Anonymous
Post 04/08/2014 12:22     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that many public school critics wanted to see more rigor in the curriculum but now that schools have adopted a more rigorous curriculum parents are freaking out.


I think most of the outrage comes from two distinct camps:

1.) teachers union folks who don't want to have to change anything or be held accountable to any new standard and/or befuddled concern about "privatization of schools"
2.) befuddled conservatives who have been misled into believing this is "ObamaSchools"

Ironic that they are now working together. Though I don't think they realize it.


I don't think that this is an accurate description. The outrage from the left doesn't come specifically from the teachers' unions; it comes from people who oppose corporations getting involved in public education (which includes standardized testing, for-profit charter schools, value-added evaluation systems, and so on), as well as people who believe that there shouldn't be any standards or requirements or homework or testing. And, really, the corporatization of public education preceded the Common Core, and making the Common Core go away won't make the corporatization go away.


If they are upset about corporations getting involved in public education then where have they been for the last 75 years given corporations have driven textbooks and curricula? They have been there all along.

Where have they been all this time when the biggest racket has been in massive expenditures in private sector contracts for school buildings, maintenance contracts, et cetera? I'm not sure I buy this sudden outrage.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2014 12:19     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
)Why not addition? Because you're not adding, you're taking away


You don't find that a little insulting? Dumb question.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2014 11:30     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that many public school critics wanted to see more rigor in the curriculum but now that schools have adopted a more rigorous curriculum parents are freaking out.


I think most of the outrage comes from two distinct camps:

1.) teachers union folks who don't want to have to change anything or be held accountable to any new standard and/or befuddled concern about "privatization of schools"
2.) befuddled conservatives who have been misled into believing this is "ObamaSchools"

Ironic that they are now working together. Though I don't think they realize it.


I don't think that this is an accurate description. The outrage from the left doesn't come specifically from the teachers' unions; it comes from people who oppose corporations getting involved in public education (which includes standardized testing, for-profit charter schools, value-added evaluation systems, and so on), as well as people who believe that there shouldn't be any standards or requirements or homework or testing. And, really, the corporatization of public education preceded the Common Core, and making the Common Core go away won't make the corporatization go away.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2014 07:56     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that many public school critics wanted to see more rigor in the curriculum but now that schools have adopted a more rigorous curriculum parents are freaking out.


I think most of the outrage comes from two distinct camps:

1.) teachers union folks who don't want to have to change anything or be held accountable to any new standard and/or befuddled concern about "privatization of schools"
2.) befuddled conservatives who have been misled into believing this is "ObamaSchools"

Ironic that they are now working together. Though I don't think they realize it.


LOL, I agree, and the anti-common core folks are just as difficult to reason with as the anti-vaccine folks. The same tired arguments repeated again and again even after being debunked.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2014 07:46     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that many public school critics wanted to see more rigor in the curriculum but now that schools have adopted a more rigorous curriculum parents are freaking out.


I think most of the outrage comes from two distinct camps:

1.) teachers union folks who don't want to have to change anything or be held accountable to any new standard and/or befuddled concern about "privatization of schools"
2.) befuddled conservatives who have been misled into believing this is "ObamaSchools"

Ironic that they are now working together. Though I don't think they realize it.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 22:34     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Seems to me that many public school critics wanted to see more rigor in the curriculum but now that schools have adopted a more rigorous curriculum parents are freaking out.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 21:12     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Ok, I went to "Math Practices". This is what it says:

Mathematical Practices
1)Make sense of problems and persevere in solving them.
2)Reason abstractly and quantitatively.
3)Construct viable arguments and critique the reasoning of others.
4)Model with mathematics.
5)Use appropriate tools strategically.
6)Attend to precision.
7)Look for and make use of structure.
8)Look for and express regularity in repeated reasoning.

Which parts of this illustrate explaining in detail in abstract terms...


2, 3, and 8.
Just ask my eight year old.


2)Priya found two rocks. Then she found three more rocks. Write an equation for how many rocks she has now. Answer: 2+3=5.

3)a)If you had two cookies, and then you ate one, which operation should you use to describe this? Answer: Subtraction.
b)Why not addition? Because you're not adding, you're taking away.

