Anonymous
07/16/2014 09:43
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Spring Valley is in DC -- we were comparing it to the VA and MD suburbs, say Annandale or Silver Spring.
If you know where Stanton Park actually is, you would know that there is no public housing, few apartments and a lot of residents who make a lot of money, so the overall area is pretty darn wealthy.
Stanton Park is zoned for Peabody/Watkins, what does it have to do with LT?
D Street and north is L-T. Peabody would be better off with L-T.
Anonymous
07/16/2014 07:51
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The median income for Stanton Park in 2013 is $104,759 and the median home value is $808K. All that to say, we deserve to have a fine DCPS in our neighborhood.
Because rich people *deserve* better schools than poor people!
That's not what PP was saying. PP was replying to another poster blaming DCPS' poor schools compared to suburbs on lower salaries, and PP was pointing out that the salaries in Stanton Park were similar to suburban salaries.
Nope. She was quoted family income and housing value, to say that rich folks deserve better schools. It is so automatic with you all that you can't see/hear how absurd it sounds.
Pp here. I think that poster was saying that Stanton Park had similar statistics to some about Fairfax that 13:47 brought up, and so, socioeconomic status was not an excuse for poor performance, so they deserved to have a school just as good as Fairfax's.
Exactly.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 22:39
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The median income for Stanton Park in 2013 is $104,759 and the median home value is $808K. All that to say, we deserve to have a fine DCPS in our neighborhood.
Because rich people *deserve* better schools than poor people!
That's not what PP was saying. PP was replying to another poster blaming DCPS' poor schools compared to suburbs on lower salaries, and PP was pointing out that the salaries in Stanton Park were similar to suburban salaries.
Nope. She was quoted family income and housing value, to say that rich folks deserve better schools. It is so automatic with you all that you can't see/hear how absurd it sounds.
Pp here. I think that poster was saying that Stanton Park had similar statistics to some about Fairfax that 13:47 brought up, and so, socioeconomic status was not an excuse for poor performance, so they deserved to have a school just as good as Fairfax's.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 22:21
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The median income for Stanton Park in 2013 is $104,759 and the median home value is $808K. All that to say, we deserve to have a fine DCPS in our neighborhood.
Because rich people *deserve* better schools than poor people!
That's not what PP was saying. PP was replying to another poster blaming DCPS' poor schools compared to suburbs on lower salaries, and PP was pointing out that the salaries in Stanton Park were similar to suburban salaries.
Nope. She was quoted family income and housing value, to say that rich folks deserve better schools. It is so automatic with you all that you can't see/hear how absurd it sounds.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 21:43
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:Spring Valley is in DC -- we were comparing it to the VA and MD suburbs, say Annandale or Silver Spring.
If you know where Stanton Park actually is, you would know that there is no public housing, few apartments and a lot of residents who make a lot of money, so the overall area is pretty darn wealthy.
Stanton Park is zoned for Peabody/Watkins, what does it have to do with LT?
Anonymous
07/15/2014 16:45
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The median income for Stanton Park in 2013 is $104,759 and the median home value is $808K. All that to say, we deserve to have a fine DCPS in our neighborhood.
Because rich people *deserve* better schools than poor people!
^^^ Loser.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 16:35
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The median income for Stanton Park in 2013 is $104,759 and the median home value is $808K. All that to say, we deserve to have a fine DCPS in our neighborhood.
Because rich people *deserve* better schools than poor people!
That's not what PP was saying. PP was replying to another poster blaming DCPS' poor schools compared to suburbs on lower salaries, and PP was pointing out that the salaries in Stanton Park were similar to suburban salaries.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 16:31
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:The median income for Stanton Park in 2013 is $104,759 and the median home value is $808K. All that to say, we deserve to have a fine DCPS in our neighborhood.
Because rich people *deserve* better schools than poor people!
Anonymous
07/15/2014 16:01
Subject: Re:Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:[
Even if DCPS and Charters were to launch G&T programs here, imagine the weeping and gnashing of teeth when parents find out their kid didn't make the cut.
Bingo!! You nailed it.
Yes, there would be some angst, but not enough to sink the programs. Most parents would accept that everybody can't make the traveling baseball team, gets to play first violin, gets the lead part in every play auditioned for, or gets picked for every GT class. In the burbs, kids can try to test into GT classes at least once a year. What happens is that parents with kids who seem likely to benefit channel their energy into making sure that their kids are prepped for the tests. How horrible is that?
