Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It is horrifying to think of a child who strangled a teacher at 5 and shot a teacher at 6 and what may lie in his future.

Other tiny children should never have been in the vicinity of someone so dangerous and their safety and that of the teacher(s) and staff should have been a paramount consideration.

This is the problem.....children and teachers are not even a thought.

+1 What about the right of those children to a free and appropriate education (FAPE)?

You don’t want to hear this, but the rights of a student with a disability will always preclude the rights of students without.

You've clearly never dealt with the public schools as the parent of a kid with a disability. I begged. BEGGED to pull my kid out of mainstream school. Begged, pleaded, cried. Hired lawyers.
They didn't pull her until AFTER she had hurt herself. She could have easily hurt someone else but she didn't, just by chance.

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Anonymous wrote:It is horrifying to think of a child who strangled a teacher at 5 and shot a teacher at 6 and what may lie in his future.

Other tiny children should never have been in the vicinity of someone so dangerous and their safety and that of the teacher(s) and staff should have been a paramount consideration.

This is the problem.....children and teachers are not even a thought.

+1 What about the right of those children to a free and appropriate education (FAPE)?

You don’t want to hear this, but the rights of a student with a disability will always preclude the rights of students without.

PP here. I've worked in the special education field for over 30 years, and I advocate for childrrn with special needs every day. As educators, we are doing something wrong when children this volatile are sitting in mainstreamed classes due to our decisions.

I agree with you. Rarely is it the decision of the teachers though. It comes down to admin and parents being willing to hear our feedback and consider the best placement. The concept of LRE gets seriously abused by stakeholders who want full inclusion at any and all cost.

PP here. Yes to all you said, although I think this incident and others, along with the exodus of many teachers from larger school systems with bureaucratic layers (for example, Gwinnett County, GA) will prompt changes. Newport News appears to already be making some needed changes.

Reason #1 I would be a bad teacher is I’d be calling the police from my classroom every single time a child engaged in violent behavior towards me or another child.

Not the principal. Not the superintendent. The cops.

That child’s right to FAPE may trump the right of the other kids. It does not extend to tolerating assault and battery or threats of the same against me or anyone else.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is horrifying to think of a child who strangled a teacher at 5 and shot a teacher at 6 and what may lie in his future.

Other tiny children should never have been in the vicinity of someone so dangerous and their safety and that of the teacher(s) and staff should have been a paramount consideration.

This is the problem.....children and teachers are not even a thought.

+1 What about the right of those children to a free and appropriate education (FAPE)?

You don’t want to hear this, but the rights of a student with a disability will always preclude the rights of students without.

PP here. I've worked in the special education field for over 30 years, and I advocate for childrrn with special needs every day. As educators, we are doing something wrong when children this volatile are sitting in mainstreamed classes due to our decisions.

I agree with you. Rarely is it the decision of the teachers though. It comes down to admin and parents being willing to hear our feedback and consider the best placement. The concept of LRE gets seriously abused by stakeholders who want full inclusion at any and all cost.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is horrifying to think of a child who strangled a teacher at 5 and shot a teacher at 6 and what may lie in his future.

Other tiny children should never have been in the vicinity of someone so dangerous and their safety and that of the teacher(s) and staff should have been a paramount consideration.

This is the problem.....children and teachers are not even a thought.

+1 What about the right of those children to a free and appropriate education (FAPE)?

You don’t want to hear this, but the rights of a student with a disability will always preclude the rights of students without.

PP here. I've worked in the special education field for over 30 years, and I advocate for childrrn with special needs every day. As educators, we are doing something wrong when children this volatile are sitting in mainstreamed classes due to our decisions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is horrifying to think of a child who strangled a teacher at 5 and shot a teacher at 6 and what may lie in his future.

Other tiny children should never have been in the vicinity of someone so dangerous and their safety and that of the teacher(s) and staff should have been a paramount consideration.

This is the problem.....children and teachers are not even a thought.

+1 What about the right of those children to a free and appropriate education (FAPE)?

You don’t want to hear this, but the rights of a student with a disability will always preclude the rights of students without.

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Anonymous wrote:The law already is a free appropriate education. It’s called FAPE. free and appropriate education.

Yeah, well it is being abused and most people are aware of that. Kids who are a danger to other kids or themselves should not be in a mainstream class. It is not appropriate for themselves or for the other kids. And it should not require a year long process to move a kid who is causing classrooms to be evacuated on a regular basis.

I am sorry. I want all kids to be educated but there needs to be a better balance found between the extreme needs of kids whose behaviors are a danger to other kids. And the defense of kids whose are consistently leading to classrooms being evacuated is not helping the cause of kids who can be in a mainstream environment with some extra support. This is not an all or nothing.

