Is it common for people to be sending their kids to Mathnasium and having a reading/writing tutor in third grade? That seems kind of insane to me.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 141
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 132/133/115 Composite 130
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) not known yet
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Parent Referral: (Y/N): Yes with several work samples
WISC: NO
Zip Code: 22043
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

Absolutely crushed here. Our older son got in with lower test scores. Our son is not challenged now and he has been going to Mathnasiumn for enrichment.

I'm not usually one to yell "appeal!", but I would appeal this one. And I would definitely want to see the GBRS.

Additional information, this is his second year applying. Our AART teacher said that nothing in his packet was too different from others that did get in except his original CoGAT scores from applying in 2nd grade were a bit too low (118). Could have been a bad day, who knows! His NNAT-2 was 123 which was 92%. His GBRS was decent at 10 nothing stellar but nothing that should exclude him. He is a shy and a reserved kid at school. He had letters from music teachers and sports coaches. Submitted some self-driven science experiments he conducted. Nothing spectacular but definitely showed independent work and curiousity. We helped compile the projects in a format for submitting extra work samples but I wanted to be sure that it didn't look like the parents did the work...because we didn't! But I fear that work samples that other students submit may have been strongly guided by adults and we refused to do that.

So this time applying in 3rd grade for 4th grade AAP, we got him retested for both NNAT-3 and CoGAT and that is where his scores are now 141 (99%) and 130 (97%), respectively. I can't imagine his GBRS score being any worse than last year. He does very well in school with mostly 4 and very few 3s and he does level III enrichment. His teacher always says he is doing well and is a great student. But he is a first year teacher too so maybe he isn't familiar with this whole AAP process? My son has been going to Mathnasium and Reading and Writing Tutors for enrichment and to prepare him for AAP curriculum. He has worked his butt off this past year with barely any complaints of all the extra work he does compared to his peers. We haven't told him the outcome yet because we don't know how to tell him that all that hard work didn't get him into AAP.

I know in the grand scheme of things, this is going to be a minor blip and hopefully it drives him to work even harder to prove "them" wrong. He is a great kid with a huge heart and tries so very hard. Just a tough pill to swallow as an 8 yo. Life isn't fair all the time. I just didn't want him to learn this lesson so early...

(Coming from private school)
NNAT: not taken
COGAT: not taken
GBRS: all consistent, though I hear they discount/ignore GBRS from non-FCPS teachers?
In-Pool: N
Parent Referral: Y
WISC: 132 composite
AAP Decision: IN
Also submitted all supplemental materials that were permitted (recommendations, work samples).

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My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

You don’t get told you are not in pool. Pp probably wasn’t in pool.

My point still stands. How can anyone not figure it out? The letter that says in pool comes with your child’s scores. If you didn’t get a letter, your child obviously wasn’t in the pool. SMH. At this point in the process to not know that? I’m sorry, pure ignorance.

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My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

You don’t get told you are not in pool. Pp probably wasn’t in pool.

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My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 141
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 132/133/115 Composite 130
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) not known yet
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Parent Referral: (Y/N): Yes with several work samples
WISC: NO
Zip Code: 22043
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

Absolutely crushed here. Our older son got in with lower test scores. Our son is not challenged now and he has been going to Mathnasiumn for enrichment.

I'm not usually one to yell "appeal!", but I would appeal this one. And I would definitely want to see the GBRS.

Anonymous wrote:What is DRA and GBRC and how can we access this info? Also how do you know if she is in pool?

You would have received a letter back in January if your child was in pool. That was the deadline also to parent refer.

If your kid was not in pool and you didn’t refer back in January, an AAP packet may not have been created for your child.

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My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

You can request the packet submitted from your school’s AART. I would request the packet and decide from there.

My kid had a higher Cogat and was rejected. I received packet and he also had a high GBRS and DRA. I am appealing.

My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

What is DRA and GBRC and how can we access this info? Also how do you know if she is in pool?

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 141
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 132/133/115 Composite 130
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) not known yet
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Parent Referral: (Y/N): Yes with several work samples
WISC: NO
Zip Code: 22043
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

Absolutely crushed here. Our older son got in with lower test scores. Our son is not challenged now and he has been going to Mathnasiumn for enrichment.