I don't hear parents complaining that their kid couldn't test into 6th grade algebra at BASIS. Setting high standards for kids who can meet them isn't the problem here.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 15:53
Subject: Re:Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
+1000.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 15:52
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:The median income for Stanton Park in 2013 is $104,759 and the median home value is $808K. All that to say, we deserve to have a fine DCPS in our neighborhood.
Maybe Stanton Park residents can band together and fill Van Ness Elementary School with kids from High-SES status families...
Anonymous
07/15/2014 15:47
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
The median income for Stanton Park in 2013 is $104,759 and the median home value is $808K. All that to say, we deserve to have a fine DCPS in our neighborhood.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 15:40
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Spring Valley is in DC -- we were comparing it to the VA and MD suburbs, say Annandale or Silver Spring.
If you know where Stanton Park actually is, you would know that there is no public housing, few apartments and a lot of residents who make a lot of money, so the overall area is pretty darn wealthy.
If you know where Stanton Park actually is, you would know that there is no public housing, few apartments and a lot of residents who make a lot of money, so the overall area is pretty darn wealthy.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 15:38
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I posted this before in the thread about G&T/pull-outs, but here goes: If, based on what you see happening in your own child's actual classroom, you think your kid would be best served by pull-outs, that's one thing.
It's completely different, in my view, to use the idea of G&T/pull-outs as a litmus test for whether or not a principal supports IB/high-SES kids (excuse me, I mean advanced learners).
G&T/pull-outs are one way to manage kids with diverse abilities, but they are not the only way. If a principal says her staff is able to differentiate successfully, and if you have zero evidence to the contrary (because I don't think anyone has posted here claiming their child in the upper grades at LT was not educated appropriately -- the examples of failed differentiation I've seen cited on DCUM seem to be from Watkins or other schools), and if the DC-CAS scores back up the principal's claim, then why do people (many of whose kids are still in ECE!) still keep insisting G&T/pullouts are the only acceptable option?
You are asking this in all seriousness when the answer is as plain as day?
If G&T/pull-outs aren't necessary, and advanced ES students can be consistently challenged without them, why do the higher-performing school districts in the DC suburbs bother to committ staff resources to them? The mere existence of G&T and pullouts speaks volumes about the orientation of the school district and school itself. The principal can say whatever she likes without changng the fact that many of our community's best-educated and most dynamic families still vote with their feet for lack of challenge in DC public schools, taking their tax dollars and civic involvement to the burbs. Who benefits?
Go visit Two Rivers, where there are no real pullout groups as a matter of policy, and ask teachers how the K FARMs rate compares to the 5th grade FARMs rate. The school loses two thirds of its middle-class families along the way and has since it was founded. You're calling such attrition zero evidence to the contrary?
That's evidence affluent parents want them; that's not evidence they're necessary for effective teaching.
Those same affluent districts have better results than DCPS. Also, shouldn't DCPS try to serve the needs of the families that send their kids to DCPS schools?
The G&T programs allow our suburban neighbors to highlight their best and the brightest. Then, everyone points to their G&T programs and the same handful of magnet schools and assert that the suburban districts get "better results." But it's not an apples to apples comparison. You can't even compare our magnet schools to their magnet schools because socioeconomically, DC is completely different and that difference skews the reality of what's happening on the ground and the perception in people's minds.
I don't think less than 50% of kids in the suburbs are at the 16th percentile on the SAT or higher.
You cannot compare a city (especially a geographically small one like DC) to a suburb. The demographics are vastly different. The median income for a household in Fairfax county in 2007 was $102,460 and the median income for a family was $120,804. In DC, almost 20% live below the poverty line. Socio economics matter.
Anonymous
07/15/2014 15:29
Subject: Ludlow-Taylor getting a new a new Principal
Anonymous wrote:The Stanton Park neighborhood is wealthier and the housing is more expensive than many of the VA and MD suburbs.
It also has many, many poor residents that the VA and MD suburbs do not have to factor into the equation. The housing prices rose in the last five years. The neighborhood is gentrifying but let's be real, Stanton Pk is NOT Spring Valley.