Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:46     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
“There is not a crime, there is not a dodge, there is not a trick, there is not a swindle, there is not a vice which does not live by secrecy.” - J Pulitzer

The good news is that I am sure a journalist or ten is already on the case.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:45     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
I was mildly interested in who the VIP was, byt seeing how upset someone is about the topic makes me reallllly interested. Must be a real humdinger of a BS VIP.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:37     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
I’m not sure if this is a DEI issue or a broader military training issue. But it is definitely questionable why a pilot fairly new out of flight school, likely at her first duty station, with 450 hrs, not only gets tasked as a White House aide, but also gets tasked with flying VIPs and high level government officials around. It seems like that would be a position reserved for senior level pilots. Major airlines require 1500 hours to be a commercial pilot.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:37     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a local who regularly flies in and out of DCA, I’m furious they were conducting a training exercise at night in the busy airspace of DCA. They killed a bunch of local kids in the process. So yeah, we want the whole picture. The “why” behind the location and timing of this training exercise is a directly relevant question. If it turns out it was an inappropriate VIP taxi ride and there was otherwise no legitimate military purpose for conducting “training” at this time/place, it compounds the culpability of the Army in the death of all these civilians. Anyone who tells you otherwise has an agenda to either protect the military or the privacy of the individual(s) who got a BH taxi ride that night. (The last time I posted was probably dozens if not 100 pages ago, so just stop with the “it’s just one poster” nonsense).


Exactly.


+1. It is completely relevant. And only made more so by the secrecy. PR fail for sure. Would have been much better just to say the BH “was returning to Belvoir after dropping off Senator Blah blah. He/she is horrified by the tragedy.”

Would be old news now.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:34     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:As a local who regularly flies in and out of DCA, I’m furious they were conducting a training exercise at night in the busy airspace of DCA. They killed a bunch of local kids in the process. So yeah, we want the whole picture. The “why” behind the location and timing of this training exercise is a directly relevant question. If it turns out it was an inappropriate VIP taxi ride and there was otherwise no legitimate military purpose for conducting “training” at this time/place, it compounds the culpability of the Army in the death of all these civilians. Anyone who tells you otherwise has an agenda to either protect the military or the privacy of the individual(s) who got a BH taxi ride that night. (The last time I posted was probably dozens if not 100 pages ago, so just stop with the “it’s just one poster” nonsense).


She probably needed the hours and had time that day to fly around. That’s how the reserves and check rides work.

Maybe she didn’t review the briefing or flight specs well.
Maybe there was a seizure or heart attack onboard.
Maybe something jammed and flew things off track involuntarily.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:31     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:As a local who regularly flies in and out of DCA, I’m furious they were conducting a training exercise at night in the busy airspace of DCA. They killed a bunch of local kids in the process. So yeah, we want the whole picture. The “why” behind the location and timing of this training exercise is a directly relevant question. If it turns out it was an inappropriate VIP taxi ride and there was otherwise no legitimate military purpose for conducting “training” at this time/place, it compounds the culpability of the Army in the death of all these civilians. Anyone who tells you otherwise has an agenda to either protect the military or the privacy of the individual(s) who got a BH taxi ride that night. (The last time I posted was probably dozens if not 100 pages ago, so just stop with the “it’s just one poster” nonsense).


Exactly.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:23     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Who is the person obsessed with the names of the VIP and people on the plane(s) for the last 50 pages? You don't have any decent points to contribute and you just post the same pointless, irrelevant question over and over.


You think its just one person? Everyone I know IRL wants to know who the "VIP" was. If you are from here, you know how much abuse there is with these VIP flights. It was probably Elon's kid, or someone's dog.


Yes, I am pretty sure it is just one person. No one else cares as it isn't relevant at all to the crash. You and only you are obsessed with names. It is just a broken record about nothing. I could ask 20 times on every page but what colour was the paint on the bottom of the plane. But I don't. Repeatedly asking pointless questions like a broken record just makes the thread boring and breaks up the productive discussions and comments from people with critical thinking.


DP here. I haven’t posted as often but there are definitely at least two of us who think a VIP drop off was involved. It’s not a pointless question to me. That is subjective.


Can you explain how you think the name of the VIP who was dropped off is essential to understanding this crash. Thousand of VIP are picked up and dropped off each year but you think there was some great conspiracy with this VIP that caused the plane to crash and if you obsessively and repeatedly ask about their name over and over and over and over and over and over and over, then it is going to give you answers as to what happened?


NP here. I would like to know bc if initially it was a VIP drop off, then it would have been the reason the BH was flying in the first place and we wouldn’t even be discussing this because the BH wouldn’t have been where it was when the AA jet was trying to land.

How can it not be relevant? The BH was doing a training exercise possibly to make use of the travel coming back after dropping off a VIP. Just like avoiding naming the third solider in the BH, delaying answering this question IMO makes the situation worse.


My understanding, I think from CNN reporting this morning, is that the family asked for her name to be held back because she was a woman and they feared her being blamed and vilified as an unqualified DEI hire.


