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Anonymous wrote:So, after 13 pages...

If I can afford UChicago, I'd choose UChicago.
If it requires a huge loan, no school, not even Harvard, is worth it, if that's going to weigh down student's future.

That's me based on my financial situation. Only OP can decide what's best for the student and the family.

a voice of reason. I truly hope OP fled all the vitriole.

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UChicago parent to be. My D rec'd 2015 outcomes where 88% from UChicago got into med school vs 41% nationwide and link to 2016 outcomes where 82% got in vs. 39% nationwide. Surprised to see 48% of grads go into banking (Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley) or consulting after graduating while 11% go to STEM jobs and the majority of rest go to grad school.

Why did you or they combine banking and consulting? Misleading. The overwhelming majority of that 48% are consultants and the banking is Chicago office. UC is not a Wall Street feeder.

I don't think you should measure a College by whether or not it's a Wall Street feeder, but you are wrong once again. You are a clueless moron who keeps posting blatant lies here. Stop embarrassing yourself.

According the WSO Investment Banking Industry Report, here are the top ten target schools in 2017:

University of Pennsylvania
New York University
Harvard University
University of Cambridge
Cornell University
The University of Texas at Austin
Columbia University
Duke University
University of Chicago
University of Michigan

And this is just from the changes at the College in the last few years. I think in another decade Chicago will become a top five. In fact their strength at Morgan Stanley already rivals Harvard, exceeds all other schools at Deutsch Bank and is rapidly climbing at JPMorgan. And this is for undergrad recruiting before you make some idiotic comment about this having MBA data in it.

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UChicago parent to be. My D rec'd 2015 outcomes where 88% from UChicago got into med school vs 41% nationwide and link to 2016 outcomes where 82% got in vs. 39% nationwide. Surprised to see 48% of grads go into banking (Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley) or consulting after graduating while 11% go to STEM jobs and the majority of rest go to grad school.

Why did you or they combine banking and consulting? Misleading. The overwhelming majority of that 48% are consultants and the banking is Chicago office. UC is not a Wall Street feeder.

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Usually about 150 entering first-years indicate that they are interested in medical school. Each year, we support approximately 100-125 students and alumni in their applications to medical school.

So 150 students from each class tend to want premed.

100-125 students AND alumni are supported.

So they seem to be advising people out of premed.

That is the one of dumbest things I have heard. You are a moron. The Attrition rates in premed in other schools is as great if not greater. Uchicago is not an outlier by any stretch of imagination. If you don't know anything about the UCIHP program, don't embarrass yourself by displaying your stupidity

150 HS grads say they plan to become doctors before they’ve taken any science class in college and before they’ve been exposed to all sorts of other disciplines and occupations.

Four years later more than half are probably still pursuing that goal (and a few may come back (or switch) to it a couple of years later). No reason to believe UChicago are being driven out of pre-med. Both my Harvard roommate and I switched from pre-professional aspirations (med school and law school respectively) and ended up in PhD programs instead. Not because we couldn’t get into med/law school, but because once we got to college, we each discovered something we liked better. Harvard didn’t advise us out of our HS plan — it broadened our horizons. That’s what college is supposed to do.

Saw this a lot when I taught college, too. Pre-med is what HS kids say to signal that they’re smart, to express their expectation of having a UMC job, and to keep adults (including their parents) off their backs. Many quickly discover that they’re not interested in or up for the work it requires.

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Usually about 150 entering first-years indicate that they are interested in medical school. Each year, we support approximately 100-125 students and alumni in their applications to medical school.

So 150 students from each class tend to want premed.

100-125 students AND alumni are supported.

So they seem to be advising people out of premed.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.forbes.com/best-value-colleges/#7d3098fd245b


Forbes America's Best Value Colleges 2018:

#21 University of Virginia

#74 University of Chicago

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Who do they consider premed? Is there an application to be in the track? GPA requirement? Do they advice people "out" of it if they don't think the application will be successful?

You can't trust stats like that without context.

