Anonymous
08/10/2023 12:00
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to contribute, just full of rage at old men who think they get a godd*mn say. As a suburban mom, there is nothing that makes me madder.
+1. They do not get a say. This is a personal decision.
+3
Especially since the moralizing scandalized old scolds are always ALWAYS the biggest beasts when it comes to scolding women for having had children they couldn’t afford or deciding to have a child with special needs (“we only had reading, ‘riting and ‘rithmatic and no one should need or get anything more!”) or making other decisions that they disagree with. They’re nowhere to found when the ish hits the fan and women need help.
Anonymous
08/10/2023 09:45
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to contribute, just full of rage at old men who think they get a godd*mn say. As a suburban mom, there is nothing that makes me madder.
+1. They do not get a say. This is a personal decision.
Anonymous
08/10/2023 07:53
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to contribute, just full of rage at old men who think they get a godd*mn say. As a suburban mom, there is nothing that makes me madder.
+1
Anonymous
08/09/2023 23:21
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So I’m super excited about all the pro-choice/ enshrining Roe at the state level (even if I am livid that my rights have to be “voted” in when making my own healthcare decisions should absolutely be a constitutional right). But still happy the pendulum is heading in the right direction.
I have a legal question. Since some of these state referendums are related to state constitutions, what happens if the Republicans take the house and senate, get rid of the filibuster and pass a nation-wide abortion ban. Can federal law override a state constitution?
I’m trying to figure out how scared I should remain for women in our country.
No way in HELL GOP takes the House. You are wasting your time even thinking about it But, if you are scared, you can complain here on this board or you can actually do SOMETHING to help Dems remain in power. If you can't volunteer, give $$$. The BESY bang for your buck is to give to the state Dem party in a swing state. Your money will be spent on boots-on-the-ground, long-term work. Giving to a Senate campaign basically means TV ads. Give monthly so parties can plan. It's better to give $10 per month rather than a one time chunk of say $150. Best run state parties are Ohio (as we just saw, they crushed it, and this helps Sherrod Brown) and WI (Ben Wickler is an awesome party chair). Next is PA, AZ and maybe FL.
Respectfully disagree. The best bang for your buck is donating to Aid Access or other providers actually getting medical treatment to the victims of these laws.
Frankly though they are the only electoral option, the behavior of democrats on this issue is why I won’t be donating to them— they are letting women suffer to secure their political power by not taking the steps available to them.
I’d use an eye rolling emoji for your post, but Jeff doesn’t offer one that involves the eyes rolling so hard that they fall out of the little emoji’s eye sockets and scamper away. That’s how much eye roll you get, forced birther troll.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 22:41
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade struck down
I have nothing to contribute, just full of rage at old men who think they get a godd*mn say. As a suburban mom, there is nothing that makes me madder.
Anonymous
Anonymous
08/09/2023 15:24
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Backtracking…
If there is a federal ban, it would absolutely make state laws invalid.
If there is a federal ban, it’s illegal everywhere.
And yes they are going there. The only consistent ideology held by republicans is winning by any means.
Genuine question. I am ignorant. If marijuana is illegal at the federal level, how can it be sold in states that are legal? Why wouldn’t abortion be the same?
It is still illegal in all states, but the feds don’t have the enforcement resources to do after everyone so the current enforcement policy is leave state-legal dispensaries alone. There have been prosecutions against state legal dispensaries though. Feds could change their enforcement priorities whenever they want to.
Should have added, feds have a bunch of levers to shut down medical abortions. Feds can threaten pharma companies that make abortion pills. You can’t grow an abortion pill in your yard like marijuana. They can also pull doctors DEA licenses. There would still be abortions in back alleys that go unprosecuted, but that’s a bad situation.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 15:19
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Backtracking…
If there is a federal ban, it would absolutely make state laws invalid.
If there is a federal ban, it’s illegal everywhere.
And yes they are going there. The only consistent ideology held by republicans is winning by any means.
Genuine question. I am ignorant. If marijuana is illegal at the federal level, how can it be sold in states that are legal? Why wouldn’t abortion be the same?
It is still illegal in all states, but the feds don’t have the enforcement resources to do after everyone so the current enforcement policy is leave state-legal dispensaries alone. There have been prosecutions against state legal dispensaries though. Feds could change their enforcement priorities whenever they want to.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 15:18
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Should have added. The feds are shrugging re: marijuana
Anonymous
08/09/2023 15:15
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Backtracking…
If there is a federal ban, it would absolutely make state laws invalid.
If there is a federal ban, it’s illegal everywhere.
