Anonymous
01/22/2021 06:31
Subject: Re:If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
PP, we get that physical abuse, starvation, etc. are horrible problems. They are! (And note that society does put a lot of effort — laws, social services, etc. — into combatting ACEs.)
But does that mean anything less acute then physical abuse should just be tolerated?! That DL on a huge scale is fine because some things are worse?
I’ll let the Washington Post explain it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/student-mental-health-pandemic/2021/01/21/3d377bea-3f30-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html
But does that mean anything less acute then physical abuse should just be tolerated?! That DL on a huge scale is fine because some things are worse?
I’ll let the Washington Post explain it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/student-mental-health-pandemic/2021/01/21/3d377bea-3f30-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html
Anonymous
01/21/2021 15:42
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can tell you that I often did not eat, or did not have healthy or okay meals.
I can tell you that at school, I received most of my social interaction. I received access to therapy. I received access to supportive adults and full meals.
Is that typical? No. Did I know at least a dozen other kids like me? Yes.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: SCHOOL IS MORE THAN FRIENDS AND SITTING IN A CLASSROOM.
You are being intentionally obtuse, or you lack the ability to imagine what children might be experiencing. Look up complex trauma.
I'm sorry for what you went through, and you're 100% correct. Just stop responding to the WTU trolls who are trying to convince everyone that DL is just fine for kids when we all know it's not.
NO ONE is saying DL is good. DL is the best option right now.
BTW abused in an SES family - akin to what you saw with Claudia Conway the last few days. But basic needs met - do I have PTSD from it; issues with it; yes - but nothing that prevents me from thriving post therapy.
Not every child is the same. The difficulty of DL varies for different children. The impact of a neglectful childhood varies for different children.
The poster above may be correct that DL doesn’t meet her specific definition of ACE. But she’s an idiot if she doesn’t understand that life can be extremely challenging — dare I say “traumatic”?! — at times in ways that don’t follow neat categories.
White people always want to feel like they are suffering, its ridiculous. Your children are not going through trauma specifically because of DL. I have no idea why the hell she shared her specific story that has nothing to do with a generalization I made about parents and their kids on this board.
I assume you are feeding, clothing, spending time, bathing, etc. your kids.
DL doesn't cause trauma for your kids, stop being dramatic and wanting to feel like your pain is soooo awful. Your not homeless because of covid. Your kids are not being hurt because they aren't in school. Not eating well because they aren't in school. Not going to their only happy place,
Sorry you want to call me an ahole or a troll for saying the truth. A difficult experience doesn't automatically make it trauma. It's honestly creepy how badly some of you want your kids to be 'traumatized' by DL.
Anonymous
01/21/2021 15:35
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I ask what real trauma high SES kids are going through? (due to the pandemic, besides family dying) I work at a low SES school and even before the pandemic of course many of my students had trauma.
I'm in no way saying more wealthy children cannot suffer, I used to work in CA at a school nestled in a neighborhood where the homes started at 1M, and a few kids were suicidal.
However not seeing your friends in person, dealing with online classes won't raise their ACE (adverse childhood experiences).
THAT is trauma, this is sad and yes, may lead to depressions and some anxiety but it is not trauma.
I feel parents are throwing out this word carelessly. I'm not saying DL is a goldmine, I also really hate it. But I also feel DCPS missed the in person boat. Why now when the rates are climbing? Please stop with the WTU, at the end of the day I agree my union was obstructionist but whose the real boss? We could have went back for term 1 and part of 2.
I just want to go back to a few days ago and point out the absurdity of what this person is claiming. Apparently going through a pandemic is not an adverse childhood experience. It's RIDICULOUS to reduce the potential traumatic affects of lack of in-person schooling to simply "not seeing friends" or "having online classes."
And I can tell you that as a child of high SES parents, there is trauma to be had. My parents were extremely neglectful and almost never interacted with me. Had I been a child in the pandemic with the parents I had then, I would have been mostly feral--days without talking to or having a meal with anyone. There are plenty of parents like this, although they'd not be interested in coming on this board.
No it's not an ACE still. I'm sorry your parents didn't spend enough time with you and that has done damage, however it's not trauma. You were not beaten, you didn't not get food, you didn't see violence in the home, get raped.
And really no meals with anyone, how did you eat?
The point is most children in high SES families are eating, being clothed, bathed, and talked to. I'll say it again: IT IS NOT TRAUMA NOT TO SEE YOUR FRIENDS IN PERSON OR HAVE CLASS ONLINE.
The pp also didn't say that high SES kids can't have trauma, they said due to schools being closed. Big difference.
Neglect is trauma, dumba**
I feel bad for you, no resilience. You think your parents providing dinner with you but not always eating with you is trauma. Cry me a river with your BS childhood sob stories and save it for your therapist who is paid to hear that crap.
Again, not seeing your friends in person and doing school online specifically isn't trauma. Sorry not sorry.
Anonymous
01/21/2021 14:28
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can tell you that I often did not eat, or did not have healthy or okay meals.