I agree. The UChicago parent who posted also stated the stats s/he received recently from Chicago is from 2015 - not the lower 2016 stats - suggesting Chicago is putting its best foot forward. Surprising number of students who start out as premeds drop out as their GPA gets destroyed from series of weeder courses. State unis are notorious for weeder courses. I am guessing less so at Chicago and other top schools, but I imagine schools do not remove all structural barriers. Swarthmore, for example, openly states it does not give out its committee recommendations lightly.

Context has been provided, yet you chose to ignore it in favor of guessing/imagining and suggesting some attempt at concealment. All this info is posted on UChicago’s website. Make of it what you will, but geez, why opine about a school without any basis in fact or experience?

Because the poster is a loser who got rejected and do hates the school and is looking to scare others. Reasoning with such losers is pointless. You just have to insult them continuously

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Who do they consider premed? Is there an application to be in the track? GPA requirement? Do they advice people "out" of it if they don't think the application will be successful?

You can't trust stats like that without context.

I agree. The UChicago parent who posted also stated the stats s/he received recently from Chicago is from 2015 - not the lower 2016 stats - suggesting Chicago is putting its best foot forward. Surprising number of students who start out as premeds drop out as their GPA gets destroyed from series of weeder courses. State unis are notorious for weeder courses. I am guessing less so at Chicago and other top schools, but I imagine schools do not remove all structural barriers. Swarthmore, for example, openly states it does not give out its committee recommendations lightly.

Context has been provided, yet you chose to ignore it in favor of guessing/imagining and suggesting some attempt at concealment. All this info is posted on UChicago’s website. Make of it what you will, but geez, why opine about a school without any basis in fact or experience?

Geeze... you and your suspicious mind...

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Who do they consider premed? Is there an application to be in the track? GPA requirement? Do they advice people "out" of it if they don't think the application will be successful?

You can't trust stats like that without context.

I agree. The UChicago parent who posted also stated the stats s/he received recently from Chicago is from 2015 - not the lower 2016 stats - suggesting Chicago is putting its best foot forward. Surprising number of students who start out as premeds drop out as their GPA gets destroyed from series of weeder courses. State unis are notorious for weeder courses. I am guessing less so at Chicago and other top schools, but I imagine schools do not remove all structural barriers. Swarthmore, for example, openly states it does not give out its committee recommendations lightly.

Context has been provided, yet you chose to ignore it in favor of guessing/imagining and suggesting some attempt at concealment. All this info is posted on UChicago’s website. Make of it what you will, but geez, why opine about a school without any basis in fact or experience?

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Who do they consider premed? Is there an application to be in the track? GPA requirement? Do they advice people "out" of it if they don't think the application will be successful?

You can't trust stats like that without context.

I agree. The UChicago parent who posted also stated the stats s/he received recently from Chicago is from 2015 - not the lower 2016 stats - suggesting Chicago is putting its best foot forward. Surprising number of students who start out as premeds drop out as their GPA gets destroyed from series of weeder courses. State unis are notorious for weeder courses. I am guessing less so at Chicago and other top schools, but I imagine schools do not remove all structural barriers. Swarthmore, for example, openly states it does not give out its committee recommendations lightly.

UChicago parent to be. My D rec'd 2015 outcomes where 88% from UChicago got into med school vs 41% nationwide and link to 2016 outcomes where 82% got in vs. 39% nationwide. Surprised to see 48% of grads go into banking (Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley) or consulting after graduating while 11% go to STEM jobs and the majority of rest go to grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Who do they consider premed? Is there an application to be in the track? GPA requirement? Do they advice people "out" of it if they don't think the application will be successful?

You can't trust stats like that without context.

I agree. The UChicago parent who posted also stated the stats s/he received recently from Chicago is from 2015 - not the lower 2016 stats - suggesting Chicago is putting its best foot forward. Surprising number of students who start out as premeds drop out as their GPA gets destroyed from series of weeder courses. State unis are notorious for weeder courses. I am guessing less so at Chicago and other top schools, but I imagine schools do not remove all structural barriers. Swarthmore, for example, openly states it does not give out its committee recommendations lightly.

