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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Pavilion Pediatrics. Catonsville Primary Care. Catonsville Pediatrics. JHCP (at least I believe so. Multiple locations.) These are off the top of my head from where my kids go and where my friends kids go. All Baltimore County.

Any practice that requires a non-FDA approved vaccine is not a good practice.

Wrong. Very sought after specialist require this. Fact.

Someone should sue them out of existence. Their arrogance is demanding people take a vaccine approved for only emergency use in order to see them. They took an oath of ‘do no harm’ and are violating that.

They are allowed to have integrity and practice what they preach.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Pavilion Pediatrics. Catonsville Primary Care. Catonsville Pediatrics. JHCP (at least I believe so. Multiple locations.) These are off the top of my head from where my kids go and where my friends kids go. All Baltimore County.

Any practice that requires a non-FDA approved vaccine is not a good practice.

Wrong. Very sought after specialist require this. Fact.

Someone should sue them out of existence. Their arrogance is demanding people take a vaccine approved for only emergency use in order to see them. They took an oath of ‘do no harm’ and are violating that.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay sure is correct. This has already been covered. Certain practices will only see vaccinated patients.

Right now. This will soon stop as soon as Pfizer’s therapeutic hits the market because that stops the pandemic in its tracks.

The policy is being used as a carrot/stick and in a lot of cases, the practices are getting pressure from medical association and threats to their licensing.

NP. I would really like to see a site for that. Honest request! I want to keep tabs on how this evolves.

I think people are partially talking past each other because we may well have different expectations of how this plays out. As it is now -- our current situation, 5/5/2021 -- this consideration isn't going to make much difference to people overall. Some medical practices or other places might be screening, but most are not. It's not going to have much of an effect.

One group of people feels like this is more or less going to be the status quo for the US: still people getting sick and dying, but not overwhelming facilities, and not that many unexpected people. The deaths are mostly in people that this group already considers tolerable to lose, maybe because this group thinks societal impact of preventing it would be too great (they cite economic effects, small business closures, children's mental health, etc.). Maybe they just don't care about the groups who are dying. Maybe they don't know or believe the extend of "long COVID" concerns. Maybe a mix. Regardless, where we are is okay, and they expect it not to change much.

It's not that hard to understand why this group is going to find discussing segregating people out based on vaccination status to be overkill. The status quo is fine.

A second group expects that we will probably see this evolve -- both because places like India are not isolated from the rest of us, and they are concerned about the new variants. 65% of the deaths in India are now people under 45. Physicians are saying that the number of seriously ill and dying patients under 15 years old is rising, and they did not see that before. Or some in this second group are more aware of the extent of (and believe in) "long COVID" cases in young and middle age people. Or they are aware that the number of child deaths in the US will soon surpass the number of child deaths from H1N1, and that there have been nearly 16,000 COVID hospitalizations in the US already.

That second group does NOT think the status quo is likely to stay the same -- or at least, there is good reason to think that we are not going to be able to stay in this somewhat liminal status quo state. Either more parts of the world will torch up (despite vaccines) because of evolving virus, or whatever.

It's not hard to see why this group expects vaccination status to become quite important.

I think we don't understand each other. I don't think that is going to change very soon.

I posted somewhere on DCUM that there have been 297 child deaths so far in the US, with a significant portion being under 9 years old. (It's actually 303.) Someone responded rather angrily that there was no way this was true, they wanted a source because there would be "outrage" and it would be all over the news. It is true, and it isn't hitting many people's consciousness, for whatever reason.

I think we are coming from very different understandings of where we are and where we are likely to be going. I don't know how to fix that.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Are you joking? Most pediatricians have this policy. Like, call any of them.

You’re talking about pediatric vaccines that have been around for years, correct? That’s an entirely different conversation than what we are speaking about on this thread .... which is the yet to be FDA authorized vaccine .... your pediatrician that requires it’s young patients to be vaccinated is different entirely. Unless they are currently asking the parents if they are covid 19 vaccinated, this is a pointless comment in this moment.

Not correct. Pediatricians will require it when it is approved. I know if at least one specialist that already requires covid vax for any patient 16 and up. And is not amused..at all...about patients trying to cheat. Will not tolerate it and will not see these patients.

And when there are therapeutics available, those doctors will either find themselves in court or will lose patients. Because at that point, Covid becomes no more dangerous than flu.

Lol. Don't waste your time suing a doc to force them to examine you. Just find a doc that will see you without requiring the vaccine you object to. Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Pavilion Pediatrics. Catonsville Primary Care. Catonsville Pediatrics. JHCP (at least I believe so. Multiple locations.) These are off the top of my head from where my kids go and where my friends kids go. All Baltimore County.

Any practice that requires a non-FDA approved vaccine is not a good practice.

Wrong. Very sought after specialist require this. Fact.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Are you joking? Most pediatricians have this policy. Like, call any of them.

You’re talking about pediatric vaccines that have been around for years, correct? That’s an entirely different conversation than what we are speaking about on this thread .... which is the yet to be FDA authorized vaccine .... your pediatrician that requires it’s young patients to be vaccinated is different entirely. Unless they are currently asking the parents if they are covid 19 vaccinated, this is a pointless comment in this moment.