I’m not saying there aren’t issues it’s just funny to see people try to rework education while having zero clue what any of this stuff even means. “It should be rewritten to say free and appropriate!!” when it literally already does…

PP, that captures it--I am nervous about what I am seeing, especially the last five years or so.

Anonymous wrote:One of my former students was very out of control. She had tried to cut other students with scissors, hit/punch/kick whatever adult tried to stop her from eloping or hurting other people, etc. Her mother refused mental health services because she was "fine at home." Long story short, there isn't a lot that can be done without parental consent. I felt so bad for this child who was struggling so much. She transferred and I still wonder how she is. We need a lot more mental health counseling and sometimes students just need to be removed for everyone's safety even if the parent doesn't agree.

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+1 I had a student with a lot of emotional and volatile behaviors. One day he just took off me and the principal called the police and were standing outside trying to find said student and the principal said to me this kid could easily turn into a school shooter. That student threw a desk at me the following week-he was in a blind rage didn't even know where he was throwing it. I was lucky to have the principal I did-he supported me every step of the way through a long process to get the child to an ED center. I'm grateful he was the principal because he made sure students and staff were safe and the process moved a long for us. With the wrong principal this could have been a very different situation. This student is an adult now and is in prison. The mom always said he was "fine" he tried to kill mom when he was in high school. I need to say teachers go through a lot more than the community realizes-we are tired and nervous about a lot of things we see and experience.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is horrifying to think of a child who strangled a teacher at 5 and shot a teacher at 6 and what may lie in his future.

Other tiny children should never have been in the vicinity of someone so dangerous and their safety and that of the teacher(s) and staff should have been a paramount consideration.

This is the problem.....children and teachers are not even a thought.

+1 What about the right of those children to a free and appropriate education (FAPE)?

Anonymous wrote:It is horrifying to think of a child who strangled a teacher at 5 and shot a teacher at 6 and what may lie in his future.

Other tiny children should never have been in the vicinity of someone so dangerous and their safety and that of the teacher(s) and staff should have been a paramount consideration.

This is the problem.....children and teachers are not even a thought.

Anonymous wrote:The law already is a free appropriate education. It’s called FAPE. free and appropriate education.

Yeah, well it is being abused and most people are aware of that. Kids who are a danger to other kids or themselves should not be in a mainstream class. It is not appropriate for themselves or for the other kids. And it should not require a year long process to move a kid who is causing classrooms to be evacuated on a regular basis.

I am sorry. I want all kids to be educated but there needs to be a better balance found between the extreme needs of kids whose behaviors are a danger to other kids. And the defense of kids whose are consistently leading to classrooms being evacuated is not helping the cause of kids who can be in a mainstream environment with some extra support. This is not an all or nothing.

The law already is a free appropriate education. It’s called FAPE. free and appropriate education.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus. What do you do with a child like this? Is this nature? Is the child doomed to be a psychopath? Did the parents cause this? Why haven’t the parents’ identity been released? Shouldn’t they be charged like the parents of the Michigan shooter? I get the shooter is a minor, but I don’t like that the parents aren’t facing consequences for allowing their psycho kid to access a gun.

What can we as parents do to keep these dangerous kids away from our own children. If this continues then those who can afford it will leave for private schools since privates can choose who to admit.

As a society we don't want to admit that some people are born bad eggs. Maybe they'll wait until they're in their teens or young adulthood before they do something dangerous, or maybe if the conditions are ripe they'll harm others much earlier, like this kid.

We want to think that every child is special and can be saved, but it's a false premise. I don't know what the answer is, but we need some kind of universal testing and plan for kids who don't meet the requirements to safely interact with others.

This.

We cause our own issues by sticking to a 1950d outdated view of family and childhood. Therapy needs to be improved for children. Current therapy always lays blame at the adults so manipulative and higher functioning children can easily escape consequences and learning cause and effect.

It needs to be easier for parents to get state funded inpatient mental health care without having them surrender their children. Some children may not be able to live in their home environment full time. The number of kids who fit this profile is small but as we can see even just one child can lead to tragic consequences.

I think that what is needed is for schools to allow teachers to physically restrain students and make laws in line with that so teachers aren’t under constant threat of being arrested and/or sued.

Laws should be put in place for stiff penalties for school administrators who don’t take action when teachers have identified a violent student.

Also I don’t think all children should be given access to a free local public education but instead change the law to say an appropriate education in a facility that can meet needs and it doesn’t need to be local

I didn't realize they have new leadership and that they closed the school for a few days.
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