Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:27
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I definitely feel for her family. As a distant secondary issue, I’m also irate with him and the family, not only for the obvious moral failure to share info re: her whereabouts, but also for the HUGE waste of taxpayer dollars that an investigation of this magnitude will require. So many department/agency resources involved—many unnecessarily—because this man won’t provide information about someone for whom he once cared. An effort of this scale/geography will be ungodly expensive and pull resources from other law enforcement and park efforts.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:26
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
can you explain how he ended up with her car?
He is innocent until proven guilty. He has not burden of proof. But I’m just like you: a disinterested observer. 3 possible scenarios I see:
- she committed suicide, or
- she stormed off in a fit of rage; maybe they had yet another major fight (they did that a lot) or
- he abandoned her or
- he killed her (probably pushed her over a cliff).
But yes - self defense is also possible: we know she was the one physically abusing him.
Ok. Then why won't he share the last time and place he saw her with the police?
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:25
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
can you explain how he ended up with her car?
He is innocent until proven guilty. He has not burden of proof. But I’m just like you: a disinterested observer. 3 possible scenarios I see:
- she committed suicide, or
- she stormed off in a fit of rage; maybe they had yet another major fight (they did that a lot) or
- he abandoned her or
- he killed her (probably pushed her over a cliff).
But yes - self defense is also possible: we know she was the one physically abusing him.
he drove off in a car he didn't own. most of what you list would have him driving a stolen vehicle
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:23
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
can you explain how he ended up with her car?
He is innocent until proven guilty. He has not burden of proof. But I’m just like you: a disinterested observer. 3 possible scenarios I see:
- she committed suicide, or
- she stormed off in a fit of rage; maybe they had yet another major fight (they did that a lot) or
- he abandoned her or
- he killed her (probably pushed her over a cliff).
But yes - self defense is also possible: we know she was the one physically abusing him.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 10:18
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think leaving someone on the side of the road taking their car in a desert is negligent homicide. Because likely would die of exposure.
stealing the car is a felony. If she dies as a result of the felony, then it's felony murder. He better hope it wasn't in a state with the death penalty because felony murder usually qualifies
She lent him the car.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:48
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
NP. I think he looks like a methhead.
He definitely looks drugged out.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:46
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know his type. I’m betting she wears her heart on her sleeve. He winds her up by gaslighting her and telling her to calm down. She is crying and emotional but he appears to be calm and stable. It only escalates from there.He was probably telling her she was out of control and couldn’t drive and needed to go take a walk. She’s thinking she’s not out of control and wants HER car keys. Just bc she’s crying doesn’t mean she’s out of control.
I’m upset the police officers described her as manic. In the video she appeared to be scared and crying but answering questions just fine. When I hear someone being described as manic I think if that person running around, screaming and out of control.
I think he left her on the side of the road somewhere in the desert. He thought she’d eventually find her way out of it- walk to a town, a passerby would help. She got lost and died. I think she’ll be found not too far from a road, dead from exposure to the elements.
Yeah, no. He had her car and her phone. Dude did not leave her alive on the roadside. He knows she’s dead.
He knows now. But I think he wanted to teach her a lesson. Took her phone so she couldn’t call for help. Wanted her to “calm down and take a walk” like before. He went back later and she was gone.
No, sorry. I’m not sure why you’re so invested in him not having actually killed her, but that is by far the mostly likely explanation for all of this.
Everybody wants to exonerate the white guy. He looks so nice/normal, right?
NP. I think he looks like a methhead.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:45
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
Omg like TOTALLY! He probably, like, HAD to murder her for his own safety, amirite? And then he just was like sooooo traumatized from what he was forced - by her craziness - to do, that he didn’t want to call the cops! And of course when her mom texted her, he just like had no other choice than to pretend to be her, right? And now like everyone’s all “Where’s Gabby? Can you please just tell us what happened and end our horrible suffering?” and it’s like…now HE’S the bad guy? I don’t think so.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:44
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:
I’m upset the police officers described her as manic. In the video she appeared to be scared and crying but answering questions just fine. When I hear someone being described as manic I think if that person running around, screaming and out of control.
The part that says manic is the reporting officer summarizing the boyfriend’s account of the morning leading up to the incident, not their characterization of her behavior after the stop.
I don’t think we can determine from the limited pieces we have whether the boyfriend is lying, using the concept of a manic phase correctly, or using it incorrectly/colloquially. It could be any of the 3. Running around, screaming is not always how a manic episode presents in people. It could escalate to what you described. I’m inclined to think the boyfriend is unqualified to diagnose anything and had other motives at the time of his statement, so I wouldn’t put much stock into it other than what it is, which is a window into his mindset.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:43
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I think leaving someone on the side of the road taking their car in a desert is negligent homicide. Because likely would die of exposure
Agreed, and think this is likely what happened.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:43
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:I think leaving someone on the side of the road taking their car in a desert is negligent homicide. Because likely would die of exposure.
stealing the car is a felony. If she dies as a result of the felony, then it's felony murder. He better hope it wasn't in a state with the death penalty because felony murder usually qualifies
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:43
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
Why won't he say where he last saw her then? If he was not guilty, he'd gladly cooperate with some location details.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:42
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
I think leaving someone on the side of the road taking their car in a desert is negligent homicide. Because likely would die of exposure.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:36
Subject: Re:Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is that short word they blocked out long enough to be ‘depression’? Maybe mania?
I'm willing to bet that 99 times out of 100 male troopers would ALWAYS say the woman more depressed, more crazy. Every time. This means ZERO to me.
Did you watch the video? She was crying and upset and admitted she was stressed about her travel video blog and was having a hard time with her anxiety and OCD. On top of that, she admitted to slapping and hitting him causing the bleeding on his face and distracting him from driving. The police asked her if he physically harmed her and she said no. They didn't charge her with assault and physically separated them for the night. They also allowed her to call her parents and keep them on the line while she was in the police vehicle and being questioned. She was wearing revealing clothes so they would have noticed any bruises or marks. What else were the police supposed to do in this situation? She showed no signs of being harmed and had multiple opportunities to ask them for help. I know people are saying they could have prevented all of this, but they left her with the van and removed the boyfriend. If things were so bad she could have just left the boyfriend behind and went home, after the police escorted him to the hotel he had no idea where she was.
Are you serious? I can't even with you.
Anonymous
09/17/2021 09:35
Subject: Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two women who worked at the co-op where the missing girl and her bf were fighting were found murdered while camping in the area. A man with an arsenal of weapons is the suspect.
She might have been killed by that other guy. That’s what the police are looking into now.
Check out the Daily Mail.
That's my problem. He is a dirt bag and abusive, but that doesn't mean he killed her.
Wait - we know SHE was physically abusing him! (and he didn’t fight back apparently).
plus she admits she is mentally ill on the video, she knows it, but she isn’t being treated.
She was probably abusing him mentally and emotionally too. If anyone here can be described as “abusive,” all the evidence points to her as the abuser.
can you explain how he ended up with her car?