Not correct. Pediatricians will require it when it is approved. I know if at least one specialist that already requires covid vax for any patient 16 and up. And is not amused..at all...about patients trying to cheat. Will not tolerate it and will not see these patients.

And when there are therapeutics available, those doctors will either find themselves in court or will lose patients. Because at that point, Covid becomes no more dangerous than flu.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Pavilion Pediatrics. Catonsville Primary Care. Catonsville Pediatrics. JHCP (at least I believe so. Multiple locations.) These are off the top of my head from where my kids go and where my friends kids go. All Baltimore County.

Any practice that requires a non-FDA approved vaccine is not a good practice.

Nope. These medical docs have training, knowledge and strong beliefs about modern medicine including vaccine science and they put their money where there mouth is.

Anonymous wrote:Okay sure is correct. This has already been covered. Certain practices will only see vaccinated patients.

Right now. This will soon stop as soon as Pfizer’s therapeutic hits the market because that stops the pandemic in its tracks.

The policy is being used as a carrot/stick and in a lot of cases, the practices are getting pressure from medical association and threats to their licensing.

I care a lot, but I have friends and family gone and permanently scarred from covid.

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Anonymous wrote:I fail to understand why all the anti-vaxxers in this thread are so upset that private businesses may not allow them on premises. It's literally the free market at work.

Are they upset? They seem to be fine with it.

Thing is, you're full of imagination of what will "happen". No business will thrive if they turn away ~40% of potential patrons. You can huff and puff and use threats, but it simply won't influence what will happen. None of us actually knows. I can assure you I sure as sh1t will not turn away customers, nor will I refuse their money.

You are misunderstanding. It is likely you can not make both groups happy nor necessarily retain both groups as customers. If establishment A demands patrons be vaccinated and establishment B does not care....all the vaccinated customers may choose to patronize establishment A. A gets the 60 percent, B gets the 40 percent. make your choice.

I think you're greatly overestimating how many people care about this. I'm fully vaccinated, but I couldn't care less whether my fellow patrons at a restaurant or sporting event have got their shots. And, I don't want to deal with the hassle of having to prove that I'm vaccinated. So, given the choice between an establishment that requires proof of vaccination, and one that doesn't, I'd pick the latter.

Honestly, if you're vaccinated, who cares whether someone near you hasn't gotten their vaccine?

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Are you joking? Most pediatricians have this policy. Like, call any of them.

You’re talking about pediatric vaccines that have been around for years, correct? That’s an entirely different conversation than what we are speaking about on this thread .... which is the yet to be FDA authorized vaccine .... your pediatrician that requires it’s young patients to be vaccinated is different entirely. Unless they are currently asking the parents if they are covid 19 vaccinated, this is a pointless comment in this moment.

Not correct. Pediatricians will require it when it is approved. I know if at least one specialist that already requires covid vax for any patient 16 and up. And is not amused..at all...about patients trying to cheat. Will not tolerate it and will not see these patients.

Didn’t realize you have a crystal ball over there, my mistake.

This is happening now. When you have lost as many patients to covid as this doc has, then you can mouth off. Until then you don't have the standing.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Are you joking? Most pediatricians have this policy. Like, call any of them.

You’re talking about pediatric vaccines that have been around for years, correct? That’s an entirely different conversation than what we are speaking about on this thread .... which is the yet to be FDA authorized vaccine .... your pediatrician that requires it’s young patients to be vaccinated is different entirely. Unless they are currently asking the parents if they are covid 19 vaccinated, this is a pointless comment in this moment.

Not correct. Pediatricians will require it when it is approved. I know if at least one specialist that already requires covid vax for any patient 16 and up. And is not amused..at all...about patients trying to cheat. Will not tolerate it and will not see these patients.

Didn’t realize you have a crystal ball over there, my mistake.

NP. Well some pediatricians don’t see patients who don’t vaccinate in general and those are the physicians I like to use so I could see it happening here too possibly.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Are you joking? Most pediatricians have this policy. Like, call any of them.

You’re talking about pediatric vaccines that have been around for years, correct? That’s an entirely different conversation than what we are speaking about on this thread .... which is the yet to be FDA authorized vaccine .... your pediatrician that requires it’s young patients to be vaccinated is different entirely. Unless they are currently asking the parents if they are covid 19 vaccinated, this is a pointless comment in this moment.

Not correct. Pediatricians will require it when it is approved. I know if at least one specialist that already requires covid vax for any patient 16 and up. And is not amused..at all...about patients trying to cheat. Will not tolerate it and will not see these patients.

Didn’t realize you have a crystal ball over there, my mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:This has been discussed already. Some medical practices will only see vaccinated patients. This is not unusual or surprising or unbelievable.

Actually it is. Pls list out which practices have this policy.

Are you joking? Most pediatricians have this policy. Like, call any of them.

You’re talking about pediatric vaccines that have been around for years, correct? That’s an entirely different conversation than what we are speaking about on this thread .... which is the yet to be FDA authorized vaccine .... your pediatrician that requires it’s young patients to be vaccinated is different entirely. Unless they are currently asking the parents if they are covid 19 vaccinated, this is a pointless comment in this moment.

Not correct. Pediatricians will require it when it is approved. I know if at least one specialist that already requires covid vax for any patient 16 and up. And is not amused..at all...about patients trying to cheat. Will not tolerate it and will not see these patients.