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Anonymous wrote:Us Oak Hill Residents(Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield, Oak Hill) really need to have a citizen's association and collude with Great Falls Citizens Association to ensure none of us go to what will very likely become the Western Mount Vernon High, just for diversity reasons.

You'd look rather pathetic since western Fairfax has fewer high schools than other parts of the county, several overcrowded schools, and major projected growth. But go right ahead. The GFCA will be happy to align with you as long as they can keep sending their kids to Langley (and keeping your kids out).

Anonymous wrote:Us Oak Hill Residents(Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield, Oak Hill) really need to have a citizen's association and collude with Great Falls Citizens Association to ensure none of us go to what will very likely become the Western Mount Vernon High, just for diversity reasons.

You'd look rather pathetic since western Fairfax has fewer high schools than other parts of the county, several overcrowded schools, and major projected growth. But go right ahead. The GFCA will be happy to align with you as long as they can keep sending their kids to Langley (and keeping your kids out).

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Anonymous wrote:My god some of you really need to take a look at this map. On all sides the Hutchinson site is surrounded by low income areas. Clearview, lake Anne, Herndon to the north and Dogwood/Coates to the south. Other poster is correct in asserting that Hutchinson HS will be the Mount Vernon of Western Fairfax. And in turn the closest areas from overcrowded Centreville/Chantilly to Westfield are the low income areas of Brookfield/Centre ridge/Bull Run. It seems all but likely that Hutchinson HS will be built and Westfield HS will be triaged to improve the other pyramids in Western Fairfax.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

Except that's not how they'd draw the boundaries.

They aren't going to load up Western HS with all those schools. More likely it would be Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill.

Pulling Hutchison out of Herndon will allow them to move Forestville and part of Great Falls to Herndon. That would reduce the concentration of poverty at Herndon and create space at Langley to accommodate growth further east planned in Tysons.

Pulling Coates, McNair, and part of Floris out of Westfield would allow them to move Bull Run from Centreville and potentially move Willow Springs out of Fairfax to Centreville.

Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would relieve overcrowding there.

Pulling Fox Mill out of South Lakes would enable South Lakes, if necessary, to take more of Crossfield if Oakton were overcrowded.

Of course this is conjecture, but (1) they won't create "Mount Vernon West" if they build at Hutchison and (2) any new high school will inevitably result in many boundary changes.

We will have to check back on this thread in four years to see who is right! Will proximity and the standard of concentrating Poverty be the standard or will the school board truly embrace an “equity” model for once?

We won't know in four years. Maybe eight if they plan ahead.

But the "Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill" model isn't one or the other. It would be a relatively compact and contiguous area that might be somewhat higher than average FARMS for FCPS but not at Mount Vernon/Lewis/Justice levels with two high-FARMS feeders (Hutchison, Coates), one average FARMS feeder (McNair), and two and a half low-FARMS feeders (Oak Hill, Fox Mill and 1/2 of Floris).

But even more compact and closer would be including Dogwood/Herndon/Clearview. Wouldn’t it? South Lakes PTA/Chantilly PTA/ Herndon PTA will fight like hell, especially south lakes after they fought so hard for Fox mill/Floris.It isn’t fair to those neighborhoods as this would become their FOURTH redistricting in as many years from Oakton>Westfield>South Lakes>Hutchinson, why must we keep moving around high performing Asians who can’t advocate for themselves, to mask the failure to educate hispanic kids from Herndon/Reston?

I don't think compactness should override some demographic balance, especially when we are talking about a set of schools that would also create a contiguous, relatively compact attendance area.

Herndon ES and Clearview ES are very close to Herndon HS, so there's not much of a case to be made for moving them. Assigning Dogwood to the new school, along with Hutchison and Coates, would concentrate poverty at the new school, and in any event Dogwood is in Reston and has close ties to South Lakes.

Yes, some neighborhoods that would be reassigned have been redistricted before. That was part of the original rationale for a new high school in the Floris/Oak Hill area - to finally have a high school closer to those neighborhoods and put an end to the frequent redistricting. But, in any case, it wouldn't be their fourth redistricting "in as many years" or that they might not be redistricted yet again if a new school isn't built.

