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Anonymous wrote:I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

This has been covered in the thread. Hillary played a very active role in getting welfare reform passed. I am not holding her responsible for her husband. I am holding her responsible for herself.

Your sole definition of feminist is welfare.

Read the thread.

I have. You keep keep banging one drum the loudest, and that is that you think welfare reform was an anti-feminist act of such magnitude that it completely undermines all the other work (voluminously cited by PPs) that Hillary has done for women. So you can perhaps understand how you come across as defining feminism solely in relation to welfare.

I think that welfare reform was the Clintons most specific blow to women but they have done much harm to the working class as well and if you research the impact of global trade agreements on third world women it is pretty distressing. It's a complicated matter because the Clintons have consistently been on the side of corporations and the super wealthy. Sure, you can say that HRC supports reproductive freedom and some other interests specific to women but so does Bernie Sanders and he does so while looking out for the economic interests of the American people. The Clintons are not looking out for the economic interests of those less fortunate.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

This has been covered in the thread. Hillary played a very active role in getting welfare reform passed. I am not holding her responsible for her husband. I am holding her responsible for herself.

Your sole definition of feminist is welfare.

Read the thread.

I have. You keep keep banging one drum the loudest, and that is that you think welfare reform was an anti-feminist act of such magnitude that it completely undermines all the other work (voluminously cited by PPs) that Hillary has done for women. So you can perhaps understand how you come across as defining feminism solely in relation to welfare.

PP, you forgot to mention trade deals...that's another important feminist issue that Clinton got wrong, negating anything she's ever done to advocate specifically for women's rights, even while visiting some of the most anti-woman regimes in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

This has been covered in the thread. Hillary played a very active role in getting welfare reform passed. I am not holding her responsible for her husband. I am holding her responsible for herself.

Your sole definition of feminist is welfare.

Read the thread.

I have. You keep keep banging one drum the loudest, and that is that you think welfare reform was an anti-feminist act of such magnitude that it completely undermines all the other work (voluminously cited by PPs) that Hillary has done for women. So you can perhaps understand how you come across as defining feminism solely in relation to welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

This has been covered in the thread. Hillary played a very active role in getting welfare reform passed. I am not holding her responsible for her husband. I am holding her responsible for herself.

Nope, it's been covered by you. It's OK. We are never going to agree.

I'm still interested to know what kind of federal job you got with a women studies degree. Did you go to law school after, or grad school in a different field? You are clearly much younger; do you find that it women studies degree is more widely accepted as an employment credential now?

How young can I be if I was an undergrad when Bill Clinton was president? I am sorry I can't answer the other questions here but I am not a fed.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

This has been covered in the thread. Hillary played a very active role in getting welfare reform passed. I am not holding her responsible for her husband. I am holding her responsible for herself.

Your sole definition of feminist is welfare.

Read the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

This has been covered in the thread. Hillary played a very active role in getting welfare reform passed. I am not holding her responsible for her husband. I am holding her responsible for herself.

Your sole definition of feminist is welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

This has been covered in the thread. Hillary played a very active role in getting welfare reform passed. I am not holding her responsible for her husband. I am holding her responsible for herself.

Nope, it's been covered by you. It's OK. We are never going to agree.

I'm still interested to know what kind of federal job you got with a women studies degree. Did you go to law school after, or grad school in a different field? You are clearly much younger; do you find that it women studies degree is more widely accepted as an employment credential now?

Anonymous wrote:I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

This has been covered in the thread. Hillary played a very active role in getting welfare reform passed. I am not holding her responsible for her husband. I am holding her responsible for herself.

I would love an example that doesn't hold Hillary Clinton responsible for her husband, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been critical of the Clintons for many years. My criticism of Hillary Clinton began as a women's studies undergrad when Bill Clinton was president. So no, this is not about Sanders though I am heartened that such an ethical candidate has come this far. I confess to being quite stubborn but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. You start this thread as a pro-Sanders thread, but it's really just a Hillary Clinton hack-job. Fine, you've decided you hate her, and so nothing she does will ever be good enough for you. You're too biased to have a serious conversation. You've prejudged her on every issue.

I don't hate her. I am critical of her political career and I do view Sanders as the real feminist in the race.

Great, so tell us what Bernie has actually done to make you consider him more of a feminist than Hillary. Just one thing would do.

He has voted consistently in the best interests of women and vehemently opposed Clinton policy and other policy which was severely damaging to poor and working class women and children.

