Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 13:35     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
I am getting really sad that it's almost over.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 13:07     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't understand the abuse dynamic with Celeste and Perry. How can the therapist be telling her to leave him and to prepare a way to get out when Celeste admits that she hits him too? Isn't that sexist of the therapist to assume Celeste is the only being abused when Celeste tells her it's mutual and often leads to sex? I'm so confused!


"I hit him too" is an excuse that domestic violence victims often offer up in defense of their abuser. What they are depicting is a scenario in which they fight off their abuser and defend themselves (like Celeste does), not a scenario in which they aggressively lash out, out of nowhere, and abuse their mates and inflict traumatic physical pain.

Women who are physically abused come up with all kinds of excuses why they are to blame (or are somehow equally responsible) for their state of physical abuse.

-- I hit him too
-- I provoke him
-- I'm dishonest
-- I talked to another man/flirted/look at another man
-- I don't do what he asks
-- The home is messy (like Celeste not picking up the toys)
-- I don't have sex enough, or the right way

None of this matters. None of it excuses abuse.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 13:04     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another incredible therapy session for Celeste.
Just Give Nicole Kidman Her Emmy Now
http://www.tvguide.com/news/big-little-lies-nicole-kidman-emmy/?ftag=twtrsoshares


Psychiatrist here. The therapist scenes are textbook perfect of an abusive relationship. Kidman is spot on.


Kidman is spot on. I'm in a similar relationship. Not physical abuse just emotional but I see and hear myself in her.

Spot on. And the therapist pushes and probes in just the right ways. Kidman is outstanding as Celeste.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 13:02     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Notice how the therapist draws out that Celeste is all bruised up (admittedly outside of rough sex) and that Celeste has never left a mark on Perry (despite Celeste's repeated claims that the violence is "mutual").

The therapy sessions are so well done.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 12:57     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another incredible therapy session for Celeste.
Just Give Nicole Kidman Her Emmy Now
http://www.tvguide.com/news/big-little-lies-nicole-kidman-emmy/?ftag=twtrsoshares


Psychiatrist here. The therapist scenes are textbook perfect of an abusive relationship. Kidman is spot on.


Kidman is spot on. I'm in a similar relationship. Not physical abuse just emotional but I see and hear myself in her.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 12:37     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't understand the abuse dynamic with Celeste and Perry. How can the therapist be telling her to leave him and to prepare a way to get out when Celeste admits that she hits him too? Isn't that sexist of the therapist to assume Celeste is the only being abused when Celeste tells her it's mutual and often leads to sex? I'm so confused!


Because the therapist can see right through Celeste big little lie. Celeste is trying to rationalize Perry's behavior to him and argue her way out of, as I am sure she has argued with herself about the abuse. Celeste is a smart accomplished lawyer. She knows that she is a domestic victim, but she is being terrorized and controlled by him. Just rewatch the Lego scene and then the flashback where he beats her up because she didn't pick up the Legos and flashed back to a time he almost strangled or suffocated her.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 12:18     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't understand the abuse dynamic with Celeste and Perry. How can the therapist be telling her to leave him and to prepare a way to get out when Celeste admits that she hits him too? Isn't that sexist of the therapist to assume Celeste is the only being abused when Celeste tells her it's mutual and often leads to sex? I'm so confused!


Perry always initiates the violence. Plus men are just stronger and more capable of "accidentally" killing a woman in the heat of the moment. So Celeste is definitely more at-risk than Perry.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 12:11     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
I honestly don't understand the abuse dynamic with Celeste and Perry. How can the therapist be telling her to leave him and to prepare a way to get out when Celeste admits that she hits him too? Isn't that sexist of the therapist to assume Celeste is the only being abused when Celeste tells her it's mutual and often leads to sex? I'm so confused!
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 11:41     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another incredible therapy session for Celeste.
Just Give Nicole Kidman Her Emmy Now
http://www.tvguide.com/news/big-little-lies-nicole-kidman-emmy/?ftag=twtrsoshares


Psychiatrist here. The therapist scenes are textbook perfect of an abusive relationship. Kidman is spot on.


Thank you for the professional insight. I couldn't believe she went to the airport to pick him up, it was as though she is more committed to him after discussing it with the therapist.



Yeah, it was jarring, especially with Celeste's flashbacks to abuse during therapy. At first I thought she was taking the children and leaving the country-- the camera showed the Departures sign-- but that wouldn't make sense given the murder investigation/interviews. The actress who is playing the therapist is doing a superb job, as well.


I had an 'oh--wow--she's getting out moment' right then too.

