I see one from one affluent school to another and shifts the "island" from one school to another. Makes no sense.

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone chime in and play devil’s advocate, from the school board’s perspective, how is this boundary shift supposed to benefit the students?

The 4/11 presentation alone contemplates at least 51 shifts:

Kings Park/Kings Glen ES to Ravensworth ES
Halley ES to Lorton Station ES
Hayfield SS to South County MS
Groveton ES to Hollin Meadows ES
Fort Hunt ES to Hybla Valley ES
Bull Run ES to Centre Ridge ES
Deer Park ES to London Towne ES
Navy ES to Oak Hill ES
Olde Creek ES to Laurel Ridge ES
Daniels Run ES to Providence ES
Sangster ES to Newington Forest ES
Lake Braddock SS to South County MS
Westbriar ES to Wolftrap ES
Willow Springs ES to Fairfax Villa ES
Willow Springs ES to Eagle View ES
Johnson MS to Frost MS
Keene Mill ES to White Oaks ES
Keene Mill ES to Cardinal Forest ES
Cardinal Forest ES to Keene Mill ES
Flint Hill ES to Oakton ES
Oakton ES to Flint Hill ES
Pine Spring ES to Westlawn ES
Johnson MS to Frost MS
Frost MS to Johnson MS
Fairfax HS to Woodson HS
Woodson HS to Frost MS
Lake Braddock SS to South County HS
Longfellow MS to Cooper MS
Longellow MS to Kilmer MS
Kilmer MS to Longfellow MS
McLean HS to Langley HS
Marshall HS to McLean HS
Graham Road ES to Timber Lane ES
Pine Spring ES to Timber Lane ES
Timber Lane ES to Graham Road ES
Timber Lane ES to Shrevewood ES
Jackson MS to Longfellow MS
Kilmer MS to Thoreau MS
Sleepy Hollow ES to Bailey's/Bailey's Upper ES
Sleepy Hollow ES to Glen Forest ES
Sleepy Hollow ES to Beech Tree ES
Glen Forest ES to Parklawn ES
Mason Crest ES to Sleepy Hollow ES
Bailey's/Bailey's Upper ES to Sleepy Hollow ES
Columbia ES to Annandale Terrace ES
Columbia ES to Weyanoke ES
Weyanoke ES to Bren Mar Park ES
Parklawn ES to Columbia ES
Bren Mar Park ES to North Springfield ES
Sandburg MS to Whitman MS
West Potomac HS to Mount Vernon HS

Some of these appear to make sense; many others do not or create other issues not yet addressed. The point of such massive shifts from the SB's perspective is to be able to point out some things that appear to make sense, such as eliminating the Sangster and Westbriar ES attendance islands, and then burying all the bad stuff in the sheer volume of changes.

These 50+ changes are only based on the 4/11 proposals; they will be followed by additional proposals on 4/25 and then in early May. With this many changes, you can forget about much grandfathering.

People considering to pay $2500 extra a month just to send their kids to Langley, do not sound like peasants to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that those in favor of the adjustment cannot give good, valid reasons why it is needed. FCPS will spend buckets of money on this.

A)Some schools are over capacity.
B)Some schools are under capacity.
Schools A and B share boundaries.
The end.

Maybe a school is over capacity because FCPS planning sucks and we have School Board members like Karl Frisch ignoring it while wasting tens of millions on an unnecessary new elementary school in Dunn Loring.

I want smarter planning and capital investments, not kids moved around like widgets to cover up their incompetence and inattention to detail.

This really is the major point.

FCPS isn't trusted to make good faith decisions, decisions ACTUALLY taken to benefit the students and community and based on accurate data. All appearances are that they will waste money budgeted for the system for the sake of advancing their political careers and make decisions for personal reasons rather than the good of the system.

If FCPS is so terrible, please move to another school district. I have heard fabulous reviews of Howard County Public Schools and Arlington Public Schools. Nobody is forcing you to stay in fcps.

I see you don't deny their wasteful spending. Heaven forbid, we get upset at poor governance. Damn peasants think we should get a say!