There are some selective tracks/programs that provide money, experience, and research opportunities for pre-meds to explore various aspects of the profession, but you don’t have to be in one of them to apply (or be supported by career services as you apply) to med school.

Details are here:

https://careeradvancement.uchicago.edu/health/programs

From the FAQ page on pre-health advising:

How many students arrive at the University of Chicago as a pre-med and how many actually apply to medical school?

Usually about 150 entering first-years indicate that they are interested in medical school. Each year, we support approximately 100-125 students and alumni in their applications to medical school. It is important to remember that a big part of the college experience is exploring new interests—both academically and personally—and learning more about the various career paths that are possible. There will absolutely be students who feel certain that they wish to be a physician, but after being on campus, find that their eyes have been opened to a number of different fields that they wish to explore, and possibly to select as the right path for them. Our goal is to assist in this decision-making process and support our students every step of the way.

Does the University of Chicago have “weed out” classes designed to reduce the number of pre-meds? How tough is the work-load?

Our science courses are not intentionally designed to “weed out” students interested in the health professions. Realistically speaking, yes, some students struggle in the sciences and may realize that this level of science coursework is not interesting or is not a good academic fit—and remember, medical school is going to be another notch higher. So there will be students who decide that this isn’t the best career path for them after taking a few science courses. If you are currently a student who is at the top of your class, with very little effort on your part, you will definitely find that you have to work harder here. You are basically surrounded by others just like you—the best and the brightest! So you have to work a little harder to keep up. But the work-load is definitely manageable once you figure out your study strategies, your balance of time studying vs. time spent on activities, extracurriculars, socializing, etc.

I have heard that UChicago does not have grade inflation. What does that mean for professional school? Do medical schools recognize this difference? Would it be better to go to a less-rigorous school and have a higher GPA?

You are correct—we do not have grade inflation. When medical schools look at your GPA, they are evaluating the rigor of your undergraduate institution, the intensity of your course-load, and your overall grades. They DO recognize that UChicago is not a school that practices grade inflation, and take that into account—within reason. That is not to say that you can earn a 2.0 at UChicago and expect that to be held in the same regard as a 4.0 at another school. The mean GPA nationally for applicants accepted into MD programs in 2017 was 3.71. The mean GPA of UChicago students accepted into MD programs in 2017 was 3.60. Specific to the sciences, the mean accepted science GPA nationally was a 3.64 and the mean UChicago science GPA was a 3.53. It is clear from those results that the medical schools are valuing the rigor of the UChicago experience when they consider candidates.

Speaking of numbers, what is the average MCAT score for UChicago students who are accepted to medical school?

Our students historically perform above the national average on their MCAT exam. The average MCAT score for accepted applicants nationally is 510.4. The UChicago average MCAT score for accepted applicants is a 513.8.

What is your acceptance rate for medical school?

Over the past several years our acceptance rate has been between 79-88%. The national average over the same time period has hovered around 40%.

https://careeradvancement.uchicago.edu/uchicago-careers-in/health-professions/pre-health-faqs

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Anonymous wrote:Chicago if your kid is an intellectual who enjoys hanging around super smart kids and discussing a wide range of topics. Also id he or she intends to go to graduate or medical or law school. If your kid is smart, outgoing, hangs out with kids who enjoy social
Activities. UVA is a better choice.

Do many Chicago kids feed into US medical and t14 law schools? Both require top gpa, which is near impossible at UC. Bottom 50% at UC are smart as hell but have low gpas compared to the 3.8 3.9 4.0 kids at Ivies LACs and public Us.

Someone posted above the medical school acceptance rate of approximately 80% for UChicago, consistent with other top schools in the country including top LAC's. The average medical acceptance rate hovers around 40%.

Who do they consider premed? Is there an application to be in the track? GPA requirement? Do they advice people "out" of it if they don't think the application will be successful?

You can't trust stats like that without context.