The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

Nope. It won't result in 40 families moving in and out a month. Honestly, it's rather ambitious that they anticipate a two month turnover rate. Unless they have a secret stash of vouchers or RRH subsidies, I'm not sure how they will be able to move people that fast.

You do realize that people move in and out of that neighborhood regularly, right? Rentals turn over, people divorce, people die.

These families will move into the new shelter with the clothes on their backs and a suitcase or two. When they move in and out, you won't notice.

I'm sure your biggest concern is the impact on school. You need not worry. Most parents will opt to keep their kids in their current school. And those who do opt to enroll in your yuppie school just might opt to stay in that school once they are permanently housed elsewhere. So what's the issue?

You really aren't familiar with this neighborhood. There are less than five rentals, can't remember the last divorce, and most folks pass after they have downsized and sold to a young family. There are lots of nicknames for Stoddert but yuppie school is not one.

You are really blind to the world around you. Signed,

Your Glover Park Neighbor

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Glover Park, about 5 blocks from the proposed site. On our neighborhood listserv, there have been about a dozen posts supporting the shelter, and ZERO posts in opposition. I can't vouch for the opinions of people in the Observatory Circle neighborhood, but Glover Parkers generally seem accepting of this decision and ready to help. I'm sure there will be some concerns about effects on Stoddert, which is already overcrowded (despite the recent expansion), but overall I think our community can take this in stride.

It's a lot easier to be supportive when you're over five blocks away and separated by 4 lanes of a major thoroughfare. I promise you those within a city block will have a much harder time. And frankly, it's not just because it's homeless shelter, but also increased density than that parcel would otherwise allow. This is one way that allows the developer who purchased it build apartments that he can lease back to the city.

Hadn't though of that. Who is the developer and is he among Bowser's crony political supporters?

Who owns the Observatory Circle proposed shelter site? The DC Government or a private developer? If the latter, what are the terms? A proposed build to lease for a fixed term and then the developer gets to renovate to dense market rate housing? There may be more going no on here than meets the eye.

It's a win-win. The real prize is handing the DC General (Reservation 13) site to developers.

Ah. Knowing the Bowser's political cronyism network, this may be the real impetus.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

Nope. It won't result in 40 families moving in and out a month. Honestly, it's rather ambitious that they anticipate a two month turnover rate. Unless they have a secret stash of vouchers or RRH subsidies, I'm not sure how they will be able to move people that fast.

You do realize that people move in and out of that neighborhood regularly, right? Rentals turn over, people divorce, people die.

These families will move into the new shelter with the clothes on their backs and a suitcase or two. When they move in and out, you won't notice.

I'm sure your biggest concern is the impact on school. You need not worry. Most parents will opt to keep their kids in their current school. And those who do opt to enroll in your yuppie school just might opt to stay in that school once they are permanently housed elsewhere. So what's the issue?

40 + more kids to Wilson feeder pattern, which is already overcrowded. How does DCPS plan to deal (no pun intended) with that?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

Nope. It won't result in 40 families moving in and out a month. Honestly, it's rather ambitious that they anticipate a two month turnover rate. Unless they have a secret stash of vouchers or RRH subsidies, I'm not sure how they will be able to move people that fast.

You do realize that people move in and out of that neighborhood regularly, right? Rentals turn over, people divorce, people die.

These families will move into the new shelter with the clothes on their backs and a suitcase or two. When they move in and out, you won't notice.

I'm sure your biggest concern is the impact on school. You need not worry. Most parents will opt to keep their kids in their current school. And those who do opt to enroll in your yuppie school just might opt to stay in that school once they are permanently housed elsewhere. So what's the issue?

Did they have a 2 month turnover rate at DC General? I seriously doubt it. So why would they expect anything different in these units?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

You must be joking. There are probably about 5,000 households within half a mile of this location. And you think that somehow 15 families moving in and out of apartments per month is going to be horrendously disruptive???

There may be some good arguments against this shelter on Wisconsin Ave. But this one - and the idea that a few dozen people added to a bus line that already serves thousands daily are red herrings.

Hmmm, you clearly DK this exact locale to make these kind of comments

I know it well, since I live right there and ride the bus line every day. i'm not a fan of the bus line - it is crowded and slow. But it carries thousands of people. Adding a few dozen more families along the line is not going to make a noticeable difference.

Def not 5000 HHs. I am not quibbling about the bus line.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

Nope. It won't result in 40 families moving in and out a month. Honestly, it's rather ambitious that they anticipate a two month turnover rate. Unless they have a secret stash of vouchers or RRH subsidies, I'm not sure how they will be able to move people that fast.

You do realize that people move in and out of that neighborhood regularly, right? Rentals turn over, people divorce, people die.

These families will move into the new shelter with the clothes on their backs and a suitcase or two. When they move in and out, you won't notice.

I'm sure your biggest concern is the impact on school. You need not worry. Most parents will opt to keep their kids in their current school. And those who do opt to enroll in your yuppie school just might opt to stay in that school once they are permanently housed elsewhere. So what's the issue?

You really aren't familiar with this neighborhood. There are less than five rentals, can't remember the last divorce, and most folks pass after they have downsized and sold to a young family. There are lots of nicknames for Stoddert but yuppie school is not one.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

You must be joking. There are probably about 5,000 households within half a mile of this location. And you think that somehow 15 families moving in and out of apartments per month is going to be horrendously disruptive???