If they build a new high school near Hutchison, there will be people happy with the opportunity to send their kids to a brand-new school that may also be closer to their homes. There will be people happy with the effect that it might have on other schools like Herndon. There will be people who are indifferent. And there will be people who are opposed and will keep trying to kill this school and/or a Hutchison location long before it's built. Right now, some have an ally in Elaine Tholen, who has already demonstrated that she puts the interests of Great Falls over those of everyone else in her district, but she's unpopular, barely survived a recall petition, and will likely be gone by the time any final decisions are made about the new school or its boundaries.

But one way or the other, given all the housing approved near the Silver Line extension, they will have to sort it out and decide if they are prepared to have multiple high schools in western Fairfax with close to 3000 kids or more, all because some people are so averse to sending their kids to school with poorer kids.

Us Oak Hill Residents(Floris, Fox Mill, Crossfield, Oak Hill) really need to have a citizen's association and collude with Great Falls Citizens Association to ensure none of us go to what will very likely become the Western Mount Vernon High, just for diversity reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My god some of you really need to take a look at this map. On all sides the Hutchinson site is surrounded by low income areas. Clearview, lake Anne, Herndon to the north and Dogwood/Coates to the south. Other poster is correct in asserting that Hutchinson HS will be the Mount Vernon of Western Fairfax. And in turn the closest areas from overcrowded Centreville/Chantilly to Westfield are the low income areas of Brookfield/Centre ridge/Bull Run. It seems all but likely that Hutchinson HS will be built and Westfield HS will be triaged to improve the other pyramids in Western Fairfax.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

Except that's not how they'd draw the boundaries.

They aren't going to load up Western HS with all those schools. More likely it would be Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill.

Pulling Hutchison out of Herndon will allow them to move Forestville and part of Great Falls to Herndon. That would reduce the concentration of poverty at Herndon and create space at Langley to accommodate growth further east planned in Tysons.

Pulling Coates, McNair, and part of Floris out of Westfield would allow them to move Bull Run from Centreville and potentially move Willow Springs out of Fairfax to Centreville.

Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would relieve overcrowding there.

Pulling Fox Mill out of South Lakes would enable South Lakes, if necessary, to take more of Crossfield if Oakton were overcrowded.

Of course this is conjecture, but (1) they won't create "Mount Vernon West" if they build at Hutchison and (2) any new high school will inevitably result in many boundary changes.

We will have to check back on this thread in four years to see who is right! Will proximity and the standard of concentrating Poverty be the standard or will the school board truly embrace an “equity” model for once?

We won't know in four years. Maybe eight if they plan ahead.

But the "Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill" model isn't one or the other. It would be a relatively compact and contiguous area that might be somewhat higher than average FARMS for FCPS but not at Mount Vernon/Lewis/Justice levels with two high-FARMS feeders (Hutchison, Coates), one average FARMS feeder (McNair), and two and a half low-FARMS feeders (Oak Hill, Fox Mill and 1/2 of Floris).

I wonder what the Oak Hill and Fox Mill areas would think of this idea...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My god some of you really need to take a look at this map. On all sides the Hutchinson site is surrounded by low income areas. Clearview, lake Anne, Herndon to the north and Dogwood/Coates to the south. Other poster is correct in asserting that Hutchinson HS will be the Mount Vernon of Western Fairfax. And in turn the closest areas from overcrowded Centreville/Chantilly to Westfield are the low income areas of Brookfield/Centre ridge/Bull Run. It seems all but likely that Hutchinson HS will be built and Westfield HS will be triaged to improve the other pyramids in Western Fairfax.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

Except that's not how they'd draw the boundaries.

They aren't going to load up Western HS with all those schools. More likely it would be Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill.

Pulling Hutchison out of Herndon will allow them to move Forestville and part of Great Falls to Herndon. That would reduce the concentration of poverty at Herndon and create space at Langley to accommodate growth further east planned in Tysons.

Pulling Coates, McNair, and part of Floris out of Westfield would allow them to move Bull Run from Centreville and potentially move Willow Springs out of Fairfax to Centreville.

Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would relieve overcrowding there.

Pulling Fox Mill out of South Lakes would enable South Lakes, if necessary, to take more of Crossfield if Oakton were overcrowded.

Of course this is conjecture, but (1) they won't create "Mount Vernon West" if they build at Hutchison and (2) any new high school will inevitably result in many boundary changes.

We will have to check back on this thread in four years to see who is right! Will proximity and the standard of concentrating Poverty be the standard or will the school board truly embrace an “equity” model for once?

We won't know in four years. Maybe eight if they plan ahead.