Vote the school board out in the next election. That is your say.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone chime in and play devil’s advocate, from the school board’s perspective, how is this boundary shift supposed to benefit the students?

They believe that by reducing split feeders and attendance islands, that school attendance will improve. Especially in lower income areas. If a kid in a low income apartment complex misses the bus, they might not have another way to get to school. But if they lived close enough, they could at least walk. And that parent participation/involvement/sense of community will increase if all the kids are attending their closest schools. Again, this is more an issue in the lower SES areas.

Agree that is important. Please tell me which low income areas do not go to the closest schools. I've seen equity supporters on here suggest busing low income areas to schools that are further away in the name of "equity."

It’s more an issue in the eastern part of the county. There are two attendance islands in low income areas that I can think of off the top of my head - Hagel Cir. In Lorton is currently bused across 95 to attend Halley and another complex on Rt. 1 is currently bussed past numerous other schools and across Rt. 1 to attend Fort Hunt. The initial round of proposals fixed both of these islands. There may be others, I don’t know off hand.

I see the value of kids attending their closest schools, but I don’t think these moves are going to be as impactful as the board was thinking/hoping. It does remove a transportation barrier but ultimately, cultural barriers are also at play.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone chime in and play devil’s advocate, from the school board’s perspective, how is this boundary shift supposed to benefit the students?

They believe that by reducing split feeders and attendance islands, that school attendance will improve. Especially in lower income areas. If a kid in a low income apartment complex misses the bus, they might not have another way to get to school. But if they lived close enough, they could at least walk. And that parent participation/involvement/sense of community will increase if all the kids are attending their closest schools. Again, this is more an issue in the lower SES areas.

Agree that is important. Please tell me which low income areas do not go to the closest schools. I've seen equity supporters on here suggest busing low income areas to schools that are further away in the name of "equity."

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that those in favor of the adjustment cannot give good, valid reasons why it is needed. FCPS will spend buckets of money on this.

A)Some schools are over capacity.
B)Some schools are under capacity.
Schools A and B share boundaries.
The end.

Maybe a school is over capacity because FCPS planning sucks and we have School Board members like Karl Frisch ignoring it while wasting tens of millions on an unnecessary new elementary school in Dunn Loring.

I want smarter planning and capital investments, not kids moved around like widgets to cover up their incompetence and inattention to detail.

This really is the major point.

FCPS isn't trusted to make good faith decisions, decisions ACTUALLY taken to benefit the students and community and based on accurate data. All appearances are that they will waste money budgeted for the system for the sake of advancing their political careers and make decisions for personal reasons rather than the good of the system.

If FCPS is so terrible, please move to another school district. I have heard fabulous reviews of Howard County Public Schools and Arlington Public Schools. Nobody is forcing you to stay in fcps.

I see you don't deny their wasteful spending. Heaven forbid, we get upset at poor governance. Damn peasants think we should get a say!

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone chime in and play devil’s advocate, from the school board’s perspective, how is this boundary shift supposed to benefit the students?

They believe that by reducing split feeders and attendance islands, that school attendance will improve. Especially in lower income areas. If a kid in a low income apartment complex misses the bus, they might not have another way to get to school. But if they lived close enough, they could at least walk. And that parent participation/involvement/sense of community will increase if all the kids are attending their closest schools. Again, this is more an issue in the lower SES areas.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that those in favor of the adjustment cannot give good, valid reasons why it is needed. FCPS will spend buckets of money on this.

A)Some schools are over capacity.
B)Some schools are under capacity.
Schools A and B share boundaries.
The end.

Maybe a school is over capacity because FCPS planning sucks and we have School Board members like Karl Frisch ignoring it while wasting tens of millions on an unnecessary new elementary school in Dunn Loring.

I want smarter planning and capital investments, not kids moved around like widgets to cover up their incompetence and inattention to detail.

This really is the major point.

FCPS isn't trusted to make good faith decisions, decisions ACTUALLY taken to benefit the students and community and based on accurate data. All appearances are that they will waste money budgeted for the system for the sake of advancing their political careers and make decisions for personal reasons rather than the good of the system.

