Anonymous
10/13/2020 13:42
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You can jump up and down. Scream and shout. Post away.
Nothing is going to change with our schools they will be virtual until Trump is gone.
While Trump doesn't make those decisions his complete lack of being human creates a chaos like no other.
Trump wins in November no more schools as we know it. If you think this is not going to get worse all over the country you are not paying attention.
That doesn’t even make any sense.
No chance Trump wins in November anyway, but Trump WANTS to see schools re-open.
I very much hope that Trump loses, for all the obvious reasons, but one added reason now is that I believe that the fact that he declared he wanted schools to open is a major reason they are still closed. Liberals dug in their heels as a result and have to insist even more stridently that it's too dangerous to open up.
Yes I totally agree with this. If he had just stayed out of it I think we’d be in a better place right now. I think it would have made a difference if the MD governor was Dem too- there is so much bad blood between Elrich and Hogan that it makes anything Elrich says in defiance come across as political.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 12:55
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
FCPS has published a 200-page plan for phased reopening:
https://www.fcps.org/update/reopening (click on "Download FCPS' Final Plan for Reopening and Advancing Forward, July, 2020 (Revised October 5, 2020)")
down to the level of the procedures on the playground. I'm fine if FCPS says the numbers mean they are not ready to move to the next phase, but at least they've published a detailed plan, and are acting on it.
That's not what happened, though. It wasn't the numbers. It was that the board decided that the plan was infeasible. And, not surprisingly, the logistical problems they were concerned about are also logistical problems MCPS is concerned about.
Looks like it was poor leadership. The BOE voted it down, despite:
""We spent four months perfecting the plan...the health metrics are good...and it would have given us great info to see how it works," he said."
Anonymous
10/13/2020 12:52
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
FCPS has published a 200-page plan for phased reopening:
https://www.fcps.org/update/reopening (click on "Download FCPS' Final Plan for Reopening and Advancing Forward, July, 2020 (Revised October 5, 2020)")
down to the level of the procedures on the playground. I'm fine if FCPS says the numbers mean they are not ready to move to the next phase, but at least they've published a detailed plan, and are acting on it.
That's not what happened, though. It wasn't the numbers. It was that the board decided that the plan was infeasible. And, not surprisingly, the logistical problems they were concerned about are also logistical problems MCPS is concerned about.
Frederick County school board votes down attempts to move to hybrid model
By Katryna Perera kperera@newspost.com Oct 7, 2020
Frederick County Public Schools students and staff will continue to operate under a virtual learning model until at least the end of the semester following two failed votes at Wednesday's Board of Education meeting.
The motions made Wednesday would have allowed the school system's youngest learners to begin returning to school under a hybrid model. The first motion that was put to a vote would have brought back all students in grades pre-K through second and would have expanded the small group, in-person learning. This motion failed four to three. It received support from Board President Brad Young, and board members Michael Bunitsky and Liz Barrett. It also received support from the student member.
The second motion was more restricted, with only pre-K and kindergarten students coming back into buildings. It failed five to two. Young and Bunitsky were the only members who voted to support it. It also received support from the student member.
Board members spent more than two hours discussing the reopening plans. Many seemed hesitant to move forward without more assurances in place that they could keep students and staff safe from COVID-19 if they were to return to school.
Board Vice President Jay Mason pointed out that cases have already arisen within pods of students who are doing in-person conditioning for sports and in-person learning.
"The problem is we still have a lot of people who are getting [COVID-19]...I feel for the families that aren't having success right now. Every day at my house isn't great," Mason said. "I don't know how we bring them back in the school and do it safely, I just don't know how we do that."
Much of the discussion also focused on staffing. Jamie Aliveto, executive director of System Accountability and School Administration for FCPS, made it clear to board members early on that it would be difficult to expand small group learning if teachers were not comfortable returning to the classroom.
"We have said since April, we cannot bring students back into the building until staff are back into the building. Staff have to be comfortable with the new protocol, comfortable with the new way of doing business. We have to get good at it first before we expand further," she said.
A survey recently published by FCPS said that 17 percent of the almost 3,000 staff surveyed did not plan to work in-person for the 2020-2021 school year. Young made the point that if a hybrid model was approved by the board, teachers would be required to teach in-person, per the current agreements between FCPS and the Frederick County Teachers Association.