But the "Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill" model isn't one or the other. It would be a relatively compact and contiguous area that might be somewhat higher than average FARMS for FCPS but not at Mount Vernon/Lewis/Justice levels with two high-FARMS feeders (Hutchison, Coates), one average FARMS feeder (McNair), and two and a half low-FARMS feeders (Oak Hill, Fox Mill and 1/2 of Floris).

But even more compact and closer would be including Dogwood/Herndon/Clearview. Wouldn’t it? South Lakes PTA/Chantilly PTA/ Herndon PTA will fight like hell, especially south lakes after they fought so hard for Fox mill/Floris.It isn’t fair to those neighborhoods as this would become their FOURTH redistricting in as many years from Oakton>Westfield>South Lakes>Hutchinson, why must we keep moving around high performing Asians who can’t advocate for themselves, to mask the failure to educate hispanic kids from Herndon/Reston?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My god some of you really need to take a look at this map. On all sides the Hutchinson site is surrounded by low income areas. Clearview, lake Anne, Herndon to the north and Dogwood/Coates to the south. Other poster is correct in asserting that Hutchinson HS will be the Mount Vernon of Western Fairfax. And in turn the closest areas from overcrowded Centreville/Chantilly to Westfield are the low income areas of Brookfield/Centre ridge/Bull Run. It seems all but likely that Hutchinson HS will be built and Westfield HS will be triaged to improve the other pyramids in Western Fairfax.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

Except that's not how they'd draw the boundaries.

They aren't going to load up Western HS with all those schools. More likely it would be Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill.

Pulling Hutchison out of Herndon will allow them to move Forestville and part of Great Falls to Herndon. That would reduce the concentration of poverty at Herndon and create space at Langley to accommodate growth further east planned in Tysons.

Pulling Coates, McNair, and part of Floris out of Westfield would allow them to move Bull Run from Centreville and potentially move Willow Springs out of Fairfax to Centreville.

Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would relieve overcrowding there.

Pulling Fox Mill out of South Lakes would enable South Lakes, if necessary, to take more of Crossfield if Oakton were overcrowded.

Of course this is conjecture, but (1) they won't create "Mount Vernon West" if they build at Hutchison and (2) any new high school will inevitably result in many boundary changes.

This seems the most common sense, fair solution. The school board unfortunately will never approve something like this. It makes too much sense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My god some of you really need to take a look at this map. On all sides the Hutchinson site is surrounded by low income areas. Clearview, lake Anne, Herndon to the north and Dogwood/Coates to the south. Other poster is correct in asserting that Hutchinson HS will be the Mount Vernon of Western Fairfax. And in turn the closest areas from overcrowded Centreville/Chantilly to Westfield are the low income areas of Brookfield/Centre ridge/Bull Run. It seems all but likely that Hutchinson HS will be built and Westfield HS will be triaged to improve the other pyramids in Western Fairfax.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

Except that's not how they'd draw the boundaries.

They aren't going to load up Western HS with all those schools. More likely it would be Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill.

Pulling Hutchison out of Herndon will allow them to move Forestville and part of Great Falls to Herndon. That would reduce the concentration of poverty at Herndon and create space at Langley to accommodate growth further east planned in Tysons.

Pulling Coates, McNair, and part of Floris out of Westfield would allow them to move Bull Run from Centreville and potentially move Willow Springs out of Fairfax to Centreville.

Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would relieve overcrowding there.

Pulling Fox Mill out of South Lakes would enable South Lakes, if necessary, to take more of Crossfield if Oakton were overcrowded.

Of course this is conjecture, but (1) they won't create "Mount Vernon West" if they build at Hutchison and (2) any new high school will inevitably result in many boundary changes.

We will have to check back on this thread in four years to see who is right! Will proximity and the standard of concentrating Poverty be the standard or will the school board truly embrace an “equity” model for once?

We won't know in four years. Maybe eight if they plan ahead.

But the "Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill" model isn't one or the other. It would be a relatively compact and contiguous area that might be somewhat higher than average FARMS for FCPS but not at Mount Vernon/Lewis/Justice levels with two high-FARMS feeders (Hutchison, Coates), one average FARMS feeder (McNair), and two and a half low-FARMS feeders (Oak Hill, Fox Mill and 1/2 of Floris).

