.
Views of history and society they agree with are “education”; views they disagree with are “politics”
Need more schooling on fact versus opinion. reporting vs OpEd.
Mmmhmm. For example, “opinions” like African American history, which Ron DeSantis has banned from Florida schools before it can brainwash anyone into thinking about slavery and its legacy. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-ap-african-american-studies/index.html
Right, DeSantis’ approach is stupid and frankly absurd. Kids should be able to confront uncomfortable opinions in school. But that also should hold true for ideas the progressives hold as orthodoxy. I do not understand how as a culture we seem to have collectively agreed that kids should go through life never encountering an idea that makes them the slightest bit uncomfortable. There is very little air between what DeSantis is doing and the “safe spaces” academic progressives demand.
What topics or issues are being rejected for conversation or debate by progressives?
Didn’t Fairfax public schools kick out parents even asking questions about the new k-8 CRT social studies curriculum? They illegally disallowed discussions on it with taxpayers and shut down the public meeting.
There is no such thing as a k-8 CRT curriculum. So....if parents are being beliigerant in requesting something that doesn't exist be removed, it's...a waste of time. And from the videos I saw, these parents were rude and frothing at the mouth in their diatribes against the school board members.
You mean the edited videos from mass media showing the end of the meetings? Do your diligence and watch the whole feed.
Unless biased cherry-picked misinformation suits you and your “critical thinking.”
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:06
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It’s a pilot course based on the controversial 1619 project and activist OpEds.
But again, pull the reading list and syllabi yourself.
Do you have access to the syllabus? I haven't been able to find one for the AP course.
google is your friend
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/how-ap-develops-courses-and-exams/pilot-ap-african-american-studies
and it isn't based on the 1619 project or Kendi. It is based on, you know facts and history.
DP: You sound like very confident about that. Why? Did you review its development? Or simply because the little you've read about it seems to promote your woke agenda and attack Florida at the same time?
I'd bet a dollar than a purely objective Martian arriving on Earth tomorrow to review the merits of the case would side with Florida on this.
Let's review the facts and see if this course reflects good quality and evidence or whether it is another example of Wokeness Over the Top.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:06
Subject: Re:Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you to everyone who has been pushing back in this discussion and elsewhere. I am not sure how to pierce through the insanity that has captures so much of the education establishment, but it needs to happen. A significant course correction is necessary for the sanity and education of today’s students and society generally.
The left seems to be suffering from some sort of mass psychosis. They need to wakeup or be removed from positions of influence.
Oh, think of the children!
Yes, actually. This is a school forum. Children are actually what the focus is here. The fact that you mock that idea says everything—you are more concerned with pushing some objectionable gender or racial ideology than you are with what is actually good for kids. You shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids, including own, if you even have any.
You want to take away people’s kids bc their political views are different from yours? But the progressives are the ones we need to fear.
Keep politics out of schools.
It IS this simple.
Keep politics and indoctrination out of schools, you Evangelists and Wokes and Scientologists and Communists.
Schools are for Education.
You don’t even know what any of what you said means. Just capitalizing random words like your orange god.
Views of history and society they agree with are “education”; views they disagree with are “politics”
Need more schooling on fact versus opinion. reporting vs OpEd.
Mmmhmm. For example, “opinions” like African American history, which Ron DeSantis has banned from Florida schools before it can brainwash anyone into thinking about slavery and its legacy. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-ap-african-american-studies/index.html
Right, DeSantis’ approach is stupid and frankly absurd. Kids should be able to confront uncomfortable opinions in school. But that also should hold true for ideas the progressives hold as orthodoxy. I do not understand how as a culture we seem to have collectively agreed that kids should go through life never encountering an idea that makes them the slightest bit uncomfortable. There is very little air between what DeSantis is doing and the “safe spaces” academic progressives demand.
What topics or issues are being rejected for conversation or debate by progressives?
Didn’t Fairfax public schools kick out parents even asking questions about the new k-8 CRT social studies curriculum? They illegally disallowed discussions on it with taxpayers and shut down the public meeting.
