Anonymous wrote:

Hey "pro-lifers," here's a 13-year-old girl in Mississippi who was raped and didn't even know she was pregnant who was forced to give birth to child AS SHE'S STARTING 7th GRADE. You assured us this never happened, that these situations were all made up.

Read the entire article, and then please explain why your single-minded crusade to control women's (and young girl's) bodies makes the world a better place.

Anonymous wrote:

This, repeated endlessly among forced birther states, makes me want to vomit. I ducking hate forced birthers.

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Anonymous wrote:***For the love of god, don’t read this is if you’re pregnant or have birth trauma***

To be clear I am aware that unfortunate accidents like this have always happened, especially with fetal death, but with doctors fleeing red states and with the lack of legal abortion in so many states now, this is going to start happening more. If my understanding is correct, technically shoulder dystocia can happen to any birthing woman, but it’s more likely if the fetus is too big (which can be a consequence of gestational diabetes, which pregnant women need to be screened and have appropriate treatment for and that’s not going to happen if there isn’t enough prenatal care) or if the pelvic opening is too small (which can be positional or because someone is too young to give birth safely).

https://apnews.com/article/decapitated-baby-delivery-lawsuit-georgia-hospital-doctor-ffcb2e9e7745ffc6f429ad9000a77519

But hey, LiFe, right? What’s a few more women per year maybe getting to hold their deceased newborn that some poor obstetric nurse has just had to suture the head back on? That’s no big deal according to forced birthers.

Horrific. What in the world happened here???

This is a horrific story, but the doctor who allegedly performed this botched delivery was an experienced provider with more than ten years in practice— this wasn’t specifically the work of the forced birthers.

On the other hand, this is a spot on example of why we have such grim maternal mortality statistics. The couple says they asked for a cesarean. Inevitably that would have saved the child’s life— but it could as easily be the mothers life. Women just aren’t seen as having a say in their own care by a large proportion of the medical community.

I’m the pp who posted that story and correct, this is not the direct fault of the forced birthers, but it does become a bigger risk as fewer providers practice in forced birther states and as more women (and girls) have children they didn’t want and potentially couldn’t access prenatal care for.

In this situation the charge is that the doctor made a pretty big error, I think in performing the Zavanelli maneuver or something similar, as part of the treatment of shoulder dystocia. Shoulder dystocia is when the head has emerged by the shoulder bone gets stuck behind the pubic bone. (Chatter online suggests the biggest mistake committed by the doctor was in trying to cover this up, thus violating the family’s trust)

Intrauterine fetal demise can also cause a fetus to begin to decompose and fetal heads can become decapitated for this reason. But there’s no suggestion that this was a stillbirth, just that it can happen sometimes.

The world of pregnancy, labor and delivery can be incredibly gruesome* and forced birthers are going to force millions of women to take massive bodily and emotional risks. Many of us have undertaken these risks willingly, but therein lies the difference. We chose to.

*my love and prayers to the memory of Anarcha Westcott, Betsy and Lucy and the other women who were operated upon without their consent and without anesthesia. If you know who I’m talking about, you know who I’m talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:***For the love of god, don’t read this is if you’re pregnant or have birth trauma***

To be clear I am aware that unfortunate accidents like this have always happened, especially with fetal death, but with doctors fleeing red states and with the lack of legal abortion in so many states now, this is going to start happening more. If my understanding is correct, technically shoulder dystocia can happen to any birthing woman, but it’s more likely if the fetus is too big (which can be a consequence of gestational diabetes, which pregnant women need to be screened and have appropriate treatment for and that’s not going to happen if there isn’t enough prenatal care) or if the pelvic opening is too small (which can be positional or because someone is too young to give birth safely).

https://apnews.com/article/decapitated-baby-delivery-lawsuit-georgia-hospital-doctor-ffcb2e9e7745ffc6f429ad9000a77519

But hey, LiFe, right? What’s a few more women per year maybe getting to hold their deceased newborn that some poor obstetric nurse has just had to suture the head back on? That’s no big deal according to forced birthers.

Horrific. What in the world happened here???

This is a horrific story, but the doctor who allegedly performed this botched delivery was an experienced provider with more than ten years in practice— this wasn’t specifically the work of the forced birthers.

On the other hand, this is a spot on example of why we have such grim maternal mortality statistics. The couple says they asked for a cesarean. Inevitably that would have saved the child’s life— but it could as easily be the mothers life. Women just aren’t seen as having a say in their own care by a large proportion of the medical community.

