Anonymous
04/20/2018 09:09
Subject: Re:WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
The issue is it is clear that reporting these people does not matter. As long as there is only one investigator, as long as cases are dismissed, and as long as fines are not collected there is little reason for people to change their behavior.
So instead of writing down plate numbers, write, or better yet visit, your CMs. I'm not sure how much it will matter but it is clear going through the current channels do not work so don't waste your time.
So instead of writing down plate numbers, write, or better yet visit, your CMs. I'm not sure how much it will matter but it is clear going through the current channels do not work so don't waste your time.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 08:54
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
I’m one of many DC taxpayers who don’t think self-righteous anger is a good justification for disturbing vigilante behavior.
Go drop off your kid at school five days a week, 30-odd weeks a year. It’s not stalking, it’s observation, and it is impossible to miss.
Exactly. Give me a break that the same ubers with MD tags are bringing the same kids to school everyday. Why can’t you admit there is a problem and dc is turning their heads?
Because clearly PP buys into the entitled rationalization of residency fraud. DCPS would have more money to serve kids in DC if we fixed the problem.
Just because people don’t advocate for writing down or photographing license plates doesn’t mean they are pro-residency fraud or that they deny there’s a problem. I understand it is upsetting and that we want a solution. I wonder if tracking and reporting people is the most productive and non-toxic use of your time though.im assuming many of you have already reported people with Maryland plates. What was the outcome?
You can't report just a license plate. You need to report a child's name or a parents' name.
Good catch! Phrased wrong. Have you ever reported a child or family based on a license plate and what was the outcome?
Anonymous
04/20/2018 08:43
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
I’m one of many DC taxpayers who don’t think self-righteous anger is a good justification for disturbing vigilante behavior.
Go drop off your kid at school five days a week, 30-odd weeks a year. It’s not stalking, it’s observation, and it is impossible to miss.
Exactly. Give me a break that the same ubers with MD tags are bringing the same kids to school everyday. Why can’t you admit there is a problem and dc is turning their heads?
Because clearly PP buys into the entitled rationalization of residency fraud. DCPS would have more money to serve kids in DC if we fixed the problem.
Just because people don’t advocate for writing down or photographing license plates doesn’t mean they are pro-residency fraud or that they deny there’s a problem. I understand it is upsetting and that we want a solution. I wonder if tracking and reporting people is the most productive and non-toxic use of your time though.im assuming many of you have already reported people with Maryland plates. What was the outcome?
You can't report just a license plate. You need to report a child's name or a parents' name.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 08:18
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
I’m one of many DC taxpayers who don’t think self-righteous anger is a good justification for disturbing vigilante behavior.
Go drop off your kid at school five days a week, 30-odd weeks a year. It’s not stalking, it’s observation, and it is impossible to miss.
Exactly. Give me a break that the same ubers with MD tags are bringing the same kids to school everyday. Why can’t you admit there is a problem and dc is turning their heads?
Because clearly PP buys into the entitled rationalization of residency fraud. DCPS would have more money to serve kids in DC if we fixed the problem.
Just because people don’t advocate for writing down or photographing license plates doesn’t mean they are pro-residency fraud or that they deny there’s a problem. I understand it is upsetting and that we want a solution. I wonder if tracking and reporting people is the most productive and non-toxic use of your time though.im assuming many of you have already reported people with Maryland plates. What was the outcome?
Anonymous
04/20/2018 08:05
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
I’m one of many DC taxpayers who don’t think self-righteous anger is a good justification for disturbing vigilante behavior.
Go drop off your kid at school five days a week, 30-odd weeks a year. It’s not stalking, it’s observation, and it is impossible to miss.
Exactly. Give me a break that the same ubers with MD tags are bringing the same kids to school everyday. Why can’t you admit there is a problem and dc is turning their heads?
Because clearly PP buys into the entitled rationalization of residency fraud. DCPS would have more money to serve kids in DC if we fixed the problem.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 07:53
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
I’m one of many DC taxpayers who don’t think self-righteous anger is a good justification for disturbing vigilante behavior.
Go drop off your kid at school five days a week, 30-odd weeks a year. It’s not stalking, it’s observation, and it is impossible to miss.
Exactly. Give me a break that the same ubers with MD tags are bringing the same kids to school everyday. Why can’t you admit there is a problem and dc is turning their heads?
Anonymous
04/20/2018 07:52
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
I’m one of many DC taxpayers who don’t think self-righteous anger is a good justification for disturbing vigilante behavior.
Go drop off your kid at school five days a week, 30-odd weeks a year. It’s not stalking, it’s observation, and it is impossible to miss.
What school does your kid attend?
Anonymous
04/20/2018 07:49
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
I’m one of many DC taxpayers who don’t think self-righteous anger is a good justification for disturbing vigilante behavior.
Go drop off your kid at school five days a week, 30-odd weeks a year. It’s not stalking, it’s observation, and it is impossible to miss.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 07:40
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
I’m one of many DC taxpayers who don’t think self-righteous anger is a good justification for disturbing vigilante behavior.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 07:21
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
I think DC taxpayers are angry and can nitpick.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 07:19
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the deal - all you need is a few well publicized stories on Families having to pay - and implication to students and people will start to think twice about it.