Seeing as there isn’t and never has been a CRT curriculum in any grade, you may want to reconsider your news sources.
+1
Ignorant MAGAs.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:05
Subject: Re:Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thank you to everyone who has been pushing back in this discussion and elsewhere. I am not sure how to pierce through the insanity that has captures so much of the education establishment, but it needs to happen. A significant course correction is necessary for the sanity and education of today’s students and society generally.
The left seems to be suffering from some sort of mass psychosis. They need to wakeup or be removed from positions of influence.
Oh, think of the children!
Yes, actually. This is a school forum. Children are actually what the focus is here. The fact that you mock that idea says everything—you are more concerned with pushing some objectionable gender or racial ideology than you are with what is actually good for kids. You shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids, including own, if you even have any.
You want to take away people’s kids bc their political views are different from yours? But the progressives are the ones we need to fear.
Keep politics out of schools.
It IS this simple.
Keep politics and indoctrination out of schools, you Evangelists and Wokes and Scientologists and Communists.
Schools are for Education.
You don’t even know what any of what you said means. Just capitalizing random words like your orange god.
Views of history and society they agree with are “education”; views they disagree with are “politics”
Need more schooling on fact versus opinion. reporting vs OpEd.
Mmmhmm. For example, “opinions” like African American history, which Ron DeSantis has banned from Florida schools before it can brainwash anyone into thinking about slavery and its legacy. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-ap-african-american-studies/index.html
Right, DeSantis’ approach is stupid and frankly absurd. Kids should be able to confront uncomfortable opinions in school. But that also should hold true for ideas the progressives hold as orthodoxy. I do not understand how as a culture we seem to have collectively agreed that kids should go through life never encountering an idea that makes them the slightest bit uncomfortable. There is very little air between what DeSantis is doing and the “safe spaces” academic progressives demand.
What topics or issues are being rejected for conversation or debate by progressives?
I think almost anything having to do with gender ideology, for starters. The example above of the girl track athlete who says in debate class that she does not think it is fair or just that she is pitted against pre-medical-transition trans girls on the track is not a far-fetched hypothetical. She would likely face disciplinary measures in many private schools for just saying that, even in debate classes.
Actually at schools like Sidwell and GDS, they would have frank discussions about these issues. Please cite and example where discussion of these issues result in disciplinary action. You are just projecting BS onto schools you want to label as woke without any basis in fact.
Disciplinary actions are by their nature not public. You are fooling yourself if you don’t believe this is happening.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:04
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.
My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.
Harsh question: Why should someone who claims to be “from a foreign background “ and from a religion that hardly represents a common viewpoint in the US expect to “fit in” — or even want to “fit in”? Surely you must realize that it’s the culture and values behind what you deem “wokeness” that has given you and your kids not just the chance of fitting in, but of being accepted at all by schools and universities that, not too long ago, we’re almost exclusively white, male, American, and, in many cases aggressively Christian?
Wow you sound super racist. And also, wrong.
It’s the idea that annoying can come here and work to support and better themselves that had “allowed” OP and her family to prosper here (enough to consider a $50K private school). That’s not an especially woke or liberal value. In fact is a pretty conservative one.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:01
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.
My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.
You have looked into the heart of darkness and seen the truth/hypocrisy. You know too much.
Don’t mention class, dear. What, do you want to actually address the system itself? That’s just crazy talk.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 17:00
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”
It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..
It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.
It’s nothing but a vaccination to protect the asset horders who live in segregated areas and schools from being drawn and quartered by the mob.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 16:59
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”
It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..
It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.
Then don't send your kid there.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 16:59
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:
It’s a pilot course based on the controversial 1619 project and activist OpEds.
But again, pull the reading list and syllabi yourself.
Credible link to support this claim?
Because everything I have seen suggests it is based on history and facts.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 16:58
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”
It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..
It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.
Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.
Anonymous
01/19/2023 16:56
Subject: Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language
The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”
It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..
It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.