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Post 05/16/2022 16:32     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Hmmm are the Republicans softening their string up the leaker rhetoric?
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Post 05/16/2022 15:48     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:This has NOTHING to do with abortion and 100% to do with the privacy rights that ARE guaranteed by our constitution.

Women want to give birth at home. Homebirths can be banned. It's not in the constitution, right?

Women want to have large families. Large families can be banned. It's not in the constitution, right?

Women want to then homeschool their children. Homeschooling can be banned. It's not in the constitution, right?

Women have PRIVACY rights, the rights to decide when and how they want to have their children and raise their children.

Make no mistake. This is an attack on ALL women -- women who are pro abortion, women who are anti choice. It really makes NO difference. If you are in favor of women having children and having families and raising those families the way that you think that they should be raised, then be VERY scared of this opinion. It is taking away YOUR rights too. It has NOTHING to do with abortion at all. It states specifically that women have NO fundament rights at all unless they are specifically guaranteed by the constitution.


The supreme court needs to be freed from these unevolved old timey dinosaurs.
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Post 05/16/2022 15:41     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

This has NOTHING to do with abortion and 100% to do with the privacy rights that ARE guaranteed by our constitution.

Women want to give birth at home. Homebirths can be banned. It's not in the constitution, right?

Women want to have large families. Large families can be banned. It's not in the constitution, right?

Women want to then homeschool their children. Homeschooling can be banned. It's not in the constitution, right?

Women have PRIVACY rights, the rights to decide when and how they want to have their children and raise their children.

Make no mistake. This is an attack on ALL women -- women who are pro abortion, women who are anti choice. It really makes NO difference. If you are in favor of women having children and having families and raising those families the way that you think that they should be raised, then be VERY scared of this opinion. It is taking away YOUR rights too. It has NOTHING to do with abortion at all. It states specifically that women have NO fundament rights at all unless they are specifically guaranteed by the constitution.
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Post 05/16/2022 15:37     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:The whole sacred talk is awash in religion and we are not a theocracy. My religion does not teach that a fertilized egg is sacred, so keep your laws off my body.


You know perfectly well that many abortions occur when the developing child is far more than a fertilized egg. Your terminology makes it easier for women to view babies as disposable and abort them.


There is literally no one who thinks this. There are however millions of women who felt they had no safer choice, either for health or personal reasons. You should try talking to women in countries where abortion is completely illegal someday. Of course you can’t talk to many of them, because they’re dead.
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Post 05/16/2022 15:30     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Life is sacred. It's why people are disturbed and saddened to think that over 60 MILLION developing babies have been aborted since Roe vs Wade.


And what about the mothers who will die within to access to medical care? Just burn it all down right? It’s insane. You are insane. Roe balances these interests, Dobbs enslaved women to the state.


Most of those 60 million babies were not aborted because their mothers couldn't access medical care.


And you missed my point entirely genius.

Dobbs allows the states to ban ALL abortion if they choose. The justification for overturning Roe and Casey, per Alito, is that woman have no rights to abortion, ever. Ever. Get it? No right to save their own lives if needed. Completely up to whims of elected officials. The most radical judicial opinion I’ve ever read. A black stain on the SCOTUS, and a tragedy in the making.
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Post 05/16/2022 15:18     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous wrote:The whole sacred talk is awash in religion and we are not a theocracy. My religion does not teach that a fertilized egg is sacred, so keep your laws off my body.


You know perfectly well that many abortions occur when the developing child is far more than a fertilized egg. Your terminology makes it easier for women to view babies as disposable and abort them.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2022 14:22     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

The whole sacred talk is awash in religion and we are not a theocracy. My religion does not teach that a fertilized egg is sacred, so keep your laws off my body.
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Post 05/16/2022 11:40     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Life is sacred. It's why people are disturbed and saddened to think that over 60 MILLION developing babies have been aborted since Roe vs Wade.


If life is sacred, why are you and pro-life legislators deliberately killing pregnant mothers? If life was sacred, then there would be exceptions for the life of the mother. Ectopic pregnancies and pregnancies where the mother's life was seriously at risk to continue the pregnancy would be paramount and would be exempt. If life is sacred, then the existing living mother would be a priority of the potential life of the baby. If life was sacred, the laws would allow for D&C procedures for miscarriages to avoid the chance that the mother would die of sepsis due to fetus that could no longer become a viable baby.

And while you think this is not happening, there are over 10 red states who either already have trigger laws in place or are writing laws right now that will ban all of the above. So, these legislators believe that killing mothers and forcing them to bear children that will be orphaned by the birth is acceptable. They believe that mothers of miscarriages should die rather than allow a doctor to remove the already dead fetus from her womb. They believe that in a case where either one or both of the mother and baby would be at risk of dying if the pregnancy were allowed to continue, that the mother should be sacrificed and definitely die rather than to terminate the pregnancy to allow her to live.

