Anonymous wrote:Based on nothing but speculation, I agree the elder Ms. Guthrie must have died. Otherwise, there would be a serious, credible ransom request.

I fear Savannah’s reported salary/wealth may have prompted this awful mess.

It makes me question allowing anyone 80 or over live alone in so isolated a setting….no matter how much he/she demands to.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't they know from pacemaker data whether she's alive or dead?

I wondered the same thing. Seems like the pacemaker would be attached to a cardiologist's network, and irregularities noted.

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't they know from pacemaker data whether she's alive or dead?

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't they know from pacemaker data whether she's alive or dead?

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

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Anonymous wrote:A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

A lot of th side doors in Tucson are the sliding patio doors which are super easy to break into (it’s just a snap lock and then the doors slide open). My dad always installed a metal cross bar to prevent this. Also that neighborhood is super super dark so it does not surprise me that no neighbor captured anything usable on camera. Would be more likely that they would catch something at th cameras at one of the major intersections near there. But those are also pretty dark. I hate driving there at night because I find the utter blackness terrifying. Tucson historically had light restrictions due to the observatory at Kitt Peak I think.

I was just going to comment something similar about how dark those suburban desert communities are if there isn’t a full moon, and how windy the streets can be. And the houses often back to a canyon or hills or something.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone in Nancy’s inner circle needs to be examined thoroughly then cleared. One can’t make grand assumptions that’s it’s so cruel to question a grieving family. It’s really not. If a child gets a broken arm, the parents are also questioned. It’s part of routine procedure.

Anonymous wrote:Nancy used a walker and walking cane.
She couldn’t walk more than 50 feet without one.

Was the walker or cane missing from the house?

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Anonymous wrote:No. I said pages back that if the Guthries are lucky her remains will be found one day by a hiker and they’ll have that as closure but that’s about it. She has probably long since died. Whatever the circumstances of her abduction, the police don’t actually know, as usual, and she’s too old to get through it in good health. Police rarely solve these things of the abductee doesn’t miraculously turn up again and tell them who did it like Jaycee Dugard or Elizabeth Smart. They don’t know who killed Jonbenet and she was found in her own house within 12 hours. Nancy is gone and they are unlikely to ever fully know what happened to her.

They know who killed jonbenet. A grand jury voted to indict the parents for child endangerment. The evidence very clearly points to abuse by her brother and her parents covering it up. But yes, police completely mishandled the initial crime scene and investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I said pages back that if the Guthries are lucky her remains will be found one day by a hiker and they’ll have that as closure but that’s about it. She has probably long since died. Whatever the circumstances of her abduction, the police don’t actually know, as usual, and she’s too old to get through it in good health. Police rarely solve these things of the abductee doesn’t miraculously turn up again and tell them who did it like Jaycee Dugard or Elizabeth Smart. They don’t know who killed Jonbenet and she was found in her own house within 12 hours. Nancy is gone and they are unlikely to ever fully know what happened to her.

They know who killed jonbenet. A grand jury voted to indict the parents for child endangerment. The evidence very clearly points to abuse by her brother and her parents covering it up. But yes, police completely mishandled the initial crime scene and investigation.

Anonymous wrote:No. I said pages back that if the Guthries are lucky her remains will be found one day by a hiker and they’ll have that as closure but that’s about it. She has probably long since died. Whatever the circumstances of her abduction, the police don’t actually know, as usual, and she’s too old to get through it in good health. Police rarely solve these things of the abductee doesn’t miraculously turn up again and tell them who did it like Jaycee Dugard or Elizabeth Smart. They don’t know who killed Jonbenet and she was found in her own house within 12 hours. Nancy is gone and they are unlikely to ever fully know what happened to her.