CNN said the family stated things the reasons they withheld the name: blah blah z

Or CNN said the family withheld the name for awhile, “we at cnn think it’s because X, y or z.”

Big difference.

OpED garbage needs to get out of journalism reporting on tv and online/print. Back to its own opinion section, the plebes can’t distinguish between fact and opinion. They’ve been dumbed down too much, on both sides.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:10     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
As a local who regularly flies in and out of DCA, I’m furious they were conducting a training exercise at night in the busy airspace of DCA. They killed a bunch of local kids in the process. So yeah, we want the whole picture. The “why” behind the location and timing of this training exercise is a directly relevant question. If it turns out it was an inappropriate VIP taxi ride and there was otherwise no legitimate military purpose for conducting “training” at this time/place, it compounds the culpability of the Army in the death of all these civilians. Anyone who tells you otherwise has an agenda to either protect the military or the privacy of the individual(s) who got a BH taxi ride that night. (The last time I posted was probably dozens if not 100 pages ago, so just stop with the “it’s just one poster” nonsense).
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:00     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.


Oh you like Club Fed tenure-based hiring, titling, promoting, etc. Any warm body will do.

Sorry, that’s now how performance and the human capital earnings function works in the real world and performance based work environments. Quality of education, experience, and knowledge matters. Not hanging around the hoop for 20 years.


You make no sense. I guarantee the more experienced, lower-ranking male pilot (who skipped OCS) was a far better pilot than his “superior” with half the experience and 10 fewer years on this earth.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 13:00     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I work in a SCIF. Literally everyone at work is curious about who the VIP was.

Why would you think its just one person interested in this?

The fact that Trump, Hegseth, etc are working SO HARD to hide the aspect of the VIP flight means there is likely something untoward about it.

Everyone who lives in a DC flight path suspects these VIP flights are used by non-VIPs.


No one is hiding anything. It is irrelevant to the discussion. Just like the names of everyone else who has ever travelled through that air space. Did Biden release a list of every person who had been on a helicopter in that airspace during his four years? No. Why would Trump do that either? They don't release irrelevant details just to entertain the conspiracy theorists.


Oh, you are funny. If this happened under Biden, the entire MAGA ecospace would be screaming wanting to know who the "VIP" was, and making up stories that it was a trans black pedophile illegal immigrant.

Nothing irrelevant about the VIP's identity or purpose of the trip and I for one will be very interested to find out all the details in the investigation report.


+1
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 12:59     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.


The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.


I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 12:52     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.


Oh you like Club Fed tenure-based hiring, titling, promoting, etc. Any warm body will do.

Sorry, that’s now how performance and the human capital earnings function works in the real world and performance based work environments. Quality of education, experience, and knowledge matters. Not hanging around the hoop for 20 years.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 12:50     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread deteriorated.
Excellent facts and insights on other sites in this matter, but the BH box will be key to finding out if mechanical, medical or pilot team error, and the three sources of the BH altitude and river positioning.
Training hours and when will come in to play if no mechanical or medical emergency at play.

Nothing to do now but wait and listen to investigation.


"Investigation"?

Who was the vip? Why can't they say?

Military was involved.

Do you really think there will be an unbiased "investigation"?


And who were on that plane? Each one, say their name.


Dude, get a grip. The helo probably drove around 3-5 people that day, or more.

You don’t have a real point. You don’t have a “gotcha” anything. Pilots need flight hours to stay valid.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 12:48     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread deteriorated.
Excellent facts and insights on other sites in this matter, but the BH box will be key to finding out if mechanical, medical or pilot team error, and the three sources of the BH altitude and river positioning.
Training hours and when will come in to play if no mechanical or medical emergency at play.

Nothing to do now but wait and listen to investigation.


"Investigation"?

Who was the vip? Why can't they say?

Military was involved.

Do you really think there will be an unbiased "investigation"?


They were likely flying about all day here and there. With passengers or without.

Having their weekly schedule and log books isn’t going to help anything unless there was some massive party right before the 8pm trip. Or they were working 18 hour days.

Everything else is very typical, the team flew or drove up, did some briefings, maybe had a meeting, did some helo drills, then eventually did someone’s required night check ride.

Anonymous
Post 02/03/2025 12:41     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I work in a SCIF. Literally everyone at work is curious about who the VIP was.

Why would you think its just one person interested in this?

The fact that Trump, Hegseth, etc are working SO HARD to hide the aspect of the VIP flight means there is likely something untoward about it.

Everyone who lives in a DC flight path suspects these VIP flights are used by non-VIPs.


No one is hiding anything. It is irrelevant to the discussion. Just like the names of everyone else who has ever travelled through that air space. Did Biden release a list of every person who had been on a helicopter in that airspace during his four years? No. Why would Trump do that either? They don't release irrelevant details just to entertain the conspiracy theorists.


Oh, you are funny. If this happened under Biden, the entire MAGA ecospace would be screaming wanting to know who the "VIP" was, and making up stories that it was a trans black pedophile illegal immigrant.

Nothing irrelevant about the VIP's identity or purpose of the trip and I for one will be very interested to find out all the details in the investigation report.