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Anonymous wrote:So much bitterness and jealousy on this thread. No one is forcing anyone to go to Disney. If you don’t want to go, don’t go! Problem solved. What exactly is your issue with other people taking a trip you don’t want to take? I’m not mad at people who like camping, something I have no desire to do. Why are you so mad?

The thread title is looking for explanations for vitriol!!!! RIF.

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Anonymous wrote:We are annual WDW visitors (with DVC). We started taking our kids there because it was an easy trip where kid behavior was tolerated, and as kids grew, they could enjoy some degree of independence. Some of the PPs are correct that the Disney Bounding adults are difficult. An example... we took our grandson to the MK Halloween Party in an adorable Donald Duck costume and he wanted to meet Donald, but the line was 1.5 hours long, with the vast majority being 20-somethings. If only Disney would reserve certain times for little kids or have multiples of some characters, etc. I don't want to deny them their fun, but their sheer numbers and passion/exuberance sometimes do make things hard for families.

That’s just corporate greed. Selling too many party tickets. The problem is Disney. Not the other people who paid the same thing to attend that you did. Your grandson is not more deserving of meeting Donald than a 20-something.

Disney is for anyone. It’s not “for kids.”

The difference is that a 3 year old's ability to wait in that line is a lot less than a 20-something's. Get it?

Does the 3yo even care about meeting characters? Or is it just the parents wanting the photo op.

Does a 3yo get anything at all out of a trip to Europe?

A 3yo doesn't get much out of ANY trip so no need to plan a trip specifically FOR the 3yo. The 3yo does not care about posing for a photo with Donald Duck and they also do not care about eating a stroopwafel in Leiden.

It was a great language immersion experience to have our 3 and 4 year olds meet relatives in a European country who didn’t speak English. We took them to a 3rd country as well and they were able to achieve better pronunciation than we could (and retained it)

What’s invalid about planning a trip that has these benefits?

And if the kid isn't going to remember it anyway, why spend the money on Disney. At young ages kids have just as much fun at a playground as they do a theme park.

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Anonymous wrote:We are annual WDW visitors (with DVC). We started taking our kids there because it was an easy trip where kid behavior was tolerated, and as kids grew, they could enjoy some degree of independence. Some of the PPs are correct that the Disney Bounding adults are difficult. An example... we took our grandson to the MK Halloween Party in an adorable Donald Duck costume and he wanted to meet Donald, but the line was 1.5 hours long, with the vast majority being 20-somethings. If only Disney would reserve certain times for little kids or have multiples of some characters, etc. I don't want to deny them their fun, but their sheer numbers and passion/exuberance sometimes do make things hard for families.

That’s just corporate greed. Selling too many party tickets. The problem is Disney. Not the other people who paid the same thing to attend that you did. Your grandson is not more deserving of meeting Donald than a 20-something.

Disney is for anyone. It’s not “for kids.”

The difference is that a 3 year old's ability to wait in that line is a lot less than a 20-something's. Get it?

Does the 3yo even care about meeting characters? Or is it just the parents wanting the photo op.

Does a 3yo get anything at all out of a trip to Europe?

A 3yo doesn't get much out of ANY trip so no need to plan a trip specifically FOR the 3yo. The 3yo does not care about posing for a photo with Donald Duck and they also do not care about eating a stroopwafel in Leiden.

It was a great language immersion experience to have our 3 and 4 year olds meet relatives in a European country who didn’t speak English. We took them to a 3rd country as well and they were able to achieve better pronunciation than we could (and retained it)

What’s invalid about planning a trip that has these benefits?

And if the kid isn't going to remember it anyway, why spend the money on Disney. At young ages kids have just as much fun at a playground as they do a theme park.

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Anonymous wrote:We are annual WDW visitors (with DVC). We started taking our kids there because it was an easy trip where kid behavior was tolerated, and as kids grew, they could enjoy some degree of independence. Some of the PPs are correct that the Disney Bounding adults are difficult. An example... we took our grandson to the MK Halloween Party in an adorable Donald Duck costume and he wanted to meet Donald, but the line was 1.5 hours long, with the vast majority being 20-somethings. If only Disney would reserve certain times for little kids or have multiples of some characters, etc. I don't want to deny them their fun, but their sheer numbers and passion/exuberance sometimes do make things hard for families.

That’s just corporate greed. Selling too many party tickets. The problem is Disney. Not the other people who paid the same thing to attend that you did. Your grandson is not more deserving of meeting Donald than a 20-something.

Disney is for anyone. It’s not “for kids.”

The difference is that a 3 year old's ability to wait in that line is a lot less than a 20-something's. Get it?

Does the 3yo even care about meeting characters? Or is it just the parents wanting the photo op.

Does a 3yo get anything at all out of a trip to Europe?

A 3yo doesn't get much out of ANY trip so no need to plan a trip specifically FOR the 3yo. The 3yo does not care about posing for a photo with Donald Duck and they also do not care about eating a stroopwafel in Leiden.

It was a great language immersion experience to have our 3 and 4 year olds meet relatives in a European country who didn’t speak English. We took them to a 3rd country as well and they were able to achieve better pronunciation than we could (and retained it)

What’s invalid about planning a trip that has these benefits?

Anonymous wrote:Because it's infantile.

Anonymous wrote:The time and money was going to be spent anyway so we could visit family. The claim was that there would no benefit to the young children from any trip, and I am providing a counter example. I saw the rapid acquisition of language skills during each trip and the increased enthusiasm for using the languages after the trip. So it is something that worked for us. I did not compare this with any other kind of trip.

