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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.

If you read the truth as hate, thats really more on you.

And “paying full tuition” may be telling on yourself more than you realize.

You haven’t posted “truth” anywhere on this thread.

Imagine if I went to a thread dedicated to doctors and their frustrations. I then repeatedly post how they are wrong, correcting them about their real experiences while I’ve had none. I also tell them they are entitled and whiny, even though I (once again) have no clue about their profession. I’d come across as ignorant and obnoxious, correct? Well, that’s where we are with your contributions here.

If you read a thread where (some) doctors said they suffered conditions no other professional could endure, and said they were being entitled and whiny, I’d agree with you. And so would those doctors who had any sense of perspective.

There are many teachers on this thread. One teacher wrote one post. Get over it already. Plenty of others have agreed with you that teaching is hard, but not necessarily harder. You selectively ignored ALL of those, presumably because it’s more fun to antagonize hard working teachers. This isn’t an attractive look for you.

(And I STILL wouldn’t ignorantly post on a thread about the challenges of being a doctor. If one actually wrote they have it worse than all other professions, why would I dig in and vehemently disagree? Perhaps they are correct. Or they are writing after a tough, discouraging day… in which case I would offer support. But you and I are different, I suppose.)

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.

If you read the truth as hate, thats really more on you.

And “paying full tuition” may be telling on yourself more than you realize.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.

If you read the truth as hate, thats really more on you.

And “paying full tuition” may be telling on yourself more than you realize.

You haven’t posted “truth” anywhere on this thread.

Imagine if I went to a thread dedicated to doctors and their frustrations. I then repeatedly post how they are wrong, correcting them about their real experiences while I’ve had none. I also tell them they are entitled and whiny, even though I (once again) have no clue about their profession. I’d come across as ignorant and obnoxious, correct? Well, that’s where we are with your contributions here.

If you read a thread where (some) doctors said they suffered conditions no other professional could endure, and said they were being entitled and whiny, I’d agree with you. And so would those doctors who had any sense of perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.

If you read the truth as hate, thats really more on you.

And “paying full tuition” may be telling on yourself more than you realize.

You haven’t posted “truth” anywhere on this thread.

Imagine if I went to a thread dedicated to doctors and their frustrations. I then repeatedly post how they are wrong, correcting them about their real experiences while I’ve had none. I also tell them they are entitled and whiny, even though I (once again) have no clue about their profession. I’d come across as ignorant and obnoxious, correct? Well, that’s where we are with your contributions here.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.

If you read the truth as hate, thats really more on you.

And “paying full tuition” may be telling on yourself more than you realize.

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Anonymous wrote:The teachers aren’t well trained either. They present worksheets with incorrect spelling. They don’t know how to teach phonics. They are poor in math skills and even poorer in explaining concepts. They don’t understand higher level math and how they should be better supporting it. They don’t prepare kids adequately for the next grade. They are inexperienced and think that grabbing worksheets off TpT website is a best practice! I’ve not seen much creativity in the method of teaching in 9+ years.

50 years ago, smart women became teachers. Now they have lots more options, so the pool of candidates for teaching positions is of significantly worse quality.

+1 The teachers that we keep hiring in are dingbats.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they think they deserve a lot more money and respect than the job actually calls for.

Neat. Enjoy homeschooling.

Don't have to homeschool. There are plenty of people in this area without any professional or real advanced education (definitely not counting the "liberal arts master's degree" my BIL got for the bump in teacher pay) to be teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

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Anonymous wrote:Two things IMO:

(1) Educational standards have changed, making teaching more difficult. Textbooks are not used, which force teachers to come up with curriculum every day and find resources on their own. There are expectations that teachers teach to every level of student, which is, of course, impossible. It's exhausting and you cannot be successful.

(2) Parenting has changed. We wanted to believe that our child's peers would have engaged parents who cared about them and truly wanted to be there for their kids. What we found at private school was that the parents were disengaged and the kids were brats. At public, it was split with the good kids in the advanced classes and the kids with totally checked out parents in the other classes. You cannot teach when the kids don't care to learn.

I wanted to be a teacher and thought I would move to it when my financial situation allowed, but now at age 52, I have no interest in returning. I don't think they want teachers like me who like to teach math by the book with plenty of practice and repetition, regular tests and quizzes with fair grades, and a strict classroom with no phones or devices period.

It sounds like you are describing WES. Maybe apply there?

Parenting hasn't changed that much. And, many teachers buy a bad curriculum online, few do it themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Complainers: “Teachers have it so easy.”

My response: “We’re hiring. Come on board!”

Usually shuts them up.

And then you will complain about new teachers.

Perhaps retention rates are so poor because younger teachers with the qualifications to leave don’t want to work with older teachers who whine constantly?

Veteran teachers are not what's driving young teachers to quit. Full stop.

If the ones on this board are anything to go by, I think you’re wrong.

You think any of these people who were targeted by Elon Musk are going to want to work with someone who seriously complains about the time their donut was taken away?

https://wjla.com/news/local/maryland-teacher-shortage-hiring-laid-off-federal-government-workers-feds-to-eds-program-fast-track-process-reducing-staff-shortages-montgomery-county-prince-georges-baltimore-teaching-vacancies-certifications

Oh, it’s you. (I’m guessing all the anti-teacher posts on this thread are you, actually.)

So where’s the retention data? That program brought in 32 people across two cohorts. Have any idea how they’re doing?

Its very easy to find that out, just ask Jeff, but there are several people who don’t buy the “teachers suffer endlessly” story on this thread.

Yeah, but only one of them repeatedly posts hyperbole in the same manner. (Seriously, nobody has posted that “teachers suffer endlessly”. Those are your words and yours only.)

And, as I’ve posted before:

This is literally a thread about teachers’ challenges. You have nothing contribute as you don’t know what it’s like to teach.

If you would like to start a thread to belittle teachers and to post your assumptions about the field, what’s stopping you? Then your posts would actually be on-topic.

Because this thread needs perspective that isn’t, as another DP put it, so reeking with main character syndrome’. Good teachers (whom i know) resent the heck out of whining co-workers and the damage they do the profession.

I don’t believe you. You have not had that conversation. And good teachers care about making things better, so they aren’t silent.

You seem to be oddly drawn to a thread that has nothing to do with you. Teachers ARE the main characters on a thread about teachers. I’m not sure why that bothers you, but it clearly does.