I can tell you that at school, I received most of my social interaction. I received access to therapy. I received access to supportive adults and full meals.
Is that typical? No. Did I know at least a dozen other kids like me? Yes.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: SCHOOL IS MORE THAN FRIENDS AND SITTING IN A CLASSROOM.
You are being intentionally obtuse, or you lack the ability to imagine what children might be experiencing. Look up complex trauma.
I'm sorry for what you went through, and you're 100% correct. Just stop responding to the WTU trolls who are trying to convince everyone that DL is just fine for kids when we all know it's not.
NO ONE is saying DL is good. DL is the best option right now.
BTW abused in an SES family - akin to what you saw with Claudia Conway the last few days. But basic needs met - do I have PTSD from it; issues with it; yes - but nothing that prevents me from thriving post therapy.
Not every child is the same. The difficulty of DL varies for different children. The impact of a neglectful childhood varies for different children.
The poster above may be correct that DL doesn’t meet her specific definition of ACE. But she’s an idiot if she doesn’t understand that life can be extremely challenging — dare I say “traumatic”?! — at times in ways that don’t follow neat categories.
Anonymous
01/21/2021 14:06
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can tell you that I often did not eat, or did not have healthy or okay meals.
I can tell you that at school, I received most of my social interaction. I received access to therapy. I received access to supportive adults and full meals.
Is that typical? No. Did I know at least a dozen other kids like me? Yes.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: SCHOOL IS MORE THAN FRIENDS AND SITTING IN A CLASSROOM.
You are being intentionally obtuse, or you lack the ability to imagine what children might be experiencing. Look up complex trauma.
I'm sorry for what you went through, and you're 100% correct. Just stop responding to the WTU trolls who are trying to convince everyone that DL is just fine for kids when we all know it's not.
NO ONE is saying DL is good. DL is the best option right now.
BTW abused in an SES family - akin to what you saw with Claudia Conway the last few days. But basic needs met - do I have PTSD from it; issues with it; yes - but nothing that prevents me from thriving post therapy.
Anonymous
01/21/2021 13:32
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:I can tell you that I often did not eat, or did not have healthy or okay meals.
I can tell you that at school, I received most of my social interaction. I received access to therapy. I received access to supportive adults and full meals.
Is that typical? No. Did I know at least a dozen other kids like me? Yes.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: SCHOOL IS MORE THAN FRIENDS AND SITTING IN A CLASSROOM.
You are being intentionally obtuse, or you lack the ability to imagine what children might be experiencing. Look up complex trauma.
I'm sorry for what you went through, and you're 100% correct. Just stop responding to the WTU trolls who are trying to convince everyone that DL is just fine for kids when we all know it's not.
Anonymous
01/21/2021 13:22
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I ask what real trauma high SES kids are going through? (due to the pandemic, besides family dying) I work at a low SES school and even before the pandemic of course many of my students had trauma.
I'm in no way saying more wealthy children cannot suffer, I used to work in CA at a school nestled in a neighborhood where the homes started at 1M, and a few kids were suicidal.
However not seeing your friends in person, dealing with online classes won't raise their ACE (adverse childhood experiences).
THAT is trauma, this is sad and yes, may lead to depressions and some anxiety but it is not trauma.
I feel parents are throwing out this word carelessly. I'm not saying DL is a goldmine, I also really hate it. But I also feel DCPS missed the in person boat. Why now when the rates are climbing? Please stop with the WTU, at the end of the day I agree my union was obstructionist but whose the real boss? We could have went back for term 1 and part of 2.
I just want to go back to a few days ago and point out the absurdity of what this person is claiming. Apparently going through a pandemic is not an adverse childhood experience. It's RIDICULOUS to reduce the potential traumatic affects of lack of in-person schooling to simply "not seeing friends" or "having online classes."
And I can tell you that as a child of high SES parents, there is trauma to be had. My parents were extremely neglectful and almost never interacted with me. Had I been a child in the pandemic with the parents I had then, I would have been mostly feral--days without talking to or having a meal with anyone. There are plenty of parents like this, although they'd not be interested in coming on this board.
No it's not an ACE still. I'm sorry your parents didn't spend enough time with you and that has done damage, however it's not trauma. You were not beaten, you didn't not get food, you didn't see violence in the home, get raped.
And really no meals with anyone, how did you eat?
The point is most children in high SES families are eating, being clothed, bathed, and talked to. I'll say it again: IT IS NOT TRAUMA NOT TO SEE YOUR FRIENDS IN PERSON OR HAVE CLASS ONLINE.
The pp also didn't say that high SES kids can't have trauma, they said due to schools being closed. Big difference.
Neglect is trauma, dumba**
seriously. if you can't imagine how a child might eat unless it's sitting at a dinner table surrounded by family, i don't know what you're doing in this conversation
Anonymous
01/21/2021 13:20
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
I can tell you that I often did not eat, or did not have healthy or okay meals.
I can tell you that at school, I received most of my social interaction. I received access to therapy. I received access to supportive adults and full meals.
