Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 12:37     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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Racial quotas are illegal


Not if you pretend you are using them because you value diversity.


No, they’re explicitly illegal.


What colleges do is they say they are using diversity factors, then they have quotas that they implement behind the scenes. The Supreme Court upheld this, but Antonin Scalia called them out on this, noting their look for diversity seemed to result in each race staying within a narrow range each year. Native Americans 1%, etc.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 09:47     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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That’s right! The Asians are smarter than the other minorities, therefore they deserve those spots at TJ and at the Ivy’s. With those credentials they will be able to work along next to us white folks.


No one has claimed that they're smarter. What they generally are is harder working and more motivated. Those sound like excellent qualities for TJ or future success. Why are you discounting them?


Because TJ is best understood as an outstanding opportunity, rather than as an outcome or a prize to be won.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 09:34     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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That’s right! The Asians are smarter than the other minorities, therefore they deserve those spots at TJ and at the Ivy’s. With those credentials they will be able to work along next to us white folks.


No one has claimed that they're smarter. What they generally are is harder working and more motivated. Those sound like excellent qualities for TJ or future success. Why are you discounting them?
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 07:54     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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In as far as a race-blind admission can be which is to say it isn't because that's illegal. However, there are problems looking at the distribution of seats. One group is overrepresented while all others are underrepresented, but I agree this indicates that the process is flawed.


Your casual comment belies your perspective. In short, you believe that seats should be distributed according to race.


DP - there is a difference between "seats should be distributed according to race" and "barriers to certain communities should be removed".

YOUR comment belies YOUR perspective that certain races are inherently more deserving of seats than others.



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Ah yes. When you can't attack the logic, attack the motive. I said nada/zip/nothing regarding race. Removing merit aspects and adding subjective measures to admission criteria ensures a degree of randomness and opens the door to biased essay assessment, both of which will likely result in less-qualified admissions.



The term 'overrepresented' is a racist dog whistle. By this group, you mean 'Asians,' who simply completed on the same playing field as everyone else. You can't claim privilege, because many come over here as immigrants without much money, and they are grossly under reported for FRM. You hate them because they are not on the 'plantation' as the other races kept in perpetual subservience. Congratulations, you are officially a bigot!


That’s right! The Asians are smarter than the other minorities, therefore they deserve those spots at TJ and at the Ivy’s. With those credentials they will be able to work along next to us white folks.

They can even be considered honorary whit folks.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 07:53     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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In as far as a race-blind admission can be which is to say it isn't because that's illegal. However, there are problems looking at the distribution of seats. One group is overrepresented while all others are underrepresented, but I agree this indicates that the process is flawed.


Your casual comment belies your perspective. In short, you believe that seats should be distributed according to race.


DP - there is a difference between "seats should be distributed according to race" and "barriers to certain communities should be removed".

YOUR comment belies YOUR perspective that certain races are inherently more deserving of seats than others.



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Ah yes. When you can't attack the logic, attack the motive. I said nada/zip/nothing regarding race. Removing merit aspects and adding subjective measures to admission criteria ensures a degree of randomness and opens the door to biased essay assessment, both of which will likely result in less-qualified admissions.



The term 'overrepresented' is a racist dog whistle. By this group, you mean 'Asians,' who simply completed on the same playing field as everyone else. You can't claim privilege, because many come over here as immigrants without much money, and they are grossly under reported for FRM. You hate them because they are not on the 'plantation' as the other races kept in perpetual subservience. Congratulations, you are officially a bigot!


That’s right! The Asians are smarter than the other minorities, therefore they deserve those spots at TJ and at the Ivy’s. With those credentials they will be able to work along next to us white folks.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 19:03     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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In as far as a race-blind admission can be which is to say it isn't because that's illegal. However, there are problems looking at the distribution of seats. One group is overrepresented while all others are underrepresented, but I agree this indicates that the process is flawed.


Your casual comment belies your perspective. In short, you believe that seats should be distributed according to race.


DP - there is a difference between "seats should be distributed according to race" and "barriers to certain communities should be removed".

YOUR comment belies YOUR perspective that certain races are inherently more deserving of seats than others.



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Ah yes. When you can't attack the logic, attack the motive. I said nada/zip/nothing regarding race. Removing merit aspects and adding subjective measures to admission criteria ensures a degree of randomness and opens the door to biased essay assessment, both of which will likely result in less-qualified admissions.



The term 'overrepresented' is a racist dog whistle. By this group, you mean 'Asians,' who simply completed on the same playing field as everyone else. You can't claim privilege, because many come over here as immigrants without much money, and they are grossly under reported for FRM. You hate them because they are not on the 'plantation' as the other races kept in perpetual subservience. Congratulations, you are officially a bigot!

Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 16:04     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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In as far as a race-blind admission can be which is to say it isn't because that's illegal. However, there are problems looking at the distribution of seats. One group is overrepresented while all others are underrepresented, but I agree this indicates that the process is flawed.


Your casual comment belies your perspective. In short, you believe that seats should be distributed according to race.


DP - there is a difference between "seats should be distributed according to race" and "barriers to certain communities should be removed".

YOUR comment belies YOUR perspective that certain races are inherently more deserving of seats than others.



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Ah yes. When you can't attack the logic, attack the motive. I said nada/zip/nothing regarding race. Removing merit aspects and adding subjective measures to admission criteria ensures a degree of randomness and opens the door to biased essay assessment, both of which will likely result in less-qualified admissions.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 16:01     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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Racial quotas are illegal


Not if you pretend you are using them because you value diversity.


No, they’re explicitly illegal.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 15:42     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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Racial quotas are illegal


Not if you pretend you are using them because you value diversity.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 15:41     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
I wasn't talking about the Battlebots kid. It appears that kid is not white and the kid I am referring to I think is in Fairfax not Herndon.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 14:43     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.