If FCPS is so terrible, please move to another school district. I have heard fabulous reviews of Howard County Public Schools and Arlington Public Schools. Nobody is forcing you to stay in fcps.

You sound like a MAGA, PP; telling people to move out of the U.S. if they point out things not being done the way you want.

Someone suggested MFGA for the SB shills, which I absolutely love because it fits so perfectly.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that those in favor of the adjustment cannot give good, valid reasons why it is needed. FCPS will spend buckets of money on this.

A)Some schools are over capacity.
B)Some schools are under capacity.
Schools A and B share boundaries.
The end.

Maybe a school is over capacity because FCPS planning sucks and we have School Board members like Karl Frisch ignoring it while wasting tens of millions on an unnecessary new elementary school in Dunn Loring.

I want smarter planning and capital investments, not kids moved around like widgets to cover up their incompetence and inattention to detail.

This really is the major point.

FCPS isn't trusted to make good faith decisions, decisions ACTUALLY taken to benefit the students and community and based on accurate data. All appearances are that they will waste money budgeted for the system for the sake of advancing their political careers and make decisions for personal reasons rather than the good of the system.

If FCPS is so terrible, please move to another school district. I have heard fabulous reviews of Howard County Public Schools and Arlington Public Schools. Nobody is forcing you to stay in fcps.

You sound like a MAGA, PP; telling people to move out of the U.S. if they point out things not being done the way you want.

Can anyone chime in and play devil’s advocate, from the school board’s perspective, how is this boundary shift supposed to benefit the students?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow is attending Langley this big of a deal? Why not just spent those $2,500 a month on a private school? I must be living in a different reality

I don't think it is Langley people posting this.

I think 15:55 is indeed a Langley poster who has previously posted in the thread that an end-run around rezoning Forestville to Herndon is renting in the Tysons area that might get rezoned to Langley.

It's not like there are great private schools easily accessible from Great Falls.

Wait, so anyone rezoned to HHS from Langley just has to pay 2-2.5k per month for a rental in the pyramid to stay at Langley? It’s that easy to thwart this BS?

Does the same opportunity exist for the Lewis pyramid?

It might- there is a large apartment complex on Old Keene that is probably safe and a number of rentals in the Cardinal Forest condo areas. It just depends if they really intend to crack down on people using a rental address that they don’t actually live at.

If you have older kids, there’s always the IB to AP loophole but that would just get you placed out of Lewis and into likely SoCo or Hayfield, since WSHS is closed to transfers.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow is attending Langley this big of a deal? Why not just spent those $2,500 a month on a private school? I must be living in a different reality

I don't think it is Langley people posting this.

I think 15:55 is indeed a Langley poster who has previously posted in the thread that an end-run around rezoning Forestville to Herndon is renting in the Tysons area that might get rezoned to Langley.

It's not like there are great private schools easily accessible from Great Falls.

Wait, so anyone rezoned to HHS from Langley just has to pay 2-2.5k per month for a rental in the pyramid to stay at Langley? It’s that easy to thwart this BS?

Does the same opportunity exist for the Lewis pyramid?

DP. The situation is different in that PP is talking about apartments in Tysons currently zoned to McLean now getting rezoned into Langley, and then someone who gets moved from Langley to Herndon renting one of those properties for the mailing address.

In comparison, nothing is going to get moved into West Springfield, just possibly out of it. And there aren't nearly as many rentals in the WSHS district under $2500/month as there are in Tysons.

Anonymous wrote:Wow is attending Langley this big of a deal? Why not just spent those $2,500 a month on a private school? I must be living in a different reality

Most of the private schools around here are way more than 2,500 a month.

Anonymous wrote:I find it so brazen and telling that they don’t even pretend to care about minimizing disruption to students. At least include it among other priorities and/or as some sort of guiding principle. Instead, it’s buried in the community feedback. It’s a priority for the community but not the board. I find that incredibly disappointing.

Agreed. Especially after their prior consultant told them it should be one of the core pillars of any boundary policy. The. They the SB just ignored them.