Is that typical? No. Did I know at least a dozen other kids like me? Yes.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: SCHOOL IS MORE THAN FRIENDS AND SITTING IN A CLASSROOM.
You are being intentionally obtuse, or you lack the ability to imagine what children might be experiencing. Look up complex trauma.
I can tell you that at school, I received most of my social interaction. I received access to therapy. I received access to supportive adults and full meals.
Is that typical? No. Did I know at least a dozen other kids like me? Yes.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: SCHOOL IS MORE THAN FRIENDS AND SITTING IN A CLASSROOM.
You are being intentionally obtuse, or you lack the ability to imagine what children might be experiencing. Look up complex trauma.
Anonymous
01/21/2021 13:16
Subject: Re:If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:School Wasn’t So Great Before COVID, Either
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/school-wasnt-so-great-before-covid-either/616923/
Oh, this old article. Interesting, but not when it’s used to somehow insinuate that there is anything positive about the current closure or that kids didn’t lose that much.
Anonymous
01/21/2021 13:15
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I ask what real trauma high SES kids are going through? (due to the pandemic, besides family dying) I work at a low SES school and even before the pandemic of course many of my students had trauma.
I'm in no way saying more wealthy children cannot suffer, I used to work in CA at a school nestled in a neighborhood where the homes started at 1M, and a few kids were suicidal.
However not seeing your friends in person, dealing with online classes won't raise their ACE (adverse childhood experiences).
THAT is trauma, this is sad and yes, may lead to depressions and some anxiety but it is not trauma.
I feel parents are throwing out this word carelessly. I'm not saying DL is a goldmine, I also really hate it. But I also feel DCPS missed the in person boat. Why now when the rates are climbing? Please stop with the WTU, at the end of the day I agree my union was obstructionist but whose the real boss? We could have went back for term 1 and part of 2.
I just want to go back to a few days ago and point out the absurdity of what this person is claiming. Apparently going through a pandemic is not an adverse childhood experience. It's RIDICULOUS to reduce the potential traumatic affects of lack of in-person schooling to simply "not seeing friends" or "having online classes."
And I can tell you that as a child of high SES parents, there is trauma to be had. My parents were extremely neglectful and almost never interacted with me. Had I been a child in the pandemic with the parents I had then, I would have been mostly feral--days without talking to or having a meal with anyone. There are plenty of parents like this, although they'd not be interested in coming on this board.
No it's not an ACE still. I'm sorry your parents didn't spend enough time with you and that has done damage, however it's not trauma. You were not beaten, you didn't not get food, you didn't see violence in the home, get raped.
And really no meals with anyone, how did you eat?
The point is most children in high SES families are eating, being clothed, bathed, and talked to. I'll say it again: IT IS NOT TRAUMA NOT TO SEE YOUR FRIENDS IN PERSON OR HAVE CLASS ONLINE.
The pp also didn't say that high SES kids can't have trauma, they said due to schools being closed. Big difference.
Neglect is trauma, dumba**
Anonymous
01/21/2021 13:08
Subject: If DMV schools don't open in the fall, are you moving?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can I ask what real trauma high SES kids are going through? (due to the pandemic, besides family dying) I work at a low SES school and even before the pandemic of course many of my students had trauma.
I'm in no way saying more wealthy children cannot suffer, I used to work in CA at a school nestled in a neighborhood where the homes started at 1M, and a few kids were suicidal.
However not seeing your friends in person, dealing with online classes won't raise their ACE (adverse childhood experiences).
THAT is trauma, this is sad and yes, may lead to depressions and some anxiety but it is not trauma.
I feel parents are throwing out this word carelessly. I'm not saying DL is a goldmine, I also really hate it. But I also feel DCPS missed the in person boat. Why now when the rates are climbing? Please stop with the WTU, at the end of the day I agree my union was obstructionist but whose the real boss? We could have went back for term 1 and part of 2.
I just want to go back to a few days ago and point out the absurdity of what this person is claiming. Apparently going through a pandemic is not an adverse childhood experience. It's RIDICULOUS to reduce the potential traumatic affects of lack of in-person schooling to simply "not seeing friends" or "having online classes."
And I can tell you that as a child of high SES parents, there is trauma to be had. My parents were extremely neglectful and almost never interacted with me. Had I been a child in the pandemic with the parents I had then, I would have been mostly feral--days without talking to or having a meal with anyone. There are plenty of parents like this, although they'd not be interested in coming on this board.
No it's not an ACE still. I'm sorry your parents didn't spend enough time with you and that has done damage, however it's not trauma. You were not beaten, you didn't not get food, you didn't see violence in the home, get raped.
And really no meals with anyone, how did you eat?
The point is most children in high SES families are eating, being clothed, bathed, and talked to. I'll say it again: IT IS NOT TRAUMA NOT TO SEE YOUR FRIENDS IN PERSON OR HAVE CLASS ONLINE.
The pp also didn't say that high SES kids can't have trauma, they said due to schools being closed. Big difference.