YOu weren't in-pool with a 141 NNAT?

This, the 141 NNAT and the 133 on the quant section of the cogat should have gotten the kid in the pool. Maybe PP mistyped.

The 141 NNAT and 115 on the nonverbal section of the cogat is weird. Those are pretty similar.

I should clarify this is to get in for 4th grade AAP. That is why he wasn't in the pool.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 141
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 132/133/115 Composite 130
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) not known yet
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Parent Referral: (Y/N): Yes with several work samples
WISC: NO
Zip Code: 22043
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

Absolutely crushed here. Our older son got in with lower test scores. Our son is not challenged now and he has been going to Mathnasiumn for enrichment.

YOu weren't in-pool with a 141 NNAT?

This, the 141 NNAT and the 133 on the quant section of the cogat should have gotten the kid in the pool. Maybe PP mistyped.

The 141 NNAT and 115 on the nonverbal section of the cogat is weird. Those are pretty similar.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t advanced academics. Not sure what it is. With low scores getting in and high scores getting rejected, it simply isn’t. There will be lawsuits and rightly so. It gives certain kids access to a better education and there doesn’t seem to be a rational basis for it. Someone is going to bring the whole thing down. And considering it costs the county a fortune to maintain this two-tiered system, I hope it does get tossed out. And no, we weren’t rejected. We decided the whole system was a farce and went private.

No, it doesn't cost a fortune and the state of Virginia requires some sort of gifted program. So it's this or something else.

Gifted is considered top 2 percent on IQ tests. That would be a much smaller program and thus much less expensive. This bohemoth isn’t a gifted program. It is a hugely irresponsible boondoggle with taxpayer funds that fails to even provide some of the gifted kids with the education that you say the state requires. It is indefensible.

My kid got a 136 on the Cogat and the NNAT. He hasn't taken the WISC because why would he? Those scores are top 2 percent.

I'm happy with AAP but even if I weren't, I wouldn't choose private. So we have very differing priorities for our children.

I hope your kid got in. Should have. If didn’t, then you are proving my point. If did, then go away because lots of kids did better and didn’t get in.

Lol

I'm telling you, private school parent, whether AAP is a bloated tick or a gifted program, it doesn't cost much. The most expense is in the testing, but since Virginia requires some sort of gifted program, some sort of tests are required. The AAP kids don't get special facilities or resources, just regular elementary and middle school teachers.

That is hilarious. If it was so much the same as Gen Ed, why all the long faces and scrambling to get kids in. You don’t really believe what you just typed. And if you say that to the parents whose kids didn’t get it, don’t be surprised if they punch you in the face.

It's the same cost as Gen Ed. The material is more advanced, that doesn't require more qualified teachers that are paid more. The AAP classes are also not smaller than the gen Ed classes as a general rule, so there is no need for extra teachers. People are upset because they wanted the more advanced curriculum for their kids. Them being more upset doesn't make the program cost "a fortune." You are conflating issues. You're upset about the selection process, that's different than cost.

You defended the program by saying the state requires a Gifted program. That could be achieved by provided extra to 2 to 3 percent of the student body. You cannot possibly dent that it wouldn’t cost less to do that than to do what AAP in providing extra to somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of kids. And to deny the cost associated with creating centers and busing kids all around and having AARTs. That is all added cost. And reviewing the applications and appeals. All costs money. And you defend it as a gifted program and then say I complain about the selection process as if my complaint is undeserved. Well yeah I do think that objectively gifted kids should be admitted. Yes there will be kids on the margins for whom added materials could help but if the test scores day gifted, teacher and parent add ons shouldn’t be necessary.

Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 141
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) 132/133/115 Composite 130
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) not known yet
In-Pool: (Y/N) : N
Parent Referral: (Y/N): Yes with several work samples
WISC: NO
Zip Code: 22043
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

Absolutely crushed here. Our older son got in with lower test scores. Our son is not challenged now and he has been going to Mathnasiumn for enrichment.

Wow, I would have expected a kid with these scores to be in. That sucks big time.