8)What comes next in the pattern? asdfasdfasd_

Do you think that your eight-year-old would be able to solve these problems?

As the PP said, no Wittgenstein hat required here.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 21:07     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Have you not seen the materials that have been developed by the publishing companies?
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 20:32     Subject: Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Oh, fer gawd's sake.

2, 3 and 8 really just speak to the basics of methodology, algorithms and problem solving. They aren't asking 8 year olds to put their Wittgenstein hat on for a friggin' metaphysical discourse on the nature of the universe.

It's simply about something other than just pulling a number out of your butt and not being able to explain how you got there.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 20:11     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which math standards, specifically, require "explaining in great detail in abstract terms at young ages"? Please link to at least one or two specific math standards.

(And as for the PARCC tests -- you seem to think you have a crystal ball. I think you have a Magic 8 Ball.)



Different poster, but on the issue of explaining in detail in abstrict terms, scroll down to "Math Practices".
http://www.corestandards.org/Math/Content/3/introduction/

Since you probably work for some core-related entity, no doubt ths language will be expunged/revised by noon.


Ok, I went to "Math Practices". This is what it says:

Mathematical Practices
1)Make sense of problems and persevere in solving them.
2)Reason abstractly and quantitatively.
3)Construct viable arguments and critique the reasoning of others.
4)Model with mathematics.
5)Use appropriate tools strategically.
6)Attend to precision.
7)Look for and make use of structure.
8)Look for and express regularity in repeated reasoning.

Which parts of this illustrate explaining in detail in abstract terms...

2, 3, and 8.
Just ask my eight year old.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 19:43     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:
If you object to tying teacher evaluations to student achievement, then that's what you should be objecting to.
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I object to judging teacher by standardized tests. That is what the grants from Race to the Top will lead to. It won't work.


That's fine. My point is that that's not an objection to the Common Core standards. It's an objection to judging teachers by standardized tests, which will happen with or without the Common Core.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 19:35     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
If you object to tying teacher evaluations to student achievement, then that's what you should be objecting to.
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I object to judging teacher by standardized tests. That is what the grants from Race to the Top will lead to. It won't work.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 19:22     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
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Nobody is disputing that Arne Duncan said that teacher evaluations should be tied to student achievement, or that one of the ways of measuring student achievement will be performance on standardized tests. The question is HOW this will happen. Your claim is that the standard will be: "If your students pass the test, you pass. If your students fail the test, you fail." Please find me one actual, sincere proposal for a teacher evaluation system like that.


I never said that, but when 50% of your evaluation is based on achievement, you could make that assumption. I haven't taught in years, but I see the pitfalls. Teachers don't deserve this.


You certainly could assume that. But you would be wrong.

What's more, it is possible to tie teacher evaluations to student achievement even without the Common Core. Indeed, DCPS has been doing exactly that since 2009:

http://www.dc.gov/DCPS/In+the+Classroom/Ensuring+Teacher+Success/IMPACT+%28Performance+Assessment%29/Value-Added#1

And there is nothing about the Common Core standards that requires teacher evaluations to be tied to student achievement.

If you object to tying teacher evaluations to student achievement, then that's what you should be objecting to.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 19:16     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Nobody is disputing that Arne Duncan said that teacher evaluations should be tied to student achievement, or that one of the ways of measuring student achievement will be performance on standardized tests. The question is HOW this will happen. Your claim is that the standard will be: "If your students pass the test, you pass. If your students fail the test, you fail." Please find me one actual, sincere proposal for a teacher evaluation system like that.

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I never said that, but when 50% of your evaluation is based on achievement, you could make that assumption. I haven't taught in years, but I see the pitfalls. Teachers don't deserve this.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2014 18:42     Subject: Re:Why are people so upset about Common Core?
Anonymous wrote:Suggest you read the booklet. Pay particular attention to pages 6 and 7. Look at the pie chart. 50% based on student achievement.


Yes, and?

Nobody is disputing that Arne Duncan said that teacher evaluations should be tied to student achievement, or that one of the ways of measuring student achievement will be performance on standardized tests. The question is HOW this will happen. Your claim is that the standard will be: "If your students pass the test, you pass. If your students fail the test, you fail." Please find me one actual, sincere proposal for a teacher evaluation system like that.