In other words, he voted the same way as Clinton, when she had a vote, and mainstream Democrats.

Tell us what he did that sets him apart. He says the biggest voting block in the country is working-class whites, and I think he believes that and it makes him an advocate for working-class whites, but I see nothing that makes him a superfeminist.

My post which you quoted above indicates one of the things that sets him apart from Clinton. He vehemently opposed policy which Clinton supported and which damaged poor and working class women and children. African American and other non-white women were also disproportionately affected by those policies. Here is a video which shows Marian Wright Edelman and others talking about the effects of welfare reform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRngzXr0UPk

If you are interested in what Sanders did to oppose welfare reform here is a video of him in the '90's talking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUSuqrmOUFw&ebc=ANyPxKqHWXTIh3PBfpGA_dUyJtXu63zJb7ZXapQwJYYc-eesU9a68EFWKF9zdqPvhIuUl9kuy56Y-vSYzPL_jiKO6JQq8zEB2g

You are undoubtedly not interested in the back story of all that, or how Hillary pushed Bill to do things differently there. So why doesn't Edelman support Bernie, then?

This is your evidence that Bernie is more of a feminist?

I was asked for one thing... So yes, this is one thing that sets him apart from Clinton as a politician who has worked for the interests of poor women. Now will you ask me for ten more things? The goading is getting ridiculous...

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Anonymous wrote:I have been critical of the Clintons for many years. My criticism of Hillary Clinton began as a women's studies undergrad when Bill Clinton was president. So no, this is not about Sanders though I am heartened that such an ethical candidate has come this far. I confess to being quite stubborn but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. You start this thread as a pro-Sanders thread, but it's really just a Hillary Clinton hack-job. Fine, you've decided you hate her, and so nothing she does will ever be good enough for you. You're too biased to have a serious conversation. You've prejudged her on every issue.

I don't hate her. I am critical of her political career and I do view Sanders as the real feminist in the race.

Great, so tell us what Bernie has actually done to make you consider him more of a feminist than Hillary. Just one thing would do.

He has voted consistently in the best interests of women and vehemently opposed Clinton policy and other policy which was severely damaging to poor and working class women and children.

In other words, he voted the same way as Clinton, when she had a vote, and mainstream Democrats.

Tell us what he did that sets him apart. He says the biggest voting block in the country is working-class whites, and I think he believes that and it makes him an advocate for working-class whites, but I see nothing that makes him a superfeminist.

My post which you quoted above indicates one of the things that sets him apart from Clinton. He vehemently opposed policy which Clinton supported and which damaged poor and working class women and children. African American and other non-white women were also disproportionately affected by those policies. Here is a video which shows Marian Wright Edelman and others talking about the effects of welfare reform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRngzXr0UPk

If you are interested in what Sanders did to oppose welfare reform here is a video of him in the '90's talking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUSuqrmOUFw&ebc=ANyPxKqHWXTIh3PBfpGA_dUyJtXu63zJb7ZXapQwJYYc-eesU9a68EFWKF9zdqPvhIuUl9kuy56Y-vSYzPL_jiKO6JQq8zEB2g

Yes, YouTube is certainly proof of efficient policy making on women's rights. We need to make sure women watch this as they get shot by domestic partners

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Anonymous wrote:I have been critical of the Clintons for many years. My criticism of Hillary Clinton began as a women's studies undergrad when Bill Clinton was president. So no, this is not about Sanders though I am heartened that such an ethical candidate has come this far. I confess to being quite stubborn but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. You start this thread as a pro-Sanders thread, but it's really just a Hillary Clinton hack-job. Fine, you've decided you hate her, and so nothing she does will ever be good enough for you. You're too biased to have a serious conversation. You've prejudged her on every issue.

I don't hate her. I am critical of her political career and I do view Sanders as the real feminist in the race.

Great, so tell us what Bernie has actually done to make you consider him more of a feminist than Hillary. Just one thing would do.

He has voted consistently in the best interests of women and vehemently opposed Clinton policy and other policy which was severely damaging to poor and working class women and children.

In other words, he voted the same way as Clinton, when she had a vote, and mainstream Democrats.

Tell us what he did that sets him apart. He says the biggest voting block in the country is working-class whites, and I think he believes that and it makes him an advocate for working-class whites, but I see nothing that makes him a superfeminist.