And yes they are going there. The only consistent ideology held by republicans is winning by any means.
Genuine question. I am ignorant. If marijuana is illegal at the federal level, how can it be sold in states that are legal? Why wouldn’t abortion be the same?
Will to prosecute. All states could independently make abortion illegal, but if they are disinclined to bring charges, fine and punish doctors, then who cares?
All a state has to do is genuinely threaten to take the license of one OBGYN, let alone throw them in prison.
If the feds being a ban AND enforce - that’s it. No more safe reproductive care.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 15:10
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:Backtracking…
If there is a federal ban, it would absolutely make state laws invalid.
If there is a federal ban, it’s illegal everywhere.
And yes they are going there. The only consistent ideology held by republicans is winning by any means.
Genuine question. I am ignorant. If marijuana is illegal at the federal level, how can it be sold in states that are legal? Why wouldn’t abortion be the same?
Anonymous
08/09/2023 14:19
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Backtracking…
If there is a federal ban, it would absolutely make state laws invalid.
If there is a federal ban, it’s illegal everywhere.
And yes they are going there. The only consistent ideology held by republicans is winning by any means.
If there is a federal ban, it would absolutely make state laws invalid.
If there is a federal ban, it’s illegal everywhere.
And yes they are going there. The only consistent ideology held by republicans is winning by any means.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 14:02
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So I’m super excited about all the pro-choice/ enshrining Roe at the state level (even if I am livid that my rights have to be “voted” in when making my own healthcare decisions should absolutely be a constitutional right). But still happy the pendulum is heading in the right direction.
I have a legal question. Since some of these state referendums are related to state constitutions, what happens if the Republicans take the house and senate, get rid of the filibuster and pass a nation-wide abortion ban. Can federal law override a state constitution?
I’m trying to figure out how scared I should remain for women in our country.
No way in HELL GOP takes the House. You are wasting your time even thinking about it But, if you are scared, you can complain here on this board or you can actually do SOMETHING to help Dems remain in power. If you can't volunteer, give $$$. The BESY bang for your buck is to give to the state Dem party in a swing state. Your money will be spent on boots-on-the-ground, long-term work. Giving to a Senate campaign basically means TV ads. Give monthly so parties can plan. It's better to give $10 per month rather than a one time chunk of say $150. Best run state parties are Ohio (as we just saw, they crushed it, and this helps Sherrod Brown) and WI (Ben Wickler is an awesome party chair). Next is PA, AZ and maybe FL.
Respectfully disagree. The best bang for your buck is donating to Aid Access or other providers actually getting medical treatment to the victims of these laws.
Frankly though they are the only electoral option, the behavior of democrats on this issue is why I won’t be donating to them— they are letting women suffer to secure their political power by not taking the steps available to them.
Anonymous
08/09/2023 13:54
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Never say never. We have to be vigilant!
How many of us thought Trump would never be elected?
How many of us thought Trump would never be elected?
Anonymous
08/09/2023 13:43
Subject: Roe v Wade struck down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So I’m super excited about all the pro-choice/ enshrining Roe at the state level (even if I am livid that my rights have to be “voted” in when making my own healthcare decisions should absolutely be a constitutional right). But still happy the pendulum is heading in the right direction.
I have a legal question. Since some of these state referendums are related to state constitutions, what happens if the Republicans take the house and senate, get rid of the filibuster and pass a nation-wide abortion ban. Can federal law override a state constitution?
I’m trying to figure out how scared I should remain for women in our country.
No way in HELL GOP takes the House. You are wasting your time even thinking about it But, if you are scared, you can complain here on this board or you can actually do SOMETHING to help Dems remain in power. If you can't volunteer, give $$$. The BESY bang for your buck is to give to the state Dem party in a swing state. Your money will be spent on boots-on-the-ground, long-term work. Giving to a Senate campaign basically means TV ads. Give monthly so parties can plan. It's better to give $10 per month rather than a one time chunk of say $150. Best run state parties are Ohio (as we just saw, they crushed it, and this helps Sherrod Brown) and WI (Ben Wickler is an awesome party chair). Next is PA, AZ and maybe FL.
Well, of course, I do something. I donate to political campaigns and pro-choice non-profits. I phonebank and write postcards in swing states, and I write my representatives (which is likely useless but makes me feel better). And I talk about these issues to by conservative family hoping that some young family member might realize you don’t have to vote how your parents and pastor tells you, too.
But I think it’s naive to not be worried about a potential GOP win in the House and Senate (they already have the house and it’s awful) and to make sure we are supporting ways to mitigate their potential risk of passing a nationwide abortion ban.