And the way to stop purchasing admissions is to implement a per school quota?


No, it's to remove the exam.

This means the per-school quota which was implemented had nothing to do with the alleged cheating on an entrance exam.
They had some other goal in mind.


Yes. It’s called making TJ more accessible for white families. White PTA moms that push their kids into AAP programs so they can brag, and now they want their kid attending TJ for the status symbol. The admissions changes had NOTHING to do with increase in URMs. It was only when the school was majority Asian and white kids could not compete head to head was drastic change called for.

Yet, I haven’t heard any complaints from Asians about white kids taking their spots. The have made a federal case out of the thought of Latino and Black kids taking spots they want though.


The federal case does not make that point. When they increase the incoming class size from 480-550, they could have met their diversity goals from the extra 70 seats. They decided not to. The only group that was negatively impacted was the 'Asian' demographic because there are ant-Asian bigots in FCPS who feel that they are 'over-represented,' a racist dogwhistle because there is no such as thing as over representation of excellence,


Can someone explain how 'Asian' becomes a race identification? The Indians and east Asians don't look like and have different cultures. They bring just as much diversity. North Indians are probably part whites at the DNA level. If we are following FCPS's racial agenda here -- the Indians should not be lumped into this manufactured 'Asian' race, and the FCPS's race 'problem' will be solved. If you look at the world as large, TJ's race and ethnicity roughly mirror the world's demographics. Indo-European is about half with east asian a quarter. Africans are less represented for sure, but that could be solved by using the extra 70 seats exclusively for URMs.

This entire 'reform' is racist as ****.


Indians are FAR more overrepresented at TJ than East Asians. FAR FAR FAR.



An earlier post cited it quite well. The new admission process is Racist As F_k!

Maybe so, but you could look at the results of the old one and see that was too. Any person with integrity can appreciate the effort to try to reverse it.


The old process was very classist too. It favored just the people who invested big $$$ in prep. The new one isn't perfect but at least it's a little little bit more diverse.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 14:13     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:
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race-blind admissions is a distraction. Seems like the real issue is purchasing admissions.


And the way to stop purchasing admissions is to implement a per school quota?


No, it's to remove the exam.

This means the per-school quota which was implemented had nothing to do with the alleged cheating on an entrance exam.
They had some other goal in mind.


Yes. It’s called making TJ more accessible for white families. White PTA moms that push their kids into AAP programs so they can brag, and now they want their kid attending TJ for the status symbol. The admissions changes had NOTHING to do with increase in URMs. It was only when the school was majority Asian and white kids could not compete head to head was drastic change called for.

Yet, I haven’t heard any complaints from Asians about white kids taking their spots. The have made a federal case out of the thought of Latino and Black kids taking spots they want though.


The federal case does not make that point. When they increase the incoming class size from 480-550, they could have met their diversity goals from the extra 70 seats. They decided not to. The only group that was negatively impacted was the 'Asian' demographic because there are ant-Asian bigots in FCPS who feel that they are 'over-represented,' a racist dogwhistle because there is no such as thing as over representation of excellence,


Can someone explain how 'Asian' becomes a race identification? The Indians and east Asians don't look like and have different cultures. They bring just as much diversity. North Indians are probably part whites at the DNA level. If we are following FCPS's racial agenda here -- the Indians should not be lumped into this manufactured 'Asian' race, and the FCPS's race 'problem' will be solved. If you look at the world as large, TJ's race and ethnicity roughly mirror the world's demographics. Indo-European is about half with east asian a quarter. Africans are less represented for sure, but that could be solved by using the extra 70 seats exclusively for URMs.

This entire 'reform' is racist as ****.


Indians are FAR more overrepresented at TJ than East Asians. FAR FAR FAR.



An earlier post cited it quite well. The new admission process is Racist As F_k!

Maybe so, but you could look at the results of the old one and see that was too. Any person with integrity can appreciate the effort to try to reverse it.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 14:03     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
Anonymous wrote:In as far as a race-blind admission can be which is to say it isn't because that's illegal. However, there are problems looking at the distribution of seats. One group is overrepresented while all others are underrepresented, but I agree this indicates that the process is flawed.


The range does seem kind of extreme but I think it's a function of how flawed the selection process was and still is. I'm not against hard work but the prep arms race that many parents engage in throws a wrench into the process.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 13:59     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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In as far as a race-blind admission can be which is to say it isn't because that's illegal. However, there are problems looking at the distribution of seats. One group is overrepresented while all others are underrepresented, but I agree this indicates that the process is flawed.


Your casual comment belies your perspective. In short, you believe that seats should be distributed according to race.


DP - there is a difference between "seats should be distributed according to race" and "barriers to certain communities should be removed".

YOUR comment belies YOUR perspective that certain races are inherently more deserving of seats than others.


I think what your missing is that wealthy schools where prep is common were gobbling up all the seats making it nearly impossible for students in less wealthy areas that are often URMs to compete or maybe you just don't want your kids in school with poor and have issues with diversity.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2021 13:44     Subject: Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change
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YOUR comment belies YOUR perspective that certain races are inherently more deserving of seats than others.


DP. Why are we even talking about who is 'inherently more deserving?" TJ shouldn't be picking kids based on inherent ability/raw aptitude when motivation and hard work are such important components of succeeding at TJ. I'm white, and I have no problem with admitting that in general, Asian families prioritize education more than other families and the kids tend to work much harder. Asians most likely are deserving of more seats, since they're putting in much more effort than everyone else. I think it's gross to act as if motivation and effort equals privilege, and then completely discount them so they can reduce Asians at TJ.