Part of transitioning into a hybrid model would be concurrent teaching, the idea that teachers would teach in-person and virtual students at the same time for portions of the day. FCPS staff said planning time for teachers would be increased by 30 percent in order to help with this new requirement.
Many board members seemed concerned about how staff would handle this.
"I think we're asking [teachers] with this concurrent learning plan to be super-humans," board member Rae Gallagher said.
Board members Liz Barrett and Karen Yoho expressed concern at rushing into a new model without making sure the plans are perfect. Yoho suggested waiting to move into a hybrid model until the next semester, which is supposed to begin on Jan. 28.
"Why are we rushing to try to do a crappy job? Why don't we take the time?" Yoho said. "I know there are students hurting, but if we do this not to the best of our ability, not in the way that our teachers feel prepared, we're just slap-dashing it together and I don't see that ultimately that's going to benefit students either."
Young and Bunitsky seemed to be more favorable to begin to bring back students.
"What we have to do is use the information that we know and put in place a plan that is as safe as possible...if we're going to sit and wait until this is 100 percent gone, we're not going to be back in our schools for two years, probably," Young said.
Since the motions failed, it is unlikely that any changes will be made to the current learning environment for this semester. Based on Wednesday's night vote, Young said he is under the impression that students will continue virtual learning until at least January.
He said he was disappointed with the way the board voted, but he has to support the outcome.
"I really felt we needed to get the younger ones back...because they are struggling," he said.
When asked if there was a concern about rushing new plans, Young said he did not feel there were any hasty actions being taken, as it would have been a month until the hybrid model was implemented.
"We spent four months perfecting the plan...the health metrics are good...and it would have given us great info to see how it works," he said.
It is unclear when any reopening plans will be up for discussion again by the board.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 12:39
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Y'all still here shouting into the wind? Wow.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 12:29
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Also, we should stop using the word "deadly" when discussing children.
Yes, it can kill. But not nearly as much as car accidents or drowning, etc. Those are all activities that we still permit our children to engage in. But we take precuations. We put them in car seats. We monitor their pool time. Etc.
So we acknowledge the risk. But instead of avoiding the risk, we try to mitigate it through other actions.
But for some reason, when we see this risk, we don't try to mitigate it; we do everything we can to outright avoid it. Despite the fact that the probability of severe case in children is lower than the other risks, and the consequence of avoidance present a worse danger.
Our response to this, in children at least, is upside down
More children in MoCo have died this year from falling out of windows than from COVID:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/police-fire/child-dies-after-falling-from-apartment-building/
Well, clearly, we need to ban windows!
No school until all windows removed!
But we need more windows so people stop whining about return to the classroom. Hmmm, it's probably best to just stay paralyzed and do nothing.
You got your wish. That's exactly what MCPS is doing -- nothing. They haven't even started to find the funding to upgrade HVAC systems.
They're so big that they apparently get a blank check to do nothing.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 12:21
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Also, we should stop using the word "deadly" when discussing children.
Yes, it can kill. But not nearly as much as car accidents or drowning, etc. Those are all activities that we still permit our children to engage in. But we take precuations. We put them in car seats. We monitor their pool time. Etc.
So we acknowledge the risk. But instead of avoiding the risk, we try to mitigate it through other actions.
But for some reason, when we see this risk, we don't try to mitigate it; we do everything we can to outright avoid it. Despite the fact that the probability of severe case in children is lower than the other risks, and the consequence of avoidance present a worse danger.
Our response to this, in children at least, is upside down
More children in MoCo have died this year from falling out of windows than from COVID:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/police-fire/child-dies-after-falling-from-apartment-building/
Well, clearly, we need to ban windows!
No school until all windows removed!
But we need more windows so people stop whining about return to the classroom. Hmmm, it's probably best to just stay paralyzed and do nothing.
You got your wish. That's exactly what MCPS is doing -- nothing. They haven't even started to find the funding to upgrade HVAC systems.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 12:13
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Also, we should stop using the word "deadly" when discussing children.
Yes, it can kill. But not nearly as much as car accidents or drowning, etc. Those are all activities that we still permit our children to engage in. But we take precuations. We put them in car seats. We monitor their pool time. Etc.
So we acknowledge the risk. But instead of avoiding the risk, we try to mitigate it through other actions.
But for some reason, when we see this risk, we don't try to mitigate it; we do everything we can to outright avoid it. Despite the fact that the probability of severe case in children is lower than the other risks, and the consequence of avoidance present a worse danger.
