Anonymous wrote:I work in a SCIF. Literally everyone at work is curious about who the VIP was.

Why would you think its just one person interested in this?

The fact that Trump, Hegseth, etc are working SO HARD to hide the aspect of the VIP flight means there is likely something untoward about it.

Everyone who lives in a DC flight path suspects these VIP flights are used by non-VIPs.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the person obsessed with the names of the VIP and people on the plane(s) for the last 50 pages? You don't have any decent points to contribute and you just post the same pointless, irrelevant question over and over.

You think its just one person? Everyone I know IRL wants to know who the "VIP" was. If you are from here, you know how much abuse there is with these VIP flights. It was probably Elon's kid, or someone's dog.

Yes, I am pretty sure it is just one person. No one else cares as it isn't relevant at all to the crash. You and only you are obsessed with names. It is just a broken record about nothing. I could ask 20 times on every page but what colour was the paint on the bottom of the plane. But I don't. Repeatedly asking pointless questions like a broken record just makes the thread boring and breaks up the productive discussions and comments from people with critical thinking.

DP here. I haven’t posted as often but there are definitely at least two of us who think a VIP drop off was involved. It’s not a pointless question to me. That is subjective.

Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

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Excellent facts and insights on other sites in this matter, but the BH box will be key to finding out if mechanical, medical or pilot team error, and the three sources of the BH altitude and river positioning.
Training hours and when will come in to play if no mechanical or medical emergency at play.

Nothing to do now but wait and listen to investigation.

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Excellent facts and insights on other sites in this matter, but the BH box will be key to finding out if mechanical, medical or pilot team error, and the three sources of the BH altitude and river positioning.
Training hours and when will come in to play if no mechanical or medical emergency at play.

Nothing to do now but wait and listen to investigation.

"Investigation"?

Who was the vip? Why can't they say?

Military was involved.

Do you really think there will be an unbiased "investigation"?

And who were on that plane? Each one, say their name.

Oh come on. You think there was a Russian spy or something on the plane and this was a planned suicide mission? Absurd.

Anonymous wrote:We need an unbiased NTSB investigation. Contact your congressional delegation and demand an apolitical NTSB investigation by current employees free from interference by the administration or anyone else. Tell them you won’t feel comfortable buying airline tickets without the independent NTSB investigating and FAA implementing whatever changes may be necessary. Tell the airline execs the same thing. They have louder voices than we do

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Anonymous wrote:I know that some people on here really want to blame the female pilot, but I ask you to ask yourselves if you were training someone and they were taking risks you weren’t comfortable with, isn’t it your responsibility to get them back into the realm of safety? And if the ATC is trying to make both pilots aware of a risk they are encountering, and you are in charge of answering, isn’t it your job to make sure you and the other pilot are aware of the risk the ATC is alerting you to before you answer in the affirmative and take responsibility for that risk?

Not trying to throw all the blame at the trainer, just think there was more than one failure here. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this situation.

And again, just to echo what other folks are saying, if this training was really just the return trip of the helo necessitated by some initial (and perhaps not really necessary) VIP trip, we deserve to know that, too.

I think the copilot was equally culpable.

Why? Please be specific. And also please tell us your qualifications and experience that give you insight.

He was communicating with ATC and claimed to have eyes on the plane.

And he very well may have. He wasn't the one controlling where the helicopter went.

You have absolutely no idea what was going on in the helicopter. Let the NTSB issue their report and stop this pathological need to blame people before facts are known.

From the ATC video, the copilot, a male voice was reassuring ATC he has things under control. Up until 1-2 secs of the crash.

He sounded calm and clear, not panicked, so I don't think there was any disagreement between him and the pilot.

Not blaming anyone, but if it was some kind of error that led to this, all the three soldiers were equally wrong.

Why would the crew chief be “wrong?”

It was their responsibility to ensure safe flight operations

A crew chief is a mechanic. They are responsible for the equipment of the aircraft. A crew chief is not a pilot and does not have flight training. They have no control over the piloting. Both pilots outranked the crew chief.

Bless you for having the patience to continue trying to educate in this thread.

Why does an ex-black hawk crew chief say differently?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/is-it-safe-time-fly-black-hawk/

“The pilots’ jobs are to fly the aircraft. The crew chief’s job is airspace surveillance and obstacle avoidance,” he said.

I have no idea why he would say that. How strange!

Nothing strange.
I posted above "educating" you all.

An Air force crew chief vs an Army Black hawk crew chief. Look it up.

You know nothing about black hawks so just stop

I am quoting a ex black hawk chief with sources. Why should I stop?

You give us your credentials.

The crew cheif is mainly responsible for taking care the helicopter. Their secondary job while flying is to see what the pilots’ cannot see, in other words, vantage points NOT directly in front on the pilots. You know…because enemy aircraft comes from all directions. There’s a reason why no one is casting blame on the crew chief and the pilots are getting the brunt of it. Plus the incorrect altitude. Sorry, this is almost entirely on the pilots.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread deteriorated.
Excellent facts and insights on other sites in this matter, but the BH box will be key to finding out if mechanical, medical or pilot team error, and the three sources of the BH altitude and river positioning.
Training hours and when will come in to play if no mechanical or medical emergency at play.

Nothing to do now but wait and listen to investigation.

"Investigation"?

Who was the vip? Why can't they say?

Military was involved.

Do you really think there will be an unbiased "investigation"?

And who were on that plane? Each one, say their name.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread deteriorated.
Excellent facts and insights on other sites in this matter, but the BH box will be key to finding out if mechanical, medical or pilot team error, and the three sources of the BH altitude and river positioning.
Training hours and when will come in to play if no mechanical or medical emergency at play.

Nothing to do now but wait and listen to investigation.

"Investigation"?

Who was the vip? Why can't they say?

Military was involved.

Do you really think there will be an unbiased "investigation"?

Anonymous wrote:This thread deteriorated.
Excellent facts and insights on other sites in this matter, but the BH box will be key to finding out if mechanical, medical or pilot team error, and the three sources of the BH altitude and river positioning.
Training hours and when will come in to play if no mechanical or medical emergency at play.

Nothing to do now but wait and listen to investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone posted a video simulation on Reddit of what the sky might have looked like for the helicopter pilots. They probably didn’t see the airplane until they were right in front it. I do believe they were looking at the departing flight to the right when they should have been looking for the descending plane on the left. It seems like the ATC should have been more specific about the location of the plane.

The sky was not an issue - they confirmed they could see other planes so it wasn’t an issue of weather/fog/clarity etc..

The planes wings had flashing anti collision lights that can be seen several miles away.





Planes aren’t sitting in the sky in stealth mode with the lights out.

No, you don’t know this is true for this situation.

You can literally see light illuminating from the plane on multiple angles of surveillance camera footage

So I guess they saw the lights and just killed a bunch of people and themselves for funsies. That makes more sense.

Wouldn’t be the first time