Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:44     Subject: Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:We are all going to die anyway so stop yapping who is better or not. You all are gonna be sitting in a wet, poopy diaper eating mashed food somewhere your precious snowflakes will send you to. At the end of the day, no one is going to care of you were WOHM or SAHM or not. Good luck everyone.


Man, ain't this the truth. The older I get, the more true this is. Both of my parents worked and had great careers, they're retired in their 70s now, and we don't sit around discussing their careers or their career accomplishments. They like to tell the same old stories about some embarrassing shit I said as a kid, some embarrassing shit I did as a kid, how cute I was as a kid, etc, etc.

Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:43     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read this whole thread, so likely someone has already pointed this out, but being a sahm does not mean that is the only thing you ever did. I'm a former scientist turned sahm. My kids love hearing about the research that I used to do, and I am instilling a love of science in both my son and my daughter. I doubt my daughter would list becoming an astronaut as one of her aspirations if she was hanging out with a nanny after school instead of watching NASA videos of the ISS with me. I actually worked part time until my second child was born, and frankly, because I made it a point to always work around my first child's schedule, he didn't even notice that I was working. So, if you think that the only example of women having choices is by taking time away from your kids, you're wrong. Kudos to those who have flexible jobs that allow them to be there for their kids when needed, without a whole lot of stress on the entire family. For many of us, that is not realistic. My staying home benefits my entire family by allowing us to always make whatever choice is best for the kids (such as keeping them at home when they are even slightly sick and not worrying about summer plans) without the stress of dealing with an employer's expectations. With my particular career, that flexibility would not have been possible if I continued to woh. My former professsional interests have a greater influence on my kids' interests than my husband's current career because I get to spend more time with our kids than he does. So, if anything, by staying home, I am actually guiding my daughter toward interests in stem to a greater extent than if I was still woh.


so your daughter is more likely to become a scientist because you used to be a scientist but now SAH, as opposed to if you were still a working scientist? Riiiiiight.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:42     Subject: Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought feminism was freeng women from societal norms so they could chose who they wanted to be and not be forced by society into pre-conceived roles? So who gets to choose for the individual woman - the woman or society? Is society now choosing that women must WOH or be thought less than those who do? Just like years ago women who WOH were thought to be less than those who SAH? I thought feminism meant women got to choose for themselves. Now other women are choosing for them?


You're being purposely disingenuous


No, I am not. If feminism was about women seizing control of their own destiny and choosing what they want for their own lives rather than being forced into a role or denied opportunities available to men, then why is the choice to SAH denied to them (or at least undervalued) by other women?


Feminism is about having the same work opportunities as men.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:40     Subject: Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have any of you heard of a third wave feminist? Well, I consider myself a fourth wave feminist. I do what I want, how I want to do it. I am equal in mental capacity to any equivalently educated male and physically dominate over a good percentage of them. If I want to work, I work. If I want to stay home and eat meat that my man makes me, I do that. I will either homeschool my kids with organic handmade toys or ship them off to Phillips Andover at 13. I don't follow the rule of some woman who spent 20 years earning the approval of her teachers and now can't function outside of an accomplishment based system. I am going to take my masters degree and troll Harris teeter in lululemon all f-ing day. My life. My choice. Period. [/quot

+1 million!

But, it's not about that. As much as you'd like it to be. It's about the money. If women were paid to stay home like they are paid to do any other job, there would be no discussion. You can't have lululemon unless someone paid for it. If it wasn't you, then you are dependent on a man. That's not feminist.


That's right. And in my household, I am the one who tells my husband what we can afford, because even though he makes half our money, he has no idea how to invest. Money is king baby; kids are little for such a short while, don't blow your earning power by SAH for the 0 to 5 years time period.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:36     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm proud to have taught her both, by having a rewarding career before SAH.


And yes, if any of my children makes the choice to care for their own offspring I will support them 100%.


WOHPs do care for their own offspring, nitwit.


Maybe after their 8-10 hour workday/commute. Who's with them while you're not there?


Most kids are in school. Do you homeschool your children?
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:32     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm proud to have taught her both, by having a rewarding career before SAH.


And yes, if any of my children makes the choice to care for their own offspring I will support them 100%.


WOHPs do care for their own offspring, nitwit.


Maybe after their 8-10 hour workday/commute. Who's with them while you're not there?
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:32     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm proud to have taught her both, by having a rewarding career before SAH.


And yes, if any of my children makes the choice to care for their own offspring I will support them 100%.


WOHPs do care for their own offspring, nitwit.