Our response to this, in children at least, is upside down
More children in MoCo have died this year from falling out of windows than from COVID:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/police-fire/child-dies-after-falling-from-apartment-building/
Well, clearly, we need to ban windows!
No school until all windows removed!
But we need more windows so people stop whining about return to the classroom. Hmmm, it's probably best to just stay paralyzed and do nothing.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 12:10
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Also, we should stop using the word "deadly" when discussing children.
Yes, it can kill. But not nearly as much as car accidents or drowning, etc. Those are all activities that we still permit our children to engage in. But we take precuations. We put them in car seats. We monitor their pool time. Etc.
So we acknowledge the risk. But instead of avoiding the risk, we try to mitigate it through other actions.
But for some reason, when we see this risk, we don't try to mitigate it; we do everything we can to outright avoid it. Despite the fact that the probability of severe case in children is lower than the other risks, and the consequence of avoidance present a worse danger.
Our response to this, in children at least, is upside down
More children in MoCo have died this year from falling out of windows than from COVID:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/police-fire/child-dies-after-falling-from-apartment-building/
Well, clearly, we need to ban windows!
No school until all windows removed!
Anonymous
10/13/2020 12:01
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Also, we should stop using the word "deadly" when discussing children.
Yes, it can kill. But not nearly as much as car accidents or drowning, etc. Those are all activities that we still permit our children to engage in. But we take precuations. We put them in car seats. We monitor their pool time. Etc.
So we acknowledge the risk. But instead of avoiding the risk, we try to mitigate it through other actions.
But for some reason, when we see this risk, we don't try to mitigate it; we do everything we can to outright avoid it. Despite the fact that the probability of severe case in children is lower than the other risks, and the consequence of avoidance present a worse danger.
Our response to this, in children at least, is upside down
More children in MoCo have died this year from falling out of windows than from COVID:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/police-fire/child-dies-after-falling-from-apartment-building/
Anonymous
10/13/2020 11:36
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you all surprised that we’re not going back this year as you let your kids have sleepovers, do carpools, party with your friends, etc? We have been extremely cautious since this started. So many of the complainers are parents who just can’t say no because their kids are bored and need social interaction. Join the club! This is a sacrifice, but it’s the right thing to do. You don’t get to have your hair done and then complain that school isn’t open.
Yeah, but you're wrong; its not the right thing to do.
People act like the collateral damage of quarantine is hypothetical; its not. Its real and its damaging our children on a daily basis in ways worse than COVID ever will.
I am a parent who has permitted sleepovers and camps and sports teams, with cautions (likes masks, outdoors, distancing when possible, etc.).
Because the elderly can't be the only ones who warrant consideration. The children deserve the same level of concern.
And I fully believe that we can protect both groups.
This. Children should not bear the biggest burden of measures.
Agreed. I cried driving by my kids' elementary this morning. It's so crazy that they can't go and I feel so helpless.
I would cry if they had to go in under these circumstances. I mean seriously unless you're part of the GOP death cult why would you want your kids exposed to a deadly virus?
Because they won’t be.
Exactly. And guess what - the virtual option will still exist.
Also, we should stop using the word "deadly" when discussing children.
Yes, it can kill. But not nearly as much as car accidents or drowning, etc. Those are all activities that we still permit our children to engage in. But we take precuations. We put them in car seats. We monitor their pool time. Etc.
So we acknowledge the risk. But instead of avoiding the risk, we try to mitigate it through other actions.
But for some reason, when we see this risk, we don't try to mitigate it; we do everything we can to outright avoid it. Despite the fact that the probability of severe case in children is lower than the other risks, and the consequence of avoidance present a worse danger.
Our response to this, in children at least, is upside down
Anonymous
10/13/2020 11:26
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you all surprised that we’re not going back this year as you let your kids have sleepovers, do carpools, party with your friends, etc? We have been extremely cautious since this started. So many of the complainers are parents who just can’t say no because their kids are bored and need social interaction. Join the club! This is a sacrifice, but it’s the right thing to do. You don’t get to have your hair done and then complain that school isn’t open.
Yeah, but you're wrong; its not the right thing to do.
People act like the collateral damage of quarantine is hypothetical; its not. Its real and its damaging our children on a daily basis in ways worse than COVID ever will.
I am a parent who has permitted sleepovers and camps and sports teams, with cautions (likes masks, outdoors, distancing when possible, etc.).