Anonymous wrote:***For the love of god, don’t read this is if you’re pregnant or have birth trauma***

To be clear I am aware that unfortunate accidents like this have always happened, especially with fetal death, but with doctors fleeing red states and with the lack of legal abortion in so many states now, this is going to start happening more. If my understanding is correct, technically shoulder dystocia can happen to any birthing woman, but it’s more likely if the fetus is too big (which can be a consequence of gestational diabetes, which pregnant women need to be screened and have appropriate treatment for and that’s not going to happen if there isn’t enough prenatal care) or if the pelvic opening is too small (which can be positional or because someone is too young to give birth safely).

https://apnews.com/article/decapitated-baby-delivery-lawsuit-georgia-hospital-doctor-ffcb2e9e7745ffc6f429ad9000a77519

But hey, LiFe, right? What’s a few more women per year maybe getting to hold their deceased newborn that some poor obstetric nurse has just had to suture the head back on? That’s no big deal according to forced birthers.

Horrific. What in the world happened here???

***For the love of god, don’t read this is if you’re pregnant or have birth trauma***

To be clear I am aware that unfortunate accidents like this have always happened, especially with fetal death, but with doctors fleeing red states and with the lack of legal abortion in so many states now, this is going to start happening more. If my understanding is correct, technically shoulder dystocia can happen to any birthing woman, but it’s more likely if the fetus is too big (which can be a consequence of gestational diabetes, which pregnant women need to be screened and have appropriate treatment for and that’s not going to happen if there isn’t enough prenatal care) or if the pelvic opening is too small (which can be positional or because someone is too young to give birth safely).

https://apnews.com/article/decapitated-baby-delivery-lawsuit-georgia-hospital-doctor-ffcb2e9e7745ffc6f429ad9000a77519

But hey, LiFe, right? What’s a few more women per year maybe getting to hold their deceased newborn that some poor obstetric nurse has just had to suture the head back on? That’s no big deal according to forced birthers.

Anonymous wrote:“Clearly we need to explain this better to Montana and Ohio.”

It cracks me up that Republicans think they have a winning issue here. When it’s actually put to a vote, provided the GOP isn’t given too much latitude to interfere with the vote tallying or otherwise cheat, their troglodyte ideas are put down.

“Clearly we need to explain this better to Montana and Ohio.”

“It can’t be that our position is unpopular, we just haven’t been explaining it well enough since 1980.”

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Anonymous wrote:So I’m super excited about all the pro-choice/ enshrining Roe at the state level (even if I am livid that my rights have to be “voted” in when making my own healthcare decisions should absolutely be a constitutional right). But still happy the pendulum is heading in the right direction.

I have a legal question. Since some of these state referendums are related to state constitutions, what happens if the Republicans take the house and senate, get rid of the filibuster and pass a nation-wide abortion ban. Can federal law override a state constitution?

I’m trying to figure out how scared I should remain for women in our country.

No way in HELL GOP takes the House. You are wasting your time even thinking about it But, if you are scared, you can complain here on this board or you can actually do SOMETHING to help Dems remain in power. If you can't volunteer, give $$$. The BESY bang for your buck is to give to the state Dem party in a swing state. Your money will be spent on boots-on-the-ground, long-term work. Giving to a Senate campaign basically means TV ads. Give monthly so parties can plan. It's better to give $10 per month rather than a one time chunk of say $150. Best run state parties are Ohio (as we just saw, they crushed it, and this helps Sherrod Brown) and WI (Ben Wickler is an awesome party chair). Next is PA, AZ and maybe FL.

Respectfully disagree. The best bang for your buck is donating to Aid Access or other providers actually getting medical treatment to the victims of these laws.

Frankly though they are the only electoral option, the behavior of democrats on this issue is why I won’t be donating to them— they are letting women suffer to secure their political power by not taking the steps available to them.

I’d use an eye rolling emoji for your post, but Jeff doesn’t offer one that involves the eyes rolling so hard that they fall out of the little emoji’s eye sockets and scamper away. That’s how much eye roll you get, forced birther troll.

I’m the opposite of a forced birther. I’m the poster on this and several other threads saying the Democrats should be making good on their threats to fine hospitals for their flagrant violations of
Federal Law and stripping their Medicare eligibility. They should be investigating hospitals with the FBI for turning away patients that are returning in ambulances. There should be credible legal peril for putting women’s lives at risk, not just shrugging and pointing at Abbott. The current administration has options and they aren’t using them— and that’s unjustifiable at this point.

You know there are about a dozen women suing to invalidate the Texas law, right?

You understand the lawsuit doesn’t seek to invalidate the law, only clarify it right? The doctors and hospital administrators who failed to give care are facing zero legal peril.

You know that a women was turned away from care in Florida and lost half her blood volume in a hair salon bathroom and that hospital has faced zero federal consequences despite being in direct violation of The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) which is existing federal law?

A woman was turned away from an ER in Wisconsin and left to bleed for more than ten days in, again, direct violation of that same federal law. No legal peril or fine for the hospital.