It's well publicized that some people who commit crimes go to jail for a long time, but there's still plenty of crime - that's because criminals don't expect to get caught. Research consistently finds that "The certainty of being caught is a vastly more powerful deterrent than the punishment." (https://nij.gov/five-things/pages/deterrence.aspx)
An out-of-district parent who knows of dozens of people who don't pay anything and a few who pay a lot, they are unlikely to be deterred. So while people who are caught shouldn't be let off the hook, the focus should be on removing out-of-district families.
People rationalize their bad behavior. They see the ones who were caught and punished as a different situation. The cheaters have a deep sense of entitlement and have completely rationalized their criminality.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 07:08
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the deal - all you need is a few well publicized stories on Families having to pay - and implication to students and people will start to think twice about it.
It's well publicized that some people who commit crimes go to jail for a long time, but there's still plenty of crime - that's because criminals don't expect to get caught. Research consistently finds that "The certainty of being caught is a vastly more powerful deterrent than the punishment." (https://nij.gov/five-things/pages/deterrence.aspx)
An out-of-district parent who knows of dozens of people who don't pay anything and a few who pay a lot, they are unlikely to be deterred. So while people who are caught shouldn't be let off the hook, the focus should be on removing out-of-district families.
Here's the other way to catch the scammers. Right now, many schools have a financial incentive not to worry about residency fraud. DC should make clear that if schools report fraud and expel scammers, that they will get to keep their funding and even get a bonus for each fraud case they uncover. On the other hand, if the fraud is uncovered by OSSE, then the school should lose 150% of the scammer's per pupil funding allotment. That will focus the principals on the problem damn quick.
This is a good idea that could be taken a step further, by offering admins major financial incentives to attract and retain in-boundary families. They currently have none. This is half the reason you see EotP schools, particularly on Cap Hill, where 2/3 of the students are OOB (and poor in largely gentrified neighborhoods). If you want to make a neighborhood school system work, you need provide principals with incentives to work to draw neighbors in.
??? They want IB families, but the families don't want to enroll, which is a different type of problem. Or it building is just too big for the size of the boundary.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 04:37
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the deal - all you need is a few well publicized stories on Families having to pay - and implication to students and people will start to think twice about it.
It's well publicized that some people who commit crimes go to jail for a long time, but there's still plenty of crime - that's because criminals don't expect to get caught. Research consistently finds that "The certainty of being caught is a vastly more powerful deterrent than the punishment." (https://nij.gov/five-things/pages/deterrence.aspx)
An out-of-district parent who knows of dozens of people who don't pay anything and a few who pay a lot, they are unlikely to be deterred. So while people who are caught shouldn't be let off the hook, the focus should be on removing out-of-district families.
Here's the other way to catch the scammers. Right now, many schools have a financial incentive not to worry about residency fraud. DC should make clear that if schools report fraud and expel scammers, that they will get to keep their funding and even get a bonus for each fraud case they uncover. On the other hand, if the fraud is uncovered by OSSE, then the school should lose 150% of the scammer's per pupil funding allotment. That will focus the principals on the problem damn quick.
This is a good idea that could be taken a step further, by offering admins major financial incentives to attract and retain in-boundary families. They currently have none. This is half the reason you see EotP schools, particularly on Cap Hill, where 2/3 of the students are OOB (and poor in largely gentrified neighborhoods). If you want to make a neighborhood school system work, you need provide principals with incentives to work to draw neighbors in.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 02:15
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Please stop citing/recording license plates at dropoff/pickup.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
In a world of Uber/Rideshare/Blended Families/Nannyshares license plate nitpicking is really creepy.
Anonymous
04/20/2018 01:42
Subject: WaPo takes deep dive into DCPS residency fraud
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the deal - all you need is a few well publicized stories on Families having to pay - and implication to students and people will start to think twice about it.
It's well publicized that some people who commit crimes go to jail for a long time, but there's still plenty of crime - that's because criminals don't expect to get caught. Research consistently finds that "The certainty of being caught is a vastly more powerful deterrent than the punishment." (https://nij.gov/five-things/pages/deterrence.aspx)
An out-of-district parent who knows of dozens of people who don't pay anything and a few who pay a lot, they are unlikely to be deterred. So while people who are caught shouldn't be let off the hook, the focus should be on removing out-of-district families.
Here's the other way to catch the scammers. Right now, many schools have a financial incentive not to worry about residency fraud. DC should make clear that if schools report fraud and expel scammers, that they will get to keep their funding and even get a bonus for each fraud case they uncover. On the other hand, if the fraud is uncovered by OSSE, then the school should lose 150% of the scammer's per pupil funding allotment. That will focus the principals on the problem damn quick.
You have this backwards. OSSE should do ALL of the residency verification and the schools should do none. Take it out of individual schools' hands just like they did with the lottery. It's either all above board or OSSE owns the failures.
Yeah what is one registrar or clerk supposed to do in a school, they are in the office and copy the docs, if they look fraudulent they don't register. These folks are not stupid they are using others addresses, fake docs, and fake letters from grandma!
It's the school administrators, teachers and employees who know that the kids don't live in DC. Sometimes the students will say something. Other times, school employees see the kids getting out of and into MD cars every day, and it's clear that the driver isn't a grandparent or a caregiver.
Yes we know, but the families provide fake docs as the bar is really low, hence the need for investigation!