Because the elderly can't be the only ones who warrant consideration. The children deserve the same level of concern.
And I fully believe that we can protect both groups.
This. Children should not bear the biggest burden of measures.
Agreed. I cried driving by my kids' elementary this morning. It's so crazy that they can't go and I feel so helpless.
I would cry if they had to go in under these circumstances. I mean seriously unless you're part of the GOP death cult why would you want your kids exposed to a deadly virus?
Because they won’t be.
Exactly. And guess what - the virtual option will still exist.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 11:23
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you all surprised that we’re not going back this year as you let your kids have sleepovers, do carpools, party with your friends, etc? We have been extremely cautious since this started. So many of the complainers are parents who just can’t say no because their kids are bored and need social interaction. Join the club! This is a sacrifice, but it’s the right thing to do. You don’t get to have your hair done and then complain that school isn’t open.
MoCo leadership. They chose to allow live music, waxing places, tattoo parlors, and now escape rooms to open. All while saying it's unsafe for schools to open.
The Frederick County, Maryland, school board recently voted for FCPS to stay in distance learning through the end of the first semester. Is that Montgomery County leadership's fault too?
FCPS has published a 200-page plan for phased reopening:
https://www.fcps.org/update/reopening (click on "Download FCPS' Final Plan for Reopening and Advancing Forward, July, 2020 (Revised October 5, 2020)")
down to the level of the procedures on the playground. I'm fine if FCPS says the numbers mean they are not ready to move to the next phase, but at least they've published a detailed plan, and are acting on it.
I think because MCPS is too big to put together a 200-page plan...or something like that.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 11:22
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you all surprised that we’re not going back this year as you let your kids have sleepovers, do carpools, party with your friends, etc? We have been extremely cautious since this started. So many of the complainers are parents who just can’t say no because their kids are bored and need social interaction. Join the club! This is a sacrifice, but it’s the right thing to do. You don’t get to have your hair done and then complain that school isn’t open.
Yeah, but you're wrong; its not the right thing to do.
People act like the collateral damage of quarantine is hypothetical; its not. Its real and its damaging our children on a daily basis in ways worse than COVID ever will.
I am a parent who has permitted sleepovers and camps and sports teams, with cautions (likes masks, outdoors, distancing when possible, etc.).
Because the elderly can't be the only ones who warrant consideration. The children deserve the same level of concern.
And I fully believe that we can protect both groups.
This. Children should not bear the biggest burden of measures.
Agreed. I cried driving by my kids' elementary this morning. It's so crazy that they can't go and I feel so helpless.
I would cry if they had to go in under these circumstances. I mean seriously unless you're part of the GOP death cult why would you want your kids exposed to a deadly virus?
Because they won’t be.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 11:18
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you all surprised that we’re not going back this year as you let your kids have sleepovers, do carpools, party with your friends, etc? We have been extremely cautious since this started. So many of the complainers are parents who just can’t say no because their kids are bored and need social interaction. Join the club! This is a sacrifice, but it’s the right thing to do. You don’t get to have your hair done and then complain that school isn’t open.
MoCo leadership. They chose to allow live music, waxing places, tattoo parlors, and now escape rooms to open. All while saying it's unsafe for schools to open.
The Frederick County, Maryland, school board recently voted for FCPS to stay in distance learning through the end of the first semester. Is that Montgomery County leadership's fault too?
FCPS has published a 200-page plan for phased reopening:
https://www.fcps.org/update/reopening (click on "Download FCPS' Final Plan for Reopening and Advancing Forward, July, 2020 (Revised October 5, 2020)")
down to the level of the procedures on the playground. I'm fine if FCPS says the numbers mean they are not ready to move to the next phase, but at least they've published a detailed plan, and are acting on it.
Anonymous
10/13/2020 11:18
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You can jump up and down. Scream and shout. Post away.
Nothing is going to change with our schools they will be virtual until Trump is gone.
While Trump doesn't make those decisions his complete lack of being human creates a chaos like no other.
Trump wins in November no more schools as we know it. If you think this is not going to get worse all over the country you are not paying attention.
That doesn’t even make any sense.
No chance Trump wins in November anyway, but Trump WANTS to see schools re-open.
Old white people vote
Young and minorities do not vote
He has a very good chance of winning.
If Trump wants you bet, Russian trolls are working overtime on it too.