Of course they do. OP clarified this already.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:31     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:Women resent SAHP because of the way they feel about themselves. If they are OH working Moms, they feel stressed and guilty about daycare or time with kids. OH working Moms are doing this BS to themselves and projecting the blame on SAHP. I am a working Mom too.

There are three ways you can handle career/parenting:

1. Have your big dream career in your twenties and thirties, invest your $, have kids and be a SAHP later in life.

2. Have your kids in your twenties and thirties, then have a dream career later in life.

3. Have your big dream career and kids at the same time

IMHO, #1 is the way to go if you can pull it off. #2 is the next best. #3 is what most of us do, and we are very busy, very stressed and honestly most days either the job or the family are not getting optimum attention. Just keeping it real.


I have sort of #3; my career isn't "big," but it's mine and I am very proud to say I have been a full time, OH, working mom for 17 years. It does take a true partner, and a flexible workplace, and easy to raise kids. Lots of luck involved, but I am so glad I didn't give up my career in my early parenting years. The years when the kids are around a lot are very few compared to the 18 you have them at home.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:28     Subject: Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a DMV thing- hating on SAHMs. Thank goodness I moved away. All of you trying to justify to each other why you do what you do is really pathetic. All of you who has "exceptional careers" who I envy the lifestyle of sitting in I-66 or 495 traffic so you could contribute to your mortgage and whose idea of weekend fun is to eat at the food court. Misery loves company.


Dying to know what you do for weekend fun. Camping? Driving your RV around?
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:25     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:I'm proud to have taught her both, by having a rewarding career before SAH.


And yes, if any of my children makes the choice to care for their own offspring I will support them 100%.


WOHPs do care for their own offspring, nitwit.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:24     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:I'm cracking up. If I didn't think SAH was easier than working full time and parenting, I'd go get a job!!! I don't want two jobs though.

I mean, I know a few of people said that even if they had money or were married to a high earner they would not SAH..........but a ton of people admitted that they would. If you like taking the hardest path, good for you, but I like the path that was best for our individual family.


It was hard when the kids were younger to WOH FT and parent, but now that all my kids are in high school or older, I would not want to have given up my job. I don't have any hobbies I like well enough to do 45 hours a week. I am high energy and high drive in terms of concrete, measurable accomplishments.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:20     Subject: Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think there is some jealous there. In the DC area, one partner has to be making a lot of money to enable the other to stay home and still maintain a nice lifestyle (nice house in a close in nabe, vacations, nice cars, pricey extracurricular activities for the kiddos, maybe private school, etc.)

To have an UMC lifestyle with a SAHP, the breadwinner has to be making 300-400k +.


On my end its less jealous and more...disbelief. I was raised to be independent and to own my own financials. When I went into my marriage I was comfortably set in a career and had two properties free-and-clear. That only helped when we made future decisions together to buy our 'dream' home. It boggles my mind that some women will rely solely on another person's generosity to live their life.

It disturbs me even further when these same women, some of them friends, were die-hard Hillary fans and very much into telling their daughters that 'this will be the first woman president, someone to look up to, someone to emulate' and yet the closest rolemodel to those daughters completely opted out of a career. How can you tell your children to aspire to be the head of NASA or a president or a multi-millionaire CEO, but you didn't bother to do anything yourself?[/quote]

Wow! So much wrong with this statement. You don't think raising the next generation is "worth something?" Whether or not you admit it raising children be it nanny or SAHP is work. I often hear famous people say the greatest thing they have ever done is " raise a decent human being"?

Also, there is nothing hypocritical about telling their daughters to admire Hillary Clinton as a role model and yet not running for office themselves. You can say this about any career really. Your child is an artist and you have "no talent" why wouldn't you be able to cheer them on to be an artist? Or if you are terrible at math why wouldn't you encourage them to study harder at it so they can go into STEM fields?



You can raise kids without SAH.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:18     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every mom (and dads too) I know is seeking some sort of balance. Those that are SAH struggle to maintain their sense of identity and not lose their minds day after day dealing with toddlers and babies (I don't know about older kids SAHPs because I am in the young kid stage myself). Those that WOH are trying to find time to have quality time with their kids and have some semblance of personal life. I don't know anyone in real life that is resentful toward other people making different choices than they are - we all know there are a million different factors that go into what decisions women make. If they are married or not, what job their spouse has and how much the spouse makes, how many kids they have, what their kids' individual needs are, how much money they make if they're working, how much day care/nannies cost, ability to work part-time or not, future career aspirations, health care options, plus individual temperament and sense of purpose and interests.