Then-- I realized guilt and shame made her go to the airport. BUT also TERROR--she knows if Perry finds out she told the therapist that she's dead. She's probably also afraid of losing everything and having everyone find out her secret.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 11:32     Subject: Big Little Lies HBO
I just read an interview (on Vulture) where LD says she mispronounces Madeline to irritate Reese. LD is fantastic. I love watching her act, as much as her character irritates me. I think we've all been that woman.

Can we talk about Jane putting the gun under her pillow while sleeping next to Ziggy? WTF. And in the same episode, didn't Madeline compliment Jane on her parenting? This has got to be significant as the therapist/teacher/principal keep asking her about Ziggy's background/home life--whether there is anything significant/
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 11:12     Subject: Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just watched Episode 4. omg OMG!!! This show gets better and better. And it was great to start with!

Can we discuss Annabella for a moment? It's obvious to me that poor Ziggy has nothing to do with what's going on with her, right? For a moment I wondered if she was maybe doing it to herself but then realized that was highly unlikely especially given the bite mark on her shoulder which was revealed in the previews for next week.


That reminds me, Laura Dern is another one who does such a great job with her character. All the seething that goes on just under the surface seems genuine in a almost creepy way. And their crazy, modern museum-looking house is so perfect.


+1
Laura Dern is a fabulous actress. Did anyone see "Enlightenment"? I think it was only out for one, maybe two seasons, and then cancelled. She played the most annoying character, but she played it perfectly. Girl can act.


LOVED her in Enlightenment and LOVE her in BLL. I miss that show! (I also couldn't get over Molly Shannon's acting in Enlightenment. That show didn't get enough credit.) I like how Renatta's the only character who pronounces Madeline's name with a long I and she does it every time.

Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 10:59     Subject: Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I absolutely can't stand Celeste's husband, Perry - and I felt this way before he was shown being physically violent with her. There is something so revolting about him, the way he pouts when she tells him she's doing something (like taking the kids to Frozen on Ice, or when the first day of school didn't include going in to meet the teacher). He is one controlling SOB. Even when Celeste was asking her therapist for help in telling Perry that she wanted to go back to work, I couldn't believe she didn't hear her own words. She was saying that Perry limits her friends, doesn't like her to leave the house, is very possessive, etc. etc. Classic traits of an abuser, and yet - this very intelligent woman doesn't want to acknowledge it? Is it that she actually does enjoy on some level the abuse? It honestly gives me the creeps to see those two together.

The scene where she tells him she has to meet with the client again, and he grabs her hair right before one of the kids comes in, was chilling. She just pretended nothing at all happened. What is wrong with Celeste???


Totally agree. However, I do think she could have mentioned the first day of school would be a non-event when she found out he cancelled work plans for first day.


PP here, and this is true. I wonder if subconsciously, she's being passive aggressive in the hopes that Perry will react by hurting her? She seems to enjoy that a lot, even though she's ashamed to admit it.


His not knowing about the first day vs. orientation day struck me, too, and I wondered if it was Celeste purposely not telling him. But, I think he also surprised her by coming to the first day, when he was supposed to leave for a trip that day. So, I don't think they had an actual conversation about it - he showed up and surprised her and she just played happy to have him there. Did she know it would end in a fight and she was delaying the fight by not telling him it was no big deal or was she looking forward to his realization/disappointment/tantrum? I think that's part of their dynamic. Easier for her to not mention things that could erupt into a fight, but also a little bit passive aggressive on her part.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 09:39     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another incredible therapy session for Celeste.
Just Give Nicole Kidman Her Emmy Now
http://www.tvguide.com/news/big-little-lies-nicole-kidman-emmy/?ftag=twtrsoshares


Psychiatrist here. The therapist scenes are textbook perfect of an abusive relationship. Kidman is spot on.


Thank you for the professional insight. I couldn't believe she went to the airport to pick him up, it was as though she is more committed to him after discussing it with the therapist.



Yeah, it was jarring, especially with Celeste's flashbacks to abuse during therapy. At first I thought she was taking the children and leaving the country-- the camera showed the Departures sign-- but that wouldn't make sense given the murder investigation/interviews. The actress who is playing the therapist is doing a superb job, as well.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 09:24     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another incredible therapy session for Celeste.
Just Give Nicole Kidman Her Emmy Now
http://www.tvguide.com/news/big-little-lies-nicole-kidman-emmy/?ftag=twtrsoshares


Just give Nicole Kidman her Emmy now.

Let's get back on track.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2017 09:23     Subject: Re:Big Little Lies HBO
Anonymous wrote:Loving it but two things:

1) Amabella is the dumbest name

2) If this is a public school there should be no parent transportation but buses. Yes, I know transplanted from Australia but still doesn't ring true.

This thread would be so great if we could delete this ridiculous comment and all the comments commenting on this ridiculous comment. Or make another spin off thread or three.