There may be some good arguments against this shelter on Wisconsin Ave. But this one - and the idea that a few dozen people added to a bus line that already serves thousands daily are red herrings.

Hmmm, you clearly DK this exact locale to make these kind of comments

I know it well, since I live right there and ride the bus line every day. i'm not a fan of the bus line - it is crowded and slow. But it carries thousands of people. Adding a few dozen more families along the line is not going to make a noticeable difference.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

You must be joking. There are probably about 5,000 households within half a mile of this location. And you think that somehow 15 families moving in and out of apartments per month is going to be horrendously disruptive???

There may be some good arguments against this shelter on Wisconsin Ave. But this one - and the idea that a few dozen people added to a bus line that already serves thousands daily are red herrings.

Hmmm, you clearly DK this exact locale to make these kind of comments

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Anonymous wrote:Where exactly are the homeless families taking the metro to? If needed, it is a five minute ride up the road to metro.

You're really this obtuse? Schools. Job interviews. Doctor or social worker appointments. Visiting friends or family members. Social Security. Shopping. Shall I continue?

Pretty sure the 30 bus runs both south and north. Tenleytown is a quick trip.

lol, you don't even know the route, but are still an expert

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

Nope. It won't result in 40 families moving in and out a month. Honestly, it's rather ambitious that they anticipate a two month turnover rate. Unless they have a secret stash of vouchers or RRH subsidies, I'm not sure how they will be able to move people that fast.

You do realize that people move in and out of that neighborhood regularly, right? Rentals turn over, people divorce, people die.

These families will move into the new shelter with the clothes on their backs and a suitcase or two. When they move in and out, you won't notice.

I'm sure your biggest concern is the impact on school. You need not worry. Most parents will opt to keep their kids in their current school. And those who do opt to enroll in your yuppie school just might opt to stay in that school once they are permanently housed elsewhere. So what's the issue?

40 new kids every two months would be a huge issue. However, the children will not be grandfathered in if they leave the neighborhood, according to what they said at the meeting. If they change this, this could be a huge issue adding 40-80 new kids every few months. Where do you live? You sound very supportive and open to the idea so why don't you offer to have the shelter in your neighborhood?

Don't assume every family has school aged kids...they don't. Many will only have an infant and/or toddler.

They won't all opt to attend your beloved school. Most parents will want their kids to stay in their current school with their friends to ensure stability. They will be provided with transportation services if they opt to stay in their school.

If they opt for the local school, they most certainly can opt to stay there. If the school tries to kick them out, there will be a lawsuit. Federal law provides for school choice for homeless students. Having said that, it all depends on their subsequent placement and whether they will still be considered homeless.

And yes, pp, I am quite supportive of housing homeless families...because I'm not an asshole. There's a low-income housing program less than a half-mile from my front door. My kid uses the bus stop in front of the program and (gasp) rides the bus to and from school with the kids who live there. And the program is much larger than 40 families. Guess what? Our school is a highly desirable, high performing school in MoCo.

Stop worrying, and try to be a kinder person. Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

Nope. It won't result in 40 families moving in and out a month. Honestly, it's rather ambitious that they anticipate a two month turnover rate. Unless they have a secret stash of vouchers or RRH subsidies, I'm not sure how they will be able to move people that fast.

You do realize that people move in and out of that neighborhood regularly, right? Rentals turn over, people divorce, people die.

These families will move into the new shelter with the clothes on their backs and a suitcase or two. When they move in and out, you won't notice.

I'm sure your biggest concern is the impact on school. You need not worry. Most parents will opt to keep their kids in their current school. And those who do opt to enroll in your yuppie school just might opt to stay in that school once they are permanently housed elsewhere. So what's the issue?

40 new kids every two months would be a huge issue. However, the children will not be grandfathered in if they leave the neighborhood, according to what they said at the meeting. If they change this, this could be a huge issue adding 40-80 new kids every few months. Where do you live? You sound very supportive and open to the idea so why don't you offer to have the shelter in your neighborhood?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see before and after statistics of the crime, school ratings and property values

The biggest concern is that these are short term which they said they should be coming in and out every 2-3 months, which means 40 families in and out of the neighborhood and in and out of the schools every 2-3 months? It sounds chaotic and for families that already live there and bought homes to be in a community of single family homes, having 40 families moving in and out every 2 months seems disruptive for the community and for the homeless families themselves.

Shelters are meant to be temporary. The goal is to house people permanently in a stable living situation, and the shelter is only meant to provide case managers time to help assess families and help them transition to something more permanent.

RE: schools - the law allows parents to choose the school placement: the school of origin or the neighborhood school. If the kid is thriving in one school, then the parents can opt to keep him there (and transportation must be provided).

Right but you must admit having 40 families moving in and out of a small neighborhood every 2-3 months will have an impact on the community?

Nope. It won't result in 40 families moving in and out a month. Honestly, it's rather ambitious that they anticipate a two month turnover rate. Unless they have a secret stash of vouchers or RRH subsidies, I'm not sure how they will be able to move people that fast.

You do realize that people move in and out of that neighborhood regularly, right? Rentals turn over, people divorce, people die.

These families will move into the new shelter with the clothes on their backs and a suitcase or two. When they move in and out, you won't notice.

I'm sure your biggest concern is the impact on school. You need not worry. Most parents will opt to keep their kids in their current school. And those who do opt to enroll in your yuppie school just might opt to stay in that school once they are permanently housed elsewhere. So what's the issue?

Maybe they can have hunger games between each ward