Anonymous
02/04/2022 13:20
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Exactly.
So you think that all I have to do to become Italian is to decide that I am?
Isn’t that how this whole “self-ID” movement that liberals are pushing works? I’m a woman because I say I am, never mind that I am an XY and phenotypically male. So, why not that you’re Jewish because just you say you are? No gatekeeping.
Anonymous
02/04/2022 10:37
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Exactly.
So you think that all I have to do to become Italian is to decide that I am?
Anonymous
02/04/2022 10:29
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some people don't believe Judaism is a race.
So its more complicated -- Ashkenazi and Sephardic are Jewish ethnicities. Technically all Races could be Jewish, but just as someone can be Hispanic and White or Hispanic and Black, so too can you be the Jewish ethnicities.
But to many, Jews aren't White....
This sounds like critical race theory
I think critical race theory is about the the intersection of race and law and a way of understanding how American racism has shaped public policy. I do have concerns about how CRT would address Jews and other “model minorities” such as Asians.
Ironically, sadly, and horribly, it might not matter. While some of us have been discussing the difficulties that some Americans may have understanding “race” as Nazi’s understood it many decades ago, laws are being passed that will make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for teachers (and textbooks) to address the history of slavery and legal, racial segregation in the US, let alone address how legal barriers based on American legal definitions of “race” impact our lives today — obviously for some of us much more than for others.
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/03/1077878538/legislation-restricts-what-teachers-can-discuss
Anonymous
02/04/2022 06:50
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some people don't believe Judaism is a race.
So its more complicated -- Ashkenazi and Sephardic are Jewish ethnicities. Technically all Races could be Jewish, but just as someone can be Hispanic and White or Hispanic and Black, so too can you be the Jewish ethnicities.
But to many, Jews aren't White....
This sounds like critical race theory
I think critical race theory is about the the intersection of race and law and a way of understanding how American racism has shaped public policy. I do have concerns about how CRT would address Jews and other “model minorities” such as Asians.
Anonymous
02/03/2022 22:37
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Fortunately, we have laws about this. That doesn't mean some people aren't lawless, but those people and their descendants will melt away in a generation since they're barely hanging on today.
These "laws" only define who can interact within the Orthodox community.
Anonymous
02/03/2022 22:34
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
2 weeks?
Does this mean Rosanne Barr gets her show & career back in 2 weeks too?
Does this mean Rosanne Barr gets her show & career back in 2 weeks too?
Anonymous
02/03/2022 22:19
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Who cares what she thinks? She’s a washed up celebrity on a defunct talk show.
I don't care at all what she thinks. What I do find concerning is that this debacle has revealed how ignorant people are about the Holocaust and who Jews are.
Anonymous
02/03/2022 22:18
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Huh? Judaism is not a race, it’s a religion. They (we) were targeted for being a minority religion.
Race is a social contract and so what race means in a particular time and country will be different. The Nazis thought they were the Aryan race, which was defined to exclude Jews.
Social Construct not social contract
To the PP quoted, Jews were not targeted for being a minority religion. If that were true, non-practicing Jews would have been spared. If that were true, Jews who converted to Christianity would have been spared. If that were true, NUNS with Jewish ancestry would have been spared. But those people were all among those killed. The genocide against Jews had NOTHING to do with religion. It was entirely about race.
As for now, well, the vast majority of Jews do not practice Judaism in any meaningful way. Yet most of those people still call themselves Jews. Why is that? Lapsed Catholics do not call themselves Catholics. Perhaps "race" is not the right word. "Tribe" might be more accurate. But Judaism is not only a religion, and never has been. I would point out that the Jewish people were persecuted long before they adopted the Jewish religion. When the Jews were run out of Egypt, they had not yet found the Jewish faith. That happened later. There is overlap between Jews and those who practice the Jewish faith, but they are not the same thing. Replace the word "Jew" with "Hebrew" or "Judean" and it's less hard to understand.
Anonymous
02/03/2022 21:25
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Huh? Judaism is not a race, it’s a religion. They (we) were targeted for being a minority religion.
Race is a social contract and so what race means in a particular time and country will be different. The Nazis thought they were the Aryan race, which was defined to exclude Jews.
Social Construct not social contract
Anonymous
02/03/2022 21:12
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Fortunately, we have laws about this. That doesn't mean some people aren't lawless, but those people and their descendants will melt away in a generation since they're barely hanging on today.
What laws?
Anonymous
02/03/2022 21:10
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Who cares what she thinks? She’s a washed up celebrity on a defunct talk show.
Anonymous
02/03/2022 21:09
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Fortunately, we have laws about this. That doesn't mean some people aren't lawless, but those people and their descendants will melt away in a generation since they're barely hanging on today.
Anonymous
02/03/2022 21:05
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Exactly.
Anonymous
02/02/2022 23:59
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.
Good luck with that. There are hundreds of Jews right here, in addition to the global community, who cannot seem to agree on what a Jewish person is.
So- no, the community does not have to agree.
Anonymous
02/02/2022 22:57
Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
WTF to both of you.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's up to you how you want to identify. I have a friend with a similar background to yours and she does not consider herself Jewish.
It certainly is confusing.
It actually isn't. If you want to identify as part of a certain community, that community must agree you're one of them.