The Biden administration said they would fine and de-certify hospitals that behave this way— and they haven’t. They can. They haven’t. I am sorry I am not seeing them as the heroes in this story, the heroes are the doctors in New York and California mailing abortion drugs to Texas and Idaho every day and they’re the ones getting my money. I’m sorry you disagree that’s more impactful, but I am not a forced birther or a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:So I’m super excited about all the pro-choice/ enshrining Roe at the state level (even if I am livid that my rights have to be “voted” in when making my own healthcare decisions should absolutely be a constitutional right). But still happy the pendulum is heading in the right direction.

I have a legal question. Since some of these state referendums are related to state constitutions, what happens if the Republicans take the house and senate, get rid of the filibuster and pass a nation-wide abortion ban. Can federal law override a state constitution?

I’m trying to figure out how scared I should remain for women in our country.

No way in HELL GOP takes the House. You are wasting your time even thinking about it But, if you are scared, you can complain here on this board or you can actually do SOMETHING to help Dems remain in power. If you can't volunteer, give $$$. The BESY bang for your buck is to give to the state Dem party in a swing state. Your money will be spent on boots-on-the-ground, long-term work. Giving to a Senate campaign basically means TV ads. Give monthly so parties can plan. It's better to give $10 per month rather than a one time chunk of say $150. Best run state parties are Ohio (as we just saw, they crushed it, and this helps Sherrod Brown) and WI (Ben Wickler is an awesome party chair). Next is PA, AZ and maybe FL.

Respectfully disagree. The best bang for your buck is donating to Aid Access or other providers actually getting medical treatment to the victims of these laws.

Frankly though they are the only electoral option, the behavior of democrats on this issue is why I won’t be donating to them— they are letting women suffer to secure their political power by not taking the steps available to them.

I’d use an eye rolling emoji for your post, but Jeff doesn’t offer one that involves the eyes rolling so hard that they fall out of the little emoji’s eye sockets and scamper away. That’s how much eye roll you get, forced birther troll.

I’m the opposite of a forced birther. I’m the poster on this and several other threads saying the Democrats should be making good on their threats to fine hospitals for their flagrant violations of
Federal Law and stripping their Medicare eligibility. They should be investigating hospitals with the FBI for turning away patients that are returning in ambulances. There should be credible legal peril for putting women’s lives at risk, not just shrugging and pointing at Abbott. The current administration has options and they aren’t using them— and that’s unjustifiable at this point.

You know there are about a dozen women suing to invalidate the Texas law, right?

Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to contribute, just full of rage at old men who think they get a godd*mn say. As a suburban mom, there is nothing that makes me madder.

As the mother of a college aged daughter, I cannot begin to express the rage I feel. That my daughter, my precious perfect daughter is seen by some of her fellow Americans as less than her brother in terms of bodily autonomy is infuriating. All of you that think you have any control over her body - f*** off. My money and time goes to this issue now. And my sometimes republican voting husband knows how I (and his beloved daughter and his beloved son) feel. He is of course free to vote however he wants in the voting booth. But he now knows, it’s a kick in the teeth to those he loves.

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Anonymous wrote:So I’m super excited about all the pro-choice/ enshrining Roe at the state level (even if I am livid that my rights have to be “voted” in when making my own healthcare decisions should absolutely be a constitutional right). But still happy the pendulum is heading in the right direction.

I have a legal question. Since some of these state referendums are related to state constitutions, what happens if the Republicans take the house and senate, get rid of the filibuster and pass a nation-wide abortion ban. Can federal law override a state constitution?

I’m trying to figure out how scared I should remain for women in our country.

No way in HELL GOP takes the House. You are wasting your time even thinking about it But, if you are scared, you can complain here on this board or you can actually do SOMETHING to help Dems remain in power. If you can't volunteer, give $$$. The BESY bang for your buck is to give to the state Dem party in a swing state. Your money will be spent on boots-on-the-ground, long-term work. Giving to a Senate campaign basically means TV ads. Give monthly so parties can plan. It's better to give $10 per month rather than a one time chunk of say $150. Best run state parties are Ohio (as we just saw, they crushed it, and this helps Sherrod Brown) and WI (Ben Wickler is an awesome party chair). Next is PA, AZ and maybe FL.

Respectfully disagree. The best bang for your buck is donating to Aid Access or other providers actually getting medical treatment to the victims of these laws.

Frankly though they are the only electoral option, the behavior of democrats on this issue is why I won’t be donating to them— they are letting women suffer to secure their political power by not taking the steps available to them.

I’d use an eye rolling emoji for your post, but Jeff doesn’t offer one that involves the eyes rolling so hard that they fall out of the little emoji’s eye sockets and scamper away. That’s how much eye roll you get, forced birther troll.

I’m the opposite of a forced birther. I’m the poster on this and several other threads saying the Democrats should be making good on their threats to fine hospitals for their flagrant violations of
Federal Law and stripping their Medicare eligibility. They should be investigating hospitals with the FBI for turning away patients that are returning in ambulances. There should be credible legal peril for putting women’s lives at risk, not just shrugging and pointing at Abbott. The current administration has options and they aren’t using them— and that’s unjustifiable at this point.