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DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

You had no clue that there is a racism problem in Eastern Europe?

Look, I know that war is scary and emotional, but if you're going to cheer and cry for the heroic underdogs of Ukraine and then do a quick 180 to "these hateful people deserve what they get" because you just learned on a mom forum that there are racists in Eastern Europe, you don't have the maturity to weigh in on this discussion.

Ukraine is under siege and is the victim of Putin in this crisis. There are also racists in Ukraine. There are Nazis in Ukraine. Ukraine is also a very anti-Semitic place with a Jewish leader. Zelenskyy is doing a wonderful job, but he's probably done some shady shit, or yelled at his kids, or cut off a POC in traffic. Ukraine is putting up a heroic defense against the Russian invasion. There are racist Ukrainians mistreating POC. There are non-racist Ukrainians who are not mistreating POC. All of these things are true. You can stop supporting Ukraine if you want, but you will not find a community that will always be 100 percent worthy of your support.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

PP was always on the wrong side of the history, so what else is new.

The right side of history being whatever dide America is on?

Do. WMDs mean anything to you. We're being dragged into another einkess conflict that will only bring us more problems. For a country with effed up values.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you ladies aware of some significant push from African or Asian countries to immigrate to Ukraine or Poland? The weather is too cold, the countries are not rich enough to lure the masses with social benefits. What are they to do, to become more diverse for DCUMs liking?

'Diversity' is the magic word in the United States, but do realize - in many places of the world, the lack of diversity is actually a sign of no colonial past, which, I would say, is not something to hold against a country.

When you come down from whatever meds you’re abusing, try reading the thread. We know you really hate diversity and never miss a chance to rant about it, but you sound positively crazy thrashing at points no one has made.

A pp literally said "The fact that their demographics are overwhelmingly white should indicate that their immigration policies are aimed at keeping their country white." Completely ignoring Ukranian history which, as pp pointed out, does not include colonialism or a slave trade. It's incredibly American-centric to expect every European country to match the demographics of the US.

Americans are so brainwashed about diversity and have zero understanding of European history.

“Brainwashed” in what sense? That’s three major unsupported generalizations in one short sentence.

I’ll push this back on you. Why would pp expect Ukraine to be anything but overwhelmingly white? It’s their native population.

London was overwhelmingly white in the 1980s. It’s far more diverse now. Why? Shifts in immigration policy and a more inviting environment.

Ukraine, Poland, Russia, etc. remain overwhelmingly white. Why? No shift in immigration policy and no inviting environment.

Everyone realizes that unlike the US, Eastern Europe has been very white. It’s remained that way by design. While the rest of the world is mixing, some countries take great pain to prevent diversity.

^^^^
That’s the point.

Russia is literally trying to rebuild a Russian empire. A white, Russian-speaking empire.

Ukraine just joined the EU. If the country is not absorbed by Russia/forced to leave the EU it will likely become more diverse in the future.

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DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

PP was always on the wrong side of the history, so what else is new.

The right side of history being whatever dide America is on?

Do. WMDs mean anything to you. We're being dragged into another einkess conflict that will only bring us more problems. For a country with effed up values.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

Good post Yuri

Yuri is also a common name in Ukraine. You'd know that and other facts if you did your own research.

Thank you for that brilliant post. What other facts do I not know?

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Anonymous wrote:

DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

PP was always on the wrong side of the history, so what else is new.

The right side of history being whatever dide America is on?

Do. WMDs mean anything to you. We're being dragged into another einkess conflict that will only bring us more problems. For a country with effed up values.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

Good post Yuri

Yuri is also a common name in Ukraine. You'd know that and other facts if you did your own research.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

PP was always on the wrong side of the history, so what else is new.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

Good post Yuri

Anonymous wrote:

DP. The world is full of people and nations who need help. A nation of hateful people in which white supremacists are in the mainstream isn’t where I choose to focus my concern. Feel about that however you will.

+1 I am done with Ukraine.

This thread really opened my eyes. I was following news of the conflict avidly until now, cheering on their bravery, crying for their losses, worrying about them, looking for places to donate money to them, and seeing them as really heroic underdogs.

I had NO CLUE about the racism going on until I read this thread and googled the stuff reported on this thread. I'm shocked. I'm a woman of color and I feel sad and disgusted.

There are many other communities who need and deserve my attention, my energy, and my financial support. Not one more inch of that will be given to Ukraine.

Anonymous wrote:The Ukrainians reportedly killed a Russian (Pro-Russian Chechen) General on the battlefield who had previously carried out atrocities against the LGBT community in Chechnya.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this thread has convinced me to give up supporting Ukraine, and that's really sad because I liked their bravery.