My post which you quoted above indicates one of the things that sets him apart from Clinton. He vehemently opposed policy which Clinton supported and which damaged poor and working class women and children. African American and other non-white women were also disproportionately affected by those policies. Here is a video which shows Marian Wright Edelman and others talking about the effects of welfare reform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRngzXr0UPk

If you are interested in what Sanders did to oppose welfare reform here is a video of him in the '90's talking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUSuqrmOUFw&ebc=ANyPxKqHWXTIh3PBfpGA_dUyJtXu63zJb7ZXapQwJYYc-eesU9a68EFWKF9zdqPvhIuUl9kuy56Y-vSYzPL_jiKO6JQq8zEB2g

You are undoubtedly not interested in the back story of all that, or how Hillary pushed Bill to do things differently there. So why doesn't Edelman support Bernie, then?

This is your evidence that Bernie is more of a feminist?

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Anonymous wrote:I have been critical of the Clintons for many years. My criticism of Hillary Clinton began as a women's studies undergrad when Bill Clinton was president. So no, this is not about Sanders though I am heartened that such an ethical candidate has come this far. I confess to being quite stubborn but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. You start this thread as a pro-Sanders thread, but it's really just a Hillary Clinton hack-job. Fine, you've decided you hate her, and so nothing she does will ever be good enough for you. You're too biased to have a serious conversation. You've prejudged her on every issue.

I don't hate her. I am critical of her political career and I do view Sanders as the real feminist in the race.

Great, so tell us what Bernie has actually done to make you consider him more of a feminist than Hillary. Just one thing would do.

He has voted consistently in the best interests of women and vehemently opposed Clinton policy and other policy which was severely damaging to poor and working class women and children.

In other words, he voted the same way as Clinton, when she had a vote, and mainstream Democrats.

Tell us what he did that sets him apart. He says the biggest voting block in the country is working-class whites, and I think he believes that and it makes him an advocate for working-class whites, but I see nothing that makes him a superfeminist.

My post which you quoted above indicates one of the things that sets him apart from Clinton. He vehemently opposed policy which Clinton supported and which damaged poor and working class women and children. African American and other non-white women were also disproportionately affected by those policies. Here is a video which shows Marian Wright Edelman and others talking about the effects of welfare reform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRngzXr0UPk

If you are interested in what Sanders did to oppose welfare reform here is a video of him in the '90's talking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUSuqrmOUFw&ebc=ANyPxKqHWXTIh3PBfpGA_dUyJtXu63zJb7ZXapQwJYYc-eesU9a68EFWKF9zdqPvhIuUl9kuy56Y-vSYzPL_jiKO6JQq8zEB2g

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Anonymous wrote:I have been critical of the Clintons for many years. My criticism of Hillary Clinton began as a women's studies undergrad when Bill Clinton was president. So no, this is not about Sanders though I am heartened that such an ethical candidate has come this far. I confess to being quite stubborn but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. You start this thread as a pro-Sanders thread, but it's really just a Hillary Clinton hack-job. Fine, you've decided you hate her, and so nothing she does will ever be good enough for you. You're too biased to have a serious conversation. You've prejudged her on every issue.

I don't hate her. I am critical of her political career and I do view Sanders as the real feminist in the race.

Great, so tell us what Bernie has actually done to make you consider him more of a feminist than Hillary. Just one thing would do.

He has voted consistently in the best interests of women and vehemently opposed Clinton policy and other policy which was severely damaging to poor and working class women and children.

In other words, he voted the same way as Clinton, when she had a vote, and mainstream Democrats.

Tell us what he did that sets him apart. He says the biggest voting block in the country is working-class whites, and I think he believes that and it makes him an advocate for working-class whites, but I see nothing that makes him a superfeminist.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been critical of the Clintons for many years. My criticism of Hillary Clinton began as a women's studies undergrad when Bill Clinton was president. So no, this is not about Sanders though I am heartened that such an ethical candidate has come this far. I confess to being quite stubborn but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. You start this thread as a pro-Sanders thread, but it's really just a Hillary Clinton hack-job. Fine, you've decided you hate her, and so nothing she does will ever be good enough for you. You're too biased to have a serious conversation. You've prejudged her on every issue.

I don't hate her. I am critical of her political career and I do view Sanders as the real feminist in the race.

Great, so tell us what Bernie has actually done to make you consider him more of a feminist than Hillary. Just one thing would do.

He has voted consistently in the best interests of women and vehemently opposed Clinton policy and other policy which was severely damaging to poor and working class women and children.