+1 I've been SAH, WAH PT, WOH PT, and now WOH FT. DH used to WOH FT but now mostly WAH FT. Different solutions have worked at different times. There is no one size fits all. Parents are different, kids are different, work situations, support, financials, health, etc. all differ between families and within a particular family over time. It's ridiculous to judge that there is one "best" way to do it. We're all just doing our best.

I'll admit I did used to think it was a poor choice to be a SAH parent with kids in ES and above. Mainly because my mom did that until my siblings and I were in HS and she was depressed and lonely. But other SAH moms aren't her and have different needs, family requirements, temperaments, social outlets, etc. I have a number of SAH parent friends now with kids in ES-HS. Generally, they have continued to SAH because they are dealing with some combination of child health issues, aging parent caregiving issues, a working spouse who works long/inflexible hours and/or lots of travel, desire to support an intense level of extracurriculars for their children, inability to find a job that fits their qualifications and they feel is worth it financially vs. the aspects of their SAH life they would have to give up/pay someone else to do, or they just don't need the money and enjoy their life the way it is (just as 'valid" a reason as any other!). I figure everyone is making the best choices for them in their particular situation and if it doesn't affect me, it's none of my business!


The SAHMs I know like a much slower pace of life and don't like to multitask. Either their husbands make a lot of money, or their husbands are very unhelpful with the domestic side of family life, so the wife says forget it. One thing that surprised me from a woman who's been SAH for 15 years is that she had no idea college cost so much. I was tempted to say to her, "Why do you think many couples both WOH?" She was seriously shocked that even public schools in VA run 20 to 30K a year. That doesn't bode well for her continued decision to SAH.
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:11     Subject: Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think there is some jealous there. In the DC area, one partner has to be making a lot of money to enable the other to stay home and still maintain a nice lifestyle (nice house in a close in nabe, vacations, nice cars, pricey extracurricular activities for the kiddos, maybe private school, etc.)

To have an UMC lifestyle with a SAHP, the breadwinner has to be making 300-400k +.


On my end its less jealous and more...disbelief. I was raised to be independent and to own my own financials. When I went into my marriage I was comfortably set in a career and had two properties free-and-clear. That only helped when we made future decisions together to buy our 'dream' home. It boggles my mind that some women will rely solely on another person's generosity to live their life.

It disturbs me even further when these same women, some of them friends, were die-hard Hillary fans and very much into telling their daughters that 'this will be the first woman president, someone to look up to, someone to emulate' and yet the closest rolemodel to those daughters completely opted out of a career. How can you tell your children to aspire to be the head of NASA or a president or a multi-millionaire CEO, but you didn't bother to do anything yourself?


Not relying on someone's generosity. I, along with my husband, decided together how to structure our lives. If you can't trust your spouse, you need to reevaluate your relationship.

NP she never needed to trust anybody , unlike you she had her shit together with or without a husband . Try some reading comprehension , you might like it .


You should take your own advice!!


Says the woman whose vagina is her meal ticket . Hopefully that husband , I mean ATM of yours doesn't trade you for a younger model once your SAHM gig is up. Unlike you, I happen to have handled mine without having to use my vagina as a bargaining chip . It's always interesting and amusing when I have to interview women like you .



And there it is! SAHM are prostitutes. I guess since I have (and had, when we met) way more money than my husband he's just living with his dick as his meal ticket, too.

I wonder if he hopes that I don't trade him in for a younger model?
Anonymous
Post 02/21/2017 09:08     Subject: Re:Why are so many women here so angry with / resentful toward women who stay home?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel a lot of ambivalence towards SAH moms, because it's always SAH moms and not SAH parents. It's totally fine if one parent wants to step back from their career and focus on the family (and is often very good for the family!), but there is still a lot of social pressure for women to step into that role that men to not receive. When I got married in my mid 20s, I heard questions about whether I was going to step back when we had kids, whether I was going to take a lower prestige/lower pressure job so my husband could focus on his career and I could the raise kids, etc. Why didn't anyone ask my husband whether he was going to step back his career ambitions to start a family years before kids were even in the picture?

Until it's seen as an equally acceptable/normal path for men (and men decide to SAH in equal numbers), it will always be a choice that is colored by gender politics. Even if it's the best choice for your family, it still is a choice that was influenced by societal norms that women have been trying to crack for decades.


And you think anything else isn't? Come on. You sound really naive here. We are all historical actors. No one is operating completely free of our time period's mores and values.


And yet plenty of people choose to. Even more elect to not regress back into the mores and values that our predecessors fought so hard to break us free of.


There are a lot of actions and customs that our predecessors participated in (the way they treated disabled family members, for example) that wouldn't work for me or my family now. Times change, expectations change, societal norms change, and we all adapt the best way can here in the PRESENT.