Equity according to them or according to their 100k consultant?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My god some of you really need to take a look at this map. On all sides the Hutchinson site is surrounded by low income areas. Clearview, lake Anne, Herndon to the north and Dogwood/Coates to the south. Other poster is correct in asserting that Hutchinson HS will be the Mount Vernon of Western Fairfax. And in turn the closest areas from overcrowded Centreville/Chantilly to Westfield are the low income areas of Brookfield/Centre ridge/Bull Run. It seems all but likely that Hutchinson HS will be built and Westfield HS will be triaged to improve the other pyramids in Western Fairfax.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

Except that's not how they'd draw the boundaries.

They aren't going to load up Western HS with all those schools. More likely it would be Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill.

Pulling Hutchison out of Herndon will allow them to move Forestville and part of Great Falls to Herndon. That would reduce the concentration of poverty at Herndon and create space at Langley to accommodate growth further east planned in Tysons.

Pulling Coates, McNair, and part of Floris out of Westfield would allow them to move Bull Run from Centreville and potentially move Willow Springs out of Fairfax to Centreville.

Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would relieve overcrowding there.

Pulling Fox Mill out of South Lakes would enable South Lakes, if necessary, to take more of Crossfield if Oakton were overcrowded.

Of course this is conjecture, but (1) they won't create "Mount Vernon West" if they build at Hutchison and (2) any new high school will inevitably result in many boundary changes.

We will have to check back on this thread in four years to see who is right! Will proximity and the standard of concentrating Poverty be the standard or will the school board truly embrace an “equity” model for once?

We will just have to see.

I wish they would just announce the site for sure.

Any new boundaries they draw have to account for willingness of parents to send their children to the new school.

Anonymous wrote:My god some of you really need to take a look at this map. On all sides the Hutchinson site is surrounded by low income areas. Clearview, lake Anne, Herndon to the north and Dogwood/Coates to the south. Other poster is correct in asserting that Hutchinson HS will be the Mount Vernon of Western Fairfax. And in turn the closest areas from overcrowded Centreville/Chantilly to Westfield are the low income areas of Brookfield/Centre ridge/Bull Run. It seems all but likely that Hutchinson HS will be built and Westfield HS will be triaged to improve the other pyramids in Western Fairfax.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

Except that's not how they'd draw the boundaries.

They aren't going to load up Western HS with all those schools. More likely it would be Hutchison, Coates, McNair, part of Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill.

Pulling Hutchison out of Herndon will allow them to move Forestville and part of Great Falls to Herndon. That would reduce the concentration of poverty at Herndon and create space at Langley to accommodate growth further east planned in Tysons.

Pulling Coates, McNair, and part of Floris out of Westfield would allow them to move Bull Run from Centreville and potentially move Willow Springs out of Fairfax to Centreville.

Moving Oak Hill out of Chantilly would relieve overcrowding there.

Pulling Fox Mill out of South Lakes would enable South Lakes, if necessary, to take more of Crossfield if Oakton were overcrowded.

Of course this is conjecture, but (1) they won't create "Mount Vernon West" if they build at Hutchison and (2) any new high school will inevitably result in many boundary changes.

My god some of you really need to take a look at this map. On all sides the Hutchinson site is surrounded by low income areas. Clearview, lake Anne, Herndon to the north and Dogwood/Coates to the south. Other poster is correct in asserting that Hutchinson HS will be the Mount Vernon of Western Fairfax. And in turn the closest areas from overcrowded Centreville/Chantilly to Westfield are the low income areas of Brookfield/Centre ridge/Bull Run. It seems all but likely that Hutchinson HS will be built and Westfield HS will be triaged to improve the other pyramids in Western Fairfax.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/Elementary%20School%20Boundaries%20With%20High%20School%20Boundaries.pdf

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The progressives need to take a look at history. With the exception of Stu Gibson, every Democrat has either advocated or quietly supported concentrating poverty, nothing is going to change with this school board, Hutchinson is going to be the amount Vernon High of Western fairfax.

The current school board, including frauds like Tholen, will be gone by the time decisions are made about boundaries for the new western HS.

Meet the new board, same as the old board.

Hopefully a little less full of themselves, but pp isn’t wrong to point out that moving kids around to lessen a schools’ amount of working class kids isn’t really done and hasn’t been for years and years.

Anonymous wrote:The progressives need to take a look at history. With the exception of Stu Gibson, every Democrat has either advocated or quietly supported concentrating poverty, nothing is going to change with this school board, Hutchinson is going to be the amount Vernon High of Western fairfax.

The current school board, including frauds like Tholen, will be gone by the time decisions are made about boundaries for the new western HS.