Life is not sacred to these people. Political points are sacred these people.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2022 11:31     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

I would love to know how many people posting here about how abortion should be banned because all life is sacred are also over in the formula shortage thread posting their outrage that formula is being given to children in immigration custody and accommodations are being made to allow WIC recipients to get the formula their children need?
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Post 05/16/2022 11:10     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Life is sacred. It's why people are disturbed and saddened to think that over 60 MILLION developing babies have been aborted since Roe vs Wade.


Life is sacred. It's why people are disturbed and saddened to think that we still don't have universal healthcare and strong social safety nets to help the people who've already been born.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2022 11:08     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Fraught*
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Post 05/16/2022 11:07     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Life is sacred. It's why people are disturbed and saddened to think that over 60 MILLION developing babies have been aborted since Roe vs Wade.


Why do 50-90% of all conceptions fail to make it to birth if life is so sacred from the moment of fertilization? Please answer that.


Reproduction is a messy drought process. Just because republicans have manipulated it into a black and white, up or down, voting issue does not make it so.
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Post 05/16/2022 11:06     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:Improchoice and do have an issue with people having abortions later in pregnancy for things other than complications with the fetus or the mother's health. The problem becomes once you start restricting things and adding more hoops for people to jump through, doctors are reluctant to provide the care that people need in a timely manner for being sued or prosecuted. That's not good for the woman, the family, the city state or the United States. We need to trust medical professionals and allow people the autonomy to make those decisions. Looking at the facts third trimester abortions are rarely done for fun. So to argue that we don't want women just to wake up one day and be sick of being pregnant and go get an abortion. That's just not something that the facts support is happening. So I don't understand why we're putting so much weight on that I guess


The fact of the matter is that people who are having late term abortions are not doing it for sh*ts and grins. These are people who have bought furniture, painted rooms, dreamed of names etc and then are faced with a horrific choice.

No one carries a fetus for 6 months and then decides, nah, I don't want it.


“No one”. There you have it. The omniscient forum poster has spoken. We should all believe them.


It is extremely rare, yes. But it’s definitely not “no one.” This woman aborted her healthy 7-month fetus. The mother’s life/health also were not in danger.

“ Vial was 22 at the time. She had recently ended her relationship and said she was sure she did not want to continue the pregnancy.

"I was already having a tough time in my life in a lot of other ways and it just felt like one more thing I really couldn't bear, or provide for, and I was panicked, I guess," Vial said.

Vial found a clinic in New Mexico that told her they would end her pregnancy up until 28 weeks — the beginning of the third trimester.

She scrambled, with the help of family, friends and a nonprofit that helps women pay for abortions, to pull together the fee of more than $10,000.

"[There were] a lot of people telling me how they felt about my situation without me asking — friends, family, strangers," Vial said. "I mean, you tell someone that you're seven months pregnant and having an abortion, they've got some things to say."

"People I thought were my friends made it clear to me that they disapproved," she said. "And that's fine. It wasn't changing my mind."”


Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718546468/opponents-fight-efforts-to-protect-late-term-abortion-rights

In a perfect world, Vial perhaps* wouldn't have been able to abort her healthy, viable fetus. In our imperfect world, enacting laws or regulations to prevent her abortion means that doctors would be reluctant to perform even the medically indicated or necessary 3rd trimester abortions. So, for every one "irresponsible" late abortion, there would be thousands of women denied medically indicated late abortions. It's better to leave the decision to the pregnant women and their doctors.

*perhaps, because none of us know Vial's mental health status.
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Post 05/16/2022 11:01     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Unless the baby is guilty you don't execute


What about a fetus?


It's a growing baby with your family's DNA.


And I guess the mother’s body is just a vessel that she has no control over right?


I've never thought of a mother as just a vessel and a growing baby as just a fetus Do you?


Anyone who subjects a woman to not have propriety over their own body believes they are just a vessel.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2022 11:00     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:YLS may want to start rethinking their admissions policy. The thread below is insane. Hard to believe these people are future lawyers.



Free speech.

If I ever see Alito in person I will scream at him until his ears bleed.

Alito is now the new Hitler, the new Mussolini.

I will not have my liberty downgraded because he is a sexist pig.

I will not be willingly enslaved.


Just move to Maryland or DC. Problem solved.


Not if there's a nationwide ban.


Very unlikely to happen. Abortion wasnt illegal throughout the US before RvW so it doesnt logically follow that it will be banned after.


Abortion wasn’t politicized before the way it is now. Sure Catholics opposed it but it wasn’t a core tenet of right wing ideology until later


Pre-1980's Catholics practiced what they preached. They also didn't impose their religion on to others the way the Evangelicals are now.


There is scant evidence this has happened due to anyone's religion. Many people believe abortion is murder and they have concerns with murder for many reasons, some moral and some practical.


But they are fine with the death penalty


did the baby do something wrong and go to trail to get aborted?


DP. If you believe in the sanctity of life, you should be opposed to the willful taking of all life.


+1 Is life sacred or not? Are some lives less sacred than others?


Life is sacred. It's why people are disturbed and saddened to think that over 60 MILLION developing babies have been aborted since Roe vs Wade.


NARRATOR....they were aborted before Roe as well, but a lot of mothers died too. I guess that is what you want ultimately, women dying in alleys because their uteruses were shredded by coat hangers.