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Anonymous wrote:We are annual WDW visitors (with DVC). We started taking our kids there because it was an easy trip where kid behavior was tolerated, and as kids grew, they could enjoy some degree of independence. Some of the PPs are correct that the Disney Bounding adults are difficult. An example... we took our grandson to the MK Halloween Party in an adorable Donald Duck costume and he wanted to meet Donald, but the line was 1.5 hours long, with the vast majority being 20-somethings. If only Disney would reserve certain times for little kids or have multiples of some characters, etc. I don't want to deny them their fun, but their sheer numbers and passion/exuberance sometimes do make things hard for families.

That’s just corporate greed. Selling too many party tickets. The problem is Disney. Not the other people who paid the same thing to attend that you did. Your grandson is not more deserving of meeting Donald than a 20-something.

Disney is for anyone. It’s not “for kids.”

The difference is that a 3 year old's ability to wait in that line is a lot less than a 20-something's. Get it?

Does the 3yo even care about meeting characters? Or is it just the parents wanting the photo op.

Does a 3yo get anything at all out of a trip to Europe?

A 3yo doesn't get much out of ANY trip so no need to plan a trip specifically FOR the 3yo. The 3yo does not care about posing for a photo with Donald Duck and they also do not care about eating a stroopwafel in Leiden.

It was a great language immersion experience to have our 3 and 4 year olds meet relatives in a European country who didn’t speak English. We took them to a 3rd country as well and they were able to achieve better pronunciation than we could (and retained it)

What’s invalid about planning a trip that has these benefits?

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Anonymous wrote:We are annual WDW visitors (with DVC). We started taking our kids there because it was an easy trip where kid behavior was tolerated, and as kids grew, they could enjoy some degree of independence. Some of the PPs are correct that the Disney Bounding adults are difficult. An example... we took our grandson to the MK Halloween Party in an adorable Donald Duck costume and he wanted to meet Donald, but the line was 1.5 hours long, with the vast majority being 20-somethings. If only Disney would reserve certain times for little kids or have multiples of some characters, etc. I don't want to deny them their fun, but their sheer numbers and passion/exuberance sometimes do make things hard for families.

That’s just corporate greed. Selling too many party tickets. The problem is Disney. Not the other people who paid the same thing to attend that you did. Your grandson is not more deserving of meeting Donald than a 20-something.

Disney is for anyone. It’s not “for kids.”

The difference is that a 3 year old's ability to wait in that line is a lot less than a 20-something's. Get it?

Does the 3yo even care about meeting characters? Or is it just the parents wanting the photo op.

Does a 3yo get anything at all out of a trip to Europe?

A 3yo doesn't get much out of ANY trip so no need to plan a trip specifically FOR the 3yo. The 3yo does not care about posing for a photo with Donald Duck and they also do not care about eating a stroopwafel in Leiden.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they could go anywhere in the world, assuming an adults only group, and yet they spend their hard earned vacation time and money in a surreal fantasy world designed for children. And don't forget the pandering to American consumerism.

But what’s it to you? No one is making you take part.

Oh we got grief from my in laws that we were depriving our children of the Disney experience. I told them we aren’t into that type of fantasy and consumerism. Didn’t realize I was a bad parent for not taking my kids to Disney even once.

I mean it’s super expensive so unless they’re willing to pay they can stfu. For my family of 5 it’s $900 a day just for tickets, then at $300-500 hotel. Of course you all need lightning lane passes too.

My broke bil and sil took their kids multiple times. Of course my nieces had no college funds…

A $4k Disney trip would not pay for college. Neither would multiple trips.

So they should spend thousands on vacations and leave my nieces to borrow 100% of the cost of college? Nah not very responsible. Behavior of consumers and people who cannot delay gratification.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they could go anywhere in the world, assuming an adults only group, and yet they spend their hard earned vacation time and money in a surreal fantasy world designed for children. And don't forget the pandering to American consumerism.

But what’s it to you? No one is making you take part.

Oh we got grief from my in laws that we were depriving our children of the Disney experience. I told them we aren’t into that type of fantasy and consumerism. Didn’t realize I was a bad parent for not taking my kids to Disney even once.

I mean it’s super expensive so unless they’re willing to pay they can stfu. For my family of 5 it’s $900 a day just for tickets, then at $300-500 hotel. Of course you all need lightning lane passes too.

My broke bil and sil took their kids multiple times. Of course my nieces had no college funds…

A $4k Disney trip would not pay for college. Neither would multiple trips.

Anonymous wrote:People who pay thousands of dollars over and over again for the same plastic, passive experience and call it “magical”.

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Anonymous wrote:We are annual WDW visitors (with DVC). We started taking our kids there because it was an easy trip where kid behavior was tolerated, and as kids grew, they could enjoy some degree of independence. Some of the PPs are correct that the Disney Bounding adults are difficult. An example... we took our grandson to the MK Halloween Party in an adorable Donald Duck costume and he wanted to meet Donald, but the line was 1.5 hours long, with the vast majority being 20-somethings. If only Disney would reserve certain times for little kids or have multiples of some characters, etc. I don't want to deny them their fun, but their sheer numbers and passion/exuberance sometimes do make things hard for families.

That’s just corporate greed. Selling too many party tickets. The problem is Disney. Not the other people who paid the same thing to attend that you did. Your grandson is not more deserving of meeting Donald than a 20-something.

Disney is for anyone. It’s not “for kids.”

The difference is that a 3 year old's ability to wait in that line is a lot less than a 20-something's. Get it?

Does the 3yo even care about meeting characters? Or is it just the parents wanting the photo op.

Does a 